Since there are...

[Maximus]

Racecars on the Dozen. How about the Grand Poobah opens this up to ALL makes of cars? I mean, why not? There wasnt even a full list last year, so whats the harm?:popcorn:


Discuss...

[Maximus]

Let me be the first to end the "This is what Vinny wanted" stuff...

http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?86277-FREE-ACKBAR&p=775177#post775177

As you can see, Vinny banned Mr Bailey, but someone brought him back. (Welcome back BTW Paul aka Ackbar)

[YouGotJunk]

Patiently waiting for Beefcake to flood this with tears...

[Maximus]

Patiently waiting for Beefcake to flood this with tears...

How can he? His Racecar is #1 from last year. Congrats BTW!

[IWRBB]

Leave it the way it is- full list or not. It'll be full soon enough.

[Maximus]

11.40? Why didnt you post? You would be #4.

[IWRBB]

That's not a recent time. I haven't had the car at the dragstrip in a few years now.

[SN95N/A]

I think this is a good idea

[Maximus]

That's not a recent time. I haven't had the car at the dragstrip in a few years now.

Ghey.:tongue2:

I wish I wouldve had a car to take the track. Well other than my 4 door kid hauler. I think the last one I had on the list, was a 13 second 85 4 eye. It didnt stay on the list too long. But it sure was fun.

[Maximus]

I think this is a good idea

It cant hurt seeing as the list is incomplete as is.

[k062693w]

I'm for it as long as we don't get a flood of new members with cars other than Mustangs ...
Maybe a rule along the lines of being an existing member when the rule changes ...
Just my $.02

[Maximus]

I'm for it as long as we don't get a flood of new members with cars other than Mustangs ...
Maybe a rule along the lines of being an existing member when the rule changes ...
Just my $.02

Ok.
But when do the New members get to post their time? Mustang owner or Non Mustang owner? I really dont see someone joning a forum just to post their time and hopefully getting a sticker.

[k062693w]

Ok.
But when do the New members get to post their time? Mustang owner or Non Mustang owner? I really dont see someone joning a forum just to post their time and hopefully getting a sticker.

NON Mustang members that join after should never be able to post a time IMO ...

Remember this is a Mustang site ...
Again just my opinion ...

[Maximus]

NON Mustang members that join after should never be able to post a time IMO ...

Remember this is a [b] QUIET [\b]Mustang site ...
Again just my opinion ...

Fixed. Just trying to liven up the joint.:)

[k062693w]

Fixed. Just trying to liven up the joint.:)

EXACTLY !!!
It could definitely use some action ...
I do agree with the "Race Cars" being allowed ...
If Beef allowed his race car to be #1 after all the lobbying he did against people he felt threatened his chance, Then he should be all for a rule change ... But I doubt it !!! :lol:

[Maximus]

EXACTLY !!!
It could definitely use some action ...
I do agree with the "Race Cars" being allowed ...
If Beef allowed his race car to be #1 after all the lobbying he did against people he felt threatened his chance, Then he should be all for a rule change ... But I doubt it !!! :lol:

Poor guy. The year he finally gets that #1. Its an incomplete list that pretty much just dried up and blew away. Did Dave even make stickers for them?

Racecars should have their own list, but you know how that Racecar-vs-Streetcar agruement will go. LoL!!

[k062693w]

Poor guy. The year he finally gets that #1. Its an incomplete list that pretty much just dried up and blew away. Did Dave even make stickers for them?

Racecars should have their own list, but you know how that Racecar-vs-Streetcar agruement will go. LoL!!

Yep ... LOL
But I'm betting most will agree that a competition Race Car with a Full Sponsor Wrap means "RACE CAR" !!!

[cstreu1026]

But it has AC and a couch and surround sound and hot tub and its a street car.

[k062693w]

But it has AC and a couch and surround sound and hot tub and its a street car.

Don't forget the GPS so he can find the end of the Dragstrip !!! :lol:

[SN95N/A]

I think if you can drive it to the track then it's good to go!

[draggin50]

I say open it up. What can it hurt? The list was dead last year and it could've been the quickest to date but most people felt that it was a joke anyways. And with the group of people here that have hit the midlife crisis and bought Vettes, they need a home too! Hahaha!

[Maximus]

I say open it up. What can it hurt? The list was dead last year and it could've been the quickest to date but most people felt that it was a joke anyways. And with the group of people here that have hit the midlife crisis and bought Vettes, they need a home too! Hahaha!

BOOM!! Head Shot!! LoL!

[USMCPONY]

I say open it up as long as they are a participating member.

[Carl]

I just wish I could get on the list, but alas, I'm stationed down here in Alabama. :(

[NXcoupe]

I say open it up. What can it hurt? The list was dead last year and it could've been the quickest to date but most people felt that it was a joke anyways. And with the group of people here that have hit the midlife crisis and bought Vettes, they need a home too! Hahaha!

What changed it? It's always been posting times for a sticker. I have discussed starting another list with anyone and everything allowed, but it's based on racing to advance, rather than just posting et's. Figured that would be welcomed as well as the current one is. IF one's a joke, they both will be.

[NXcoupe]

Racecars on the Dozen. How about the Grand Poobah opens this up to ALL makes of cars? I mean, why not? There wasnt even a full list last year, so whats the harm?:popcorn:


Discuss...
I think the dozen should stay a mustang list, but no reason we can't start an everyone dozen. I was under the impression Beef drove his car around, but I guess that's not correct any more? I know my car was on the list when it was a 'race car' but Vinny told me it was cool with him since it could be driven, and I did drive it from Dayton to TriState at the running of the dozen. I think you remember that, as you were there along with a lot of others. It was a great time. I agree that the list really shouldn't have all out, purpose built race cars on it. I don't monitor it as closely as I should I guess. Grand Poobah was a joke. lol. I had finally gotten admin privileges when I did that. Forgot about it I guess.

[SN95N/A]

If it's street driven it should be allowed on the list

[draggin50]

What changed it? It's always been posting times for a sticker. I have discussed starting another list with anyone and everything allowed, but it's based on racing to advance, rather than just posting et's. Figured that would be welcomed as well as the current one is. IF one's a joke, they both will be.

I think the past ownership and moderators is what pissed a lot of people off. Late 2013 early 2014 several threads/discussions were brought up about it. http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?86229-What-s-up-with-the-list

I think since people that are overlooking the sight now and ownership that it will change directions and start making a comeback. We have seen the interest in the SBZ cruises and so on.

[2Fast4You]

Craig just has a trick up his sleeve, come on now Craig, what is it?

[mustangboy]

Part of what Craig has up his sleeve is sitting in my garage freshly coated just waiting to be picked up.

[Ackbar00]

Would these cars have to go to an "offical" SBZ cruise to get on the list. I feel that is important....

[Maximus]

Craig just has a trick up his sleeve, come on now Craig, what is it?


Part of what Craig has up his sleeve is sitting in my garage freshly coated just waiting to be picked up.

Nothing. I was already on the list. :)

I was just on a Sweet Tea high and trying to stir the pot on this quiet web board. :flipoff:

[Maximus]

Would these cars have to go to an "offical" SBZ cruise to get on the list. I feel that is important....

Now this guy can stir a web board! Get em Paul!!:popcorn:

[CNTLOSE]

Not that I have ever been on the list and I have sold every car that might have had a shot at the bottom of the list, I like Mike's idea of two lists. Keep one for just the Mustangs and one for established members with whatever they have. I also like the idea that it must be a street car and complete a cruise.

Again I know I have never made an effort to get on the list, but that will hopefully change soon with my "new" Mustang being delivered shortly.

[bbfstanger]

keep it a mustang list or atleast ford powered vehicles.
this aint no chebbie site!
sponsored or company backed cars should be on a separate list.
just my .02

[draggin50]

Why not go back to having the "other list" again? I think the last time it was on here was 2011.

[k062693w]

Why not go back to having the "other list" again? I think the last time it was on here was 2011.

Ding Ding Ding !!! We have a Wiener !!!

Sorry I mean Winner !!! :lol:

[Maximus]

Why not go back to having the "other list" again? I think the last time it was on here was 2011.


Ding Ding Ding !!! We have a Wiener !!!

Sorry I mean Winner !!! :lol:

Who wants to be on the "Other" list when they can be on the "Dirty Dozen" list? Doesnt seem as cool now does it?

[USMCPONY]

Maybe start a Challengers list of non ford vehicles. Keep the mustang owners on their toes lol.

[k062693w]

Who wants to be on the "Other" list when they can be on the "Dirty Dozen" list? Doesnt seem as cool now does it?

Maybe call it the Dirty Dother ???
Or the Dother Dozen ???
And besides, If they are driving something other than a Mustang they aren't as Cool ... Now are they ??? LOL

[Maximus]

Maybe call it the Dirty Dother ???
Or the Dother Dozen ???
And besides, If they are driving something other than a Mustang they aren't as Cool ... Now are they ??? LOL

How can one drive a car if its on jackstands? :tongue2:

[draggin50]

Maybe "Dirty Whore" list!!!

[k062693w]

How can one drive a car if its on jackstands? :tongue2:

It's on the ground ... The New Motor is on a stand though !!! :bigthumb

And I have a GREAT Imagination !!! Vroom Vroom :tongue2:

[Maximus]

Maybe "Dirty Whore" list!!!

Filthy Fucks. :lol:

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It's on the ground ... The New Motor is on a stand though !!! :bigthumb

And I have a GREAT Imagination !!! Vroom Vroom :tongue2:

So in the meantime, you arent cool?:D

[k062693w]

Filthy Fucks. :lol:

Maybe the Dirty Dumbass list ??? :lol:

[k062693w]

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So in the meantime, you arent cool?:D

Never was ... Welcome to the Club !!! ;)

[Maximus]

Never was ... Welcome to the Club !!! ;)

Thanks!:cheers:

[k062693w]

Thanks!:cheers:

We're all just Brothers from other Mothers !!! :bigthumb

I'm still voting for the Dirty Dumbass list !!!

[NXcoupe]

Man I've missed this shit. lol. Thanks Craig! So we need a cool name for the any car list, that has the same ring to it as the dirty dozen.

[NXcoupe]

I think the past ownership and moderators is what pissed a lot of people off. Late 2013 early 2014 several threads/discussions were brought up about it. http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?86229-What-s-up-with-the-list

I think since people that are overlooking the sight now and ownership that it will change directions and start making a comeback. We have seen the interest in the SBZ cruises and so on.
Ok, I get what you're saying. Hopefully Brian, hopefully we can get this back to where it was before. I think since 08, most have given up their fun toys to just keep a roof over their family's heads. I know I'm chompin at the bit to get back out to the track. Engine is going together now, blower's been mocked up, etc. Hope to make a dent in the list this year.

[1baddlx]

Ok, I get what you're saying. Hopefully Brian, hopefully we can get this back to where it was before. I think since 08, most have given up their fun toys to just keep a roof over their family's heads. I know I'm chompin at the bit to get back out to the track. Engine is going together now, blower's been mocked up, etc. Hope to make a dent in the list this year.

Who did you get to build your engine?

[draggin50]

Ok, I get what you're saying. Hopefully Brian, hopefully we can get this back to where it was before. I think since 08, most have given up their fun toys to just keep a roof over their family's heads. I know I'm chompin at the bit to get back out to the track. Engine is going together now, blower's been mocked up, etc. Hope to make a dent in the list this year.

It seems that the site is getting more interest. With track days, cruise ins, and general hanging out, I think it will come around. Same with the dozen list. When those that run the site actually show some interest, creating things to do, people will enjoy it more and be more willing to jump in and get things going. I think it will be a good year. Hope to see you out at the track and at the cruises. I know I'm ready to hang out and talk cars and make some passes!

[chris91]

I second the Filthy Fucks list. Hahaha

[k062693w]

Dirty Dumbass list does it for me, And keeps the Dirty Dozen theme !!! :lol:

[USMCPONY]

How about the Dirtier Dozen?

[draggin50]

Sloppy Dozen!!!

[k062693w]

Sloppy Seconds !!!

[1baddlx]

The dozen outlaws

[Crucial]

dont have to have mustang to be a Stangbanerz member, shouldnt have to have a mustang to be on the dirty dozen ... just my opinion


(btw i've never owned a mustang lol)

[k062693w]

How about the Dirty Whores !!!

[draggin50]

Maybe "Dirty Whore" list!!!


How about the Dirty Whores !!!

See above! Already mentioned it!!!

[2Fast4You]

How about The Forgettable Dozen? Lol

[k062693w]

See above! Already mentioned it!!!

Sorry must have missed it !!! :doh:

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How about The Forgettable Dozen? Lol

I like That too !!! :lol:

[draggin50]

Sorry must have missed it !!! :doh:

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Must be cause your getting old! Next thing you know, you'll buy a vette and join the Dirty Whores!!!

[k062693w]

Must be cause your getting old! Next thing you know, you'll buy a vette and join the Dirty Whores!!!

Not until the kids graduate !!!
Can't justify a two seater right now ...
But I've been called a Dirty Whore before ... Or maybe I called someone that !!! LMFAO

[draggin50]

Haha!!! Maybe both!!!

[Rick93coupe]

I will be posting times from KK this yr, I don't think I'll make it into the top 5 unless I put big tires under it. =)

[SN95N/A]

I have a feeling the second list going to be faster than the 1st one..

[draggin50]

No way!!! Or atleast I hope not!!

[NXcoupe]

Who did you get to build your engine?

I'm building the coyote for our car. I'm also building the one for my turbo car, and for quite a few other people as well.

[NXcoupe]

I like the dirtier dozen so far.

[mustang_gt88]

I agree Dirtier Dozen, because there are dirty Chevy lovers lol

[SN95N/A]

I don't have a car for this but I'm curious does it have to be ford car(mustang) and ford powered? To be on the dirty dozen?

[Maximus]

I don't have a car for this but I'm curious does it have to be ford car(mustang) and ford powered? To be on the dirty dozen?

I had to go back and look....

-A Ford-powered Mustang/Capri with insurance, tags and registration matching the car. Pump gas, race gas, slicks, radials, whatever... But exhaust must run through a muffler of some sort. Turbos do NOT count as mufflers.

[SN95N/A]

Damn that's no fun I'm out I have no muffler..carry on

[NXcoupe]

I had to go back and look....

-A Ford-powered Mustang/Capri with insurance, tags and registration matching the car. Pump gas, race gas, slicks, radials, whatever... But exhaust must run through a muffler of some sort. Turbos do NOT count as mufflers.
Maybe we should modify that and say a turbo does function as a muffler as lot of guys are running a straight pipe out after the downpipe with no muffler. I've seen this quite a few times now on my dyno. What do you think?

[SN95N/A]

He'll might as well just allow downpipes at that point I'd think

[Maximus]

Maybe we should modify that and say a turbo does function as a muffler as lot of guys are running a straight pipe out after the downpipe with no muffler. I've seen this quite a few times now on my dyno. What do you think?


He'll might as well just allow downpipes at that point I'd think

Ram Horns, No mufflers, 5 gal fuel tanks...like I said, there are cool race cars on here now, so why not?:)

[draggin50]

I say open it up for turbo and no muffler.

[SN95N/A]

I'm in

[1baddlx]

I'm building the coyote for our car. I'm also building the one for my turbo car, and for quite a few other people as well.

That's scary lol

[NXcoupe]

That's scary lol

It is? What's your point?

[NXcoupe]

Ram Horns, No mufflers, 5 gal fuel tanks...like I said, there are cool race cars on here now, so why not?:)

I see what you mean. Guess we will leave it as is then. Street cars as was described in the beginning. Maybe other list can be whatever you run?

[k062693w]

How about the Dirty Filthy Fucking Whore list ???

[draggin50]

There ya go!!!

[k062693w]

There ya go!!!

Just imagine the stickers !!!

#1 DFFW !!!

[USMCPONY]

I think the rules should be the same for both lists. Maybe give a plaque with what place they got in the dozen. Owner pays for the plaque if they want one. Might bring in some interest.

[leroy93lx]

At the end of the season have the top six of each list have a shootout. $100 buy in , winner take all and bragging rights

[bbfstanger]

How about the Dirty Filthy Fucking Whore list ???

needs a few more adjectives. but its getting there!!!

[k062693w]

needs a few more adjectives. but its getting there!!!

Dirty Filthy Stinking Rat Faced Elephant Fucking Slap Jawed Cross Eyed Gutter Slut Nasty Ass Whore List ...

Better ??? LOL

[bbfstanger]

there we have it! lol!

[IWRBB]

Dirty Filthy Stinking Rat Faced Elephant Fucking Slack Jawed Cross Eyed Mouth Breathing Gutter Slut Nasty Ass Whore List ...

DFSRFEFSJCEMBGSNAW List for short.

[k062693w]

Dirty Filthy Stinking Rat Faced Elephant Fucking Slack Jawed Cross Eyed Mouth Breathing Gutter Slut Nasty Ass Whore List ...

DFSRFEFSJCEMBGSNAW List for short.

SLAP Because you Slap a Whore, Or Smack a Ho if you prefer !!! LOL
And most Whores can't be mouth breathers with their mouth full !!!

[exrider416]

I'm up for a "other" list. I was on the last full list with my mustang, which is now gone. I'd be down to see how the 4cyl competes on the list.

[Kwik92GT]

Want to start getting things back on track for the Dirty Dozen? How about we get rid of the rule where if you change something on your car or your car breaks your off the list? All it does is promote mediocrity. It serves no real practical purpose. A guy can go out and run xx.xx, gets a spot on The Dozen, he changes his combo to see what else he can squeeze out of it or whatver, and it's like the car never ran the previous number. He's just off. Break an axle? Oh well, fuck you, your off the list. Oh, you changed your throttle body? Your off. NO WHERE for a year long type list do you see anything like this rule. It's stupid. Imagine if the NMRA, EOS, NHRA, etc. adopted this practice, it'd be a joke. The original (misinterpreted by some here) rule was to keep non-local ONE POST WONDERS from possibly taking an local ACTIVE members spot on the list. Not the supposed one hit wonder some of you seem so worried about. You need to reward the guy who's willing to go out there and lay it all on the line, not tell him he better take it easy or else. Have the "other" list again for those without 'stangs/Capris and let them have at it there. The more simple you keep this the better it will be. My $.05.

[redfirepearlgt]

Dirty Filthy Stinking Rat Faced Elephant Fucking Slack Jawed Cross Eyed Mouth Breathing Gutter Slut Nasty Ass Whore List ...

DFSRFEFSJCEMBGSNAW List for short.

You forgot bow legged.

[NXcoupe]

Want to start getting things back on track for the Dirty Dozen? How about we get rid of the rule where if you change something on your car or your car breaks your off the list? All it does is promote mediocrity. It serves no real practical purpose. A guy can go out and run xx.xx, gets a spot on The Dozen, he changes his combo to see what else he can squeeze out of it or whatver, and it's like the car never ran the previous number. He's just off. Break an axle? Oh well, fuck you, your off the list. Oh, you changed your throttle body? Your off. NO WHERE for a year long type list do you see anything like this rule. It's stupid. Imagine if the NMRA, EOS, NHRA, etc. adopted this practice, it'd be a joke. The original (misinterpreted by some here) rule was to keep non-local ONE POST WONDERS from possibly taking an local ACTIVE members spot on the list. Not the supposed one hit wonder some of you seem so worried about. You need to reward the guy who's willing to go out there and lay it all on the line, not tell him he better take it easy or else. Have the "other" list again for those without 'stangs/Capris and let them have at it there. The more simple you keep this the better it will be. My $.05.
The rule as I understood it was to keep guys from making passes and then their car is broke for the rest of the season and can't back up their pass. I always thought it was kind of silly since we are racing times, not cars. Most folks never mentioned their stuff was broken tho, you and I both know that happened a lot back in the day.
Here's a for instance, if people can actually discuss this, is a guy comes out opening day of kk or edgewater, and runs a 9.03, then he blows his engine up next pass. He never gets the car fixed the rest of the season, what then? I'm asking not telling here, just something to discuss.
I think you make a valid point, but think we should knock it around before any changes are made, otherwise, people will have yet another excuse for not wanting to race for the list.....

[Rick93coupe]

In that scenario the guy that broke wouldn't have the car at any get togethers or the running of the dozen, which would sort itself out. IMO

[Maximus]

Want to start getting things back on track for the Dirty Dozen? How about we get rid of the rule where if you change something on your car or your car breaks your off the list? All it does is promote mediocrity. It serves no real practical purpose. A guy can go out and run xx.xx, gets a spot on The Dozen, he changes his combo to see what else he can squeeze out of it or whatver, and it's like the car never ran the previous number. He's just off. Break an axle? Oh well, fuck you, your off the list. Oh, you changed your throttle body? Your off. NO WHERE for a year long type list do you see anything like this rule. It's stupid. Imagine if the NMRA, EOS, NHRA, etc. adopted this practice, it'd be a joke. The original (misinterpreted by some here) rule was to keep non-local ONE POST WONDERS from possibly taking an local ACTIVE members spot on the list. Not the supposed one hit wonder some of you seem so worried about. You need to reward the guy who's willing to go out there and lay it all on the line, not tell him he better take it easy or else. Have the "other" list again for those without 'stangs/Capris and let them have at it there. The more simple you keep this the better it will be. My $.05.


The rule as I understood it was to keep guys from making passes and then their car is broke for the rest of the season and can't back up their pass. I always thought it was kind of silly since we are racing times, not cars. Most folks never mentioned their stuff was broken tho, you and I both know that happened a lot back in the day.
Here's a for instance, if people can actually discuss this, is a guy comes out opening day of kk or edgewater, and runs a 9.03, then he blows his engine up next pass. He never gets the car fixed the rest of the season, what then? I'm asking not telling here, just something to discuss.
I think you make a valid point, but think we should knock it around before any changes are made, otherwise, people will have yet another excuse for not wanting to race for the list.....

I thought this was addressed a couple years ago?? Breaking an axle, putting a new axle back in is fine. Popping a DS yoke then fixing that yoke is no big deal. Having a 400+ CI, running low 9s, then that engine gets fried and its replaced by a 302 running 13s isnt right. Turning your stock block 3-- up to 100lbs of boost, making a one hit then turning it back down...actually hurts the guy out their busting their ass scratching, clawing, earning every 10th of a second with their combination.



In that scenario the guy that broke wouldn't have the car at any get togethers or the running of the dozen, which would sort itself out. IMO

This is why I did my Street Car Shootout. I could care less what you are running, as long as it made the drive from point X to the track, busted off some numbers, stayed together, then it earned a spot. That always kept things simple. AND, it was cool as hell as it was a rolling car show with all kinds of different car makes & models.

[Kwik92GT]

I thought this was addressed a couple years ago?? Breaking an axle, putting a new axle back in is fine. Popping a DS yoke then fixing that yoke is no big deal. Having a 400+ CI, running low 9s, then that engine gets fried and its replaced by a 302 running 13s isnt right. [COLOR="#0000FF"]Turning your stock block 3-- up to 100lbs of boost, making a one hit then turning it back down...actually hurts the guy out their busting their ass scratching, clawing, earning every 10th of a second with their combination.[/COLOR}

Why would this not be right? The car ran the number, he met all the other "criteria" for being allowed on the list, his car broke, So what? The car ran the number.

How about, The guy who has busted his ass all year, breaks in October after running all summer like you mentioned, so now you're going to tell him he can't be on the list? How does that help him or the list itself?? It doesn't.

This is why I did my Street Car Shootout. I could care less what you are running, as long as it made the drive from point X to the track, busted off some numbers, stayed together, then it earned a spot. That always kept things simple. AND, it was cool as hell as it was a rolling car show with all kinds of different car makes & models.

And that's what I've always liked about your Shootouts. This is a season long list, it should be kept simple also. The one hit wonders that some seem so worried about, where are they? The list should be about the baddest street cars on the board, no matter how they get it done. "Toning the list down" so to speak, to supposedly keep the dreaded one hit wonder from taking a spot has done nothing but water the list down, Hell, we can't even get a full list anymore.

How about keeping the rules really simple similar to your shootout? Having a person who is in control of the list to keep it up to date, etc., and if there is a question at the end of the season about the validity of someone's spot, The Dozen Keeper and mods/power that be here, decide on what to do with that particular car/spot?

[2Fast4You]

Use the same rules that apply to the Street Outlaws series, is that simple enough?

[Rich]

I said years ago that the "Dirty Dozen" should be an event or series of events. Lets pick 2 or 3 weekends throughout the season, (spring, summer, and fall) and your "Dozen time" comes from these outings. Craig's street car shootout could be one of the events. Just image how cool it would be to have 30+ cars showing up at Edgewater on a nice cool fall day, all trying to get a time to make it onto the Dozen!

[Maximus]

And that's what I've always liked about your Shootouts. This is a season long list, it should be kept simple also. The one hit wonders that some seem so worried about, where are they? The list should be about the baddest street cars on the board, no matter how they get it done. "Toning the list down" so to speak, to supposedly keep the dreaded one hit wonder from taking a spot has done nothing but water the list down, Hell, we can't even get a full list anymore.

How about keeping the rules really simple similar to your shootout? Having a person who is in control of the list to keep it up to date, etc., and if there is a question at the end of the season about the validity of someone's spot, The Dozen Keeper and mods/power that be here, decide on what to do with that particular car/spot?

SHIT! That would be a SHIT STORM as the Mods in here are already catching hell! LoL!!

[Maximus]

Use the same rules that apply to the Street Outlaws series, is that simple enough?

That would be cool and simple.

[Kwik92GT]

SHIT! That would be a SHIT STORM as the Mods in here are already catching hell! LoL!!

Probably LOL

[Kwik92GT]

I said years ago that the "Dirty Dozen" should be an event or series of events. Lets pick 2 or 3 weekends throughout the season, (spring, summer, and fall) and your "Dozen time" comes from these outings. Craig's street car shootout could be one of the events. Just image how cool it would be to have 30+ cars showing up at Edgewater on a nice cool fall day, all trying to get a time to make it onto the Dozen!

I could see adding something like that to it. Keep ideas coming. That's what discussions are for, saying that before someone complains this is a bitch session. It's not, for me anyway. I would just like to see The Dozen return to at least a resemblance of what it once was, what's been happening I think most of us could agree IS NOT working.

[Kwik92GT]

Use the same rules that apply to the Street Outlaws series, is that simple enough?

Challenge system? That could definitely stir things up.

[Rick93coupe]

Yup

[Maximus]

I could see adding something like that to it. Keep ideas coming. That's what discussions are for, saying that before someone complains this is a bitch session. It's not, for me anyway. I would just like to see The Dozen return to at least a resemblance of what it once was, what's been happening I think most of us could agree IS NOT working.


Truth.


Challenge system? That could definitely stir things up.

I see a lot of butt hurt on this on....:lol:

[draggin50]

I liked the Street Car Shoot Outs! Wish they would continue!!!

In the past people have sold their cars and remained on the list also. That pisses people off just as much as the one hit wonders. Judging from the past though, most people are pretty honest about breakage or changing combos. Hell everyone knows what everyone else is doing anyways!

[draggin50]

I said years ago that the "Dirty Dozen" should be an event or series of events. Lets pick 2 or 3 weekends throughout the season, (spring, summer, and fall) and your "Dozen time" comes from these outings. Craig's street car shootout could be one of the events. Just image how cool it would be to have 30+ cars showing up at Edgewater on a nice cool fall day, all trying to get a time to make it onto the Dozen!

I like this idea too.

[Black Horse]

2 events to get you on the list (any and all that participate - Mustangs only) - then 3 months to move up the list Street Outlaw style.

[Kwik92GT]

2 events to get you on the list (any and all that participate - Mustangs only) - then 3 months to move up the list Street Outlaw style.

Might be onto something there.

[draggin50]

Why can't we do more than a dozen? Us slow people feel left out! The schools do it with the kids in sports now a days! Don't want anyone feeling bad for not placing!

[Rick93coupe]

Why can't we do more than a dozen? Us slow people feel left out! The schools do it with the kids in sports now a days! Don't want anyone feeling bad for not placing!

We've seen your new car, stop tripping, lol

[1baddlx]

It is? What's your point?:squirt::squirt:

[draggin50]

We've seen your new car, stop tripping, lol

If all you fast cars post up, I'm in trouble!!! I can see an 8-9 second dozen!

[2Fast4You]

Brian, What would ever make you believe that this would be an 8-9 second field?

[maverick]

Yeah, everybody wins now days! :lol:
Why can't we do more than a dozen? Us slow people feel left out! The schools do it with the kids in sports now a days! Don't want anyone feeling bad for not placing!

[draggin50]

Brian, What would ever make you believe that this would be an 8-9 second field?

I think it could happen! There are a lot of fast cars on here.

[SN95N/A]

I doubt it will be a 8 sec. field and if it is there will be a lot of bitching about it

[draggin50]

I think there are plenty enough fast cars on here that it could be a 8 and 9 second list. Just have to get them to post up times, show up at the cruises, and hang out.

[k062693w]

I think there are plenty enough fast cars on here that it could be a 8 and 9 second list. Just have to get them to post up times, show up at the cruises, and hang out.

Yep !!!

I'm thinking about having a BIG Cookout Campout at my house once I have the rest of my parts rounded up, And then a bunch of you guys can come over and all jump in and get my SHIT Done !!!

And there's a Perfect, Nice, Flat, Wide and out here in the Sticks Stretch of Road for us to go out and do a little street play !!!

I'll even provide all the Beer and Beef you can handle !!!

[SN95N/A]

I'm not doubting the fact that there are plenty of fast cars on the site I know of alot of them im saying people will bitch about them being "street cars"

[draggin50]

As long as they participate in the cruises and hang outs, no one can bitch. At least that's my take on things.

[Kwik92GT]

If all you fast cars post up, I'm in trouble!!! I can see an 8-9 second dozen!

Top 5 I could possibly see being in the 9s or better but I just don't see it for the Dozen. If enough people post times this year I'm thinking the cut-off will be somewhere in the 11s. I would just like to see a complete list this year that more accurately portrays the level of cars I know we have.

[draggin50]

I'd say high 10's-low 11's easy. DTony's car will probably be ready, Noshot has the pace car back, and there are several others. Shayne's car should be making passes too. Hell I might get on it this year if so!!!

[bbfstanger]

it would be great to see everyone get there cars out.
a 10 sec min. list is not out of the question.

[Kwik92GT]

I'd say high 10's-low 11's easy. DTony's car will probably be ready, Noshot has the pace car back, and there are several others. Shayne's car should be making passes too. Hell I might get on it this year if so!!!

That will change before the end of the month let alone by end of season! :lol:

[draggin50]

That will change before the end of the month let alone by end of season! :lol:

Haha I know! I just hate to see it go again! That car is nasty!

[2Fast4You]

I'm glad to hear that he got that pace car back, it is a beautiful Stang. I do plan on making some passes this year along with some cruise ins as well Brian. I have high expectations for the car, a lot of time and energy has gone into it.

[NXcoupe]

Ok, here's the idea I posted in the mod section and then talked to quite a few people about in Feb of 14. I dropped the idea as I just didn't think it would fly, then low and behold I see folks mentioning it here. This will be for the Dirty Dozen Top 12 list, not the dirty dozen et list. So two lists. This list is any brand. Here goes:



Here's an idea I've been tossing around. I've pitched it to a few of you, and it was suggested I post it here so people could read it and chew on it, then make comments/suggestions.
I post this with one caveat. If you think it is shit, say it's shit. don't dance around the point, just toss it out there as this is where I want the discussion to start.

Here's the idea:
Just like the TV show Street Outlaws, we have a list. Ours is a dozen, so it's more than theirs, so more is better. That's my logic and I'm sticking to it.
I like how they have to climb their list, by racing the people above them, or by racing the bottom and working up. This is a point of discussion as I'm not so sold on that.
Here's how I've roughed it in so far.
1. there will be 3 events a year that you have to take your car to. It will not be a race event, it will be a cruise in type of get together and you bring your car. I'd like it to be dozen specific so we can park them all in a row. If someone makes other events and drives their car, cool.
2. Towards the end of the year, we will have a dirty dozen cruise. This will cement people on the list, and the list will just sort itself out but no others will be able to 'bump' someone off the list. We will meet, cruise together to a spot 20 miles or so away, and then cruise back. Cars can be towed to the cruise start, but cannot be trailered anywhere else on the trek. If you break on the cruise, you can redeem yourself by filming an hour long cruise around town in your car. Again, up for discussion.
3. The list will be as usual for the first three months of the season. Lets say March, April, then a date in May, it changes. Lets say May 21.
4. After May 21, the only way to get on the list, or to move up the list is to challenge the person above you to a race. You will have to arrange to meet within one week, at a test and tune or track rental or bracket night, etc, arrange with the track official to run one race between the two of you. Heads up or sportsman tree, whichever you both agree too. Video is a must, and witnesses as well. Whoever wins, regardless of et, either keeps their spot or moves to the next spot up. That means, you redlight, you have to call the guy out to get your spot back. Sound like a lot of racing, yes it does, but isn't that what this site is about?
5. End of the year, after the cruise, then we have the dd shootout, everyone gets to race anyone they want at any spot on the list, list will move around, everyone has multiple times to race for a spot. End of the day, the list is in STONE.
6. How to get on the list after May? That's debatable and I am open to suggestions/comments on this and of course all of the above. My thoughts are it could go two ways: first, you have to race spot 12 to get on the list, no matter how fast your car is. Then 11, then 10, then keep challenging till you lose. Second idea, you can challenge any spot on the list and if you beat them, you get that spot and the list is bumped down, and poor little #12 gets put on the also ran list. No street races will be counted. There are other sites for that, and frankly, I just don't want to assume the liability for that, sorry.

Pluses of this as I see it are:
1. NO worrying about breakage, if a guy is broke and he can't make a challenge, he slips a spot, if everyone finds out, he could end up at 12 and have to work his way back up.
2. NO policing, if you can't make the cruise, you can't make the drive, you can't make the shootout, even after 6 months notice, then you aren't on the list, simple.
3. Action, lots of video, lots of racing, lots of trash talkin, racin, storytellin, etc. All shit that I come here to watch and read.
4. More respect for the list. It's more than some guy thumping his chest after his 120k car took a spot from a guys 15k street car.
5. I'm not a believer that a trailered all out race car should be on the list. However, if that same race car fits the rules as stated above, has plates, can make a street cruise legally, and still run the number, I'm all for it.
6. With that being said, more respect for the driver of the car as well as for the car. So you built an 8 sec car, but can you drive it? This could separate the men from the dollar boyz. I know if you wanna race me, it's heads up or shut up.

Notice what's not up there:
mufflers, breakage, post counts, etc. I don't give a shit if the car has a horn, or if it has to run race gas. If the car can make it 40 miles on a round trip with the fuel it carries on board, done deal in my mind.

Again, to repeat, the reasoning behind my thinking is: Action, lots of video, lots of racing, lots of trash talkin, racin, storytellin, etc. All shit that I come here to watch and read.

Last edited by NXcoupe; 02-03-2014 at 07:04 PM.

[draggin50]

I like the original list but think it could be opened up some.

1. The turbo/muffler rule needs to go.
2. An other list for any other car. Like it used to be till around 2011. I noticed 2012 didn't have this option.
3. People have to make at least one of the cruise ins or hangouts. Its not that hard to do. Especially with Jon and Chad setting up other cruises as well in all parts of the country!
4. People need to call each other out on the BS! If they haven't made any hangouts, sold the car, or its blown the fuck up, your off.
5. Pictures, Videos, or timeslips needed. Not cause we don't believe the witnesses, its cause we want something to look at and watch!
6. Who cares about the race car/street car title if it makes a cruise in or two. Jeff Lange went 8.80's I believe and drove it a lot on the street.
7. Meet up towards the end of the year for a running of the dozen.
8. Street Car Shoot Outs!!!! This shit needs to happen again!!! That tested the cars. Not many broke that I can recall either. And it was fun!

That's about all I can think of right now. But overall I like how the original list works. It doesn't take away to much from what Vinny originally started.

[Maximus]

Ya'll do what ya want with the list. I just like seeing something positive happen in here.:)

[SN95N/A]

There needs to be a muffler on the turbo cars LOL ..does the exhaust have to make an attempt to make it to the back of the car?

[bbfstanger]

I agree with brian run whatcha brung,don't care if you have muffs or not.
bring the streetcar shootout back craig!!!!

calling out guys wouldn't work animosity or time scheduling would be almost impossible to do.
unless you blow it up it stays on the list. headgasket, axle failure etc. happens.

[Rick93coupe]

No mufflers on turbo cars should be perfectly acceptable and this coming from a guy with full exhaust and a muffler.
Call outs sounds great but I agree with scheduling it could be a problem. I for one sit around most of the winter and work like a dog all summer, so it would be difficult for me but I do plan on making more of an effort this yr.

[Rick93coupe]

If I had to guess, the muffler rule probably started because of 14 second guys with open headers that are always so annoying.

[Maximus]

If I had to guess, the muffler rule probably started because of 14 second guys with open headers that are always so annoying.

More so to do with the Down pipes dumping out the front of the cars. Trying to keep the "Street" in the list. But its all good now with the Run what cha brung rules!:D

[NXcoupe]

My idea is for the anything list, not the DD. The DD would stay as a simple et list. I would also try to get some of the local shops to chip in and put some money or parts for the top 3 or so on the race list. Maybe something for all 12 on the race list. I dunno. I for one would be around to race, it's always in an evening, it's on a thurs, fri or sat, so I should be able to make one of those days depending on how often one gets called out. I'd like to hear from some more folks, but the regular dirty dozen list would be as is, with some tweaking.

[Kwik92GT]

I like the idea of a "Street Outlaws" type of list, that is separate from the actual Dirty Dozen ET list. It has the potential for good entertainment and good racing. The problem may be filling it. How many hardcore racing folks do we have on here anymore? It's been a chore just trying to get a full Dirty Dozen and that's just an ET list. Maybe post a poll thread to gauge interest?

[NXcoupe]

Here's something I just came up with. I will get with as many folks as I can to donate a few bucks, we end up with a bag o cash, when we call the list done at the end of the year, everyone's name on the list, that's 12 racers with any make model car, gets thrown into a hat. One name is pulled and whoever's name that is, gets the sack o cash. That's incentive. We have to broadcast it on the different social media sites, but we'd get a following I'm sure. This would be for the DD race list, not the et list.

[Kwik92GT]

8. Street Car Shoot Outs!!!! This shit needs to happen again!!! That tested the cars. Not many broke that I can recall either. And it was fun!


Would love to see these return as well!! Not sure what it would take to get Craig to do these again? Be cool if there was a way to tie these into the XOS in some way. Could do one early in the year and then one at the last race of the year or something like that. Much safer track than Tri-State for the ETs that could possibly be ran. Not trying to knock Tri-State by saying that, because I really like that track, it's just not safe for the possible Ets.

[cstreu1026]

More so to do with the Down pipes dumping out the front of the cars. Trying to keep the "Street" in the list. But its all good now with the Run what cha brung rules!:D

So it was an Ackbar thing? :)

[Maximus]

More of a Race car/street car deal.