SCT LIVE DATA LOG II Q???

[redfirepearlgt]

Just picked up an SCT X3 tuner to do some datalogging with. Downloaded the LIVE II data logging software to my laptop from the SCT Flash website. Everything is pretty straight forward but one thing. Sounds stupid I know but here goes.

When the software says "TURN CAR ON" does that mean to turn the key to the "ON" position or to actually start the car? Don't want to do thing assuming and then BRICK the car.

I am not downloading a file or dataloging locally on the unit. I am pulling data through it to live log on my laptop. Thanks.

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

Just picked up an SCT X3 tuner to do some datalogging with. Downloaded the LIVE II data logging software to my laptop from the SCT Flash website. Everything is pretty straight forward but one thing. Sounds stupid I know but here goes.

When the software says "TURN CAR ON" does that mean to turn the key to the "ON" position or to actually start the car? Don't want to do thing assuming and then BRICK the car.

I am not downloading a file or dataloging locally on the unit. I am pulling data through it to live log on my laptop. Thanks.

You can't hurt it either way. For what you are wanting to see just start it.

[redfirepearlgt]

Cool thanks. Oh and BTW I foudn the ODBCII port finally. My head was literally in the way of seeing it. It is on the left side of the steering wheel underthe dash nad not hte right like the 05 was. WOW! Now I feel like an idiot.

[redfirepearlgt]

Got everything set up. Thanks for the info. Plugged in, did a validate, selected PIDS and saved. NOthign however on torque other than torque source. So hopefully Throttle pedal position when compared to throttle position feedback will reflect the issue.

[Gearhead]

Are you having issues with the canned Roush Phase 1 tune ? Just curious is all.....

[redfirepearlgt]

Are you having issues with the canned Roush Phase 1 tune ? Just curious is all.....

Just trying to get an answer to an ongoing intermittent phenomenon that has plagued the car since day one of the Roush Dealer installed warranty upgrade 3-4 months back. Roush is now getting involved heavily to help resolve or find an answer to the equation. I don't feel like going into details about it.

Lebanon Ford sales and service have been stellar in their assistance with the issue, and now that a Roush Regional Manager has gotten involved I seem to be getting somewhere on that end as well where previous to today I wa beginning to have my doubts. The Reg Roush Manager called today and we spoke for an hour. He is coming to the area the first week of December for meetings with Lebanon Ford and will be blocking out time for me to address this matter with a hopeful resolve.

I am aware that the phase 1 tune is very, very conservative and if that is all it is I am fine with that until next summer or fall at which time I will void it with a tune upgrade and release the hounds. If the issue is related anywhere else in the drivetrain I will have Ford resolve that, strip the car of the Roush package and trade for a 13 auto and have it put on that car or sell everything and the car with plans to digress to a more Ford reliable pre 2010 mustang model OR go to the gray side and seek out an 05,06 Pontiac GTO which I have already been shopping for just in case.

Right now I plan to do my own datalogging with hopes to bring this all to the table with Roush in trying to get a resolve from them and/or Ford.

[jeep45238]

Don't ignore the fuel pressure changes between shifts.

[redfirepearlgt]

Don't ignore the fuel pressure changes between shifts.

Nope got that factored into the log, however Roush, Ford, and Adam at S/M motorsports doubts this to be related. Better fuel delivery on this car as I understand it. In fact Roush doe not even bring a fuel upgrade need to the table until you are in their 675FWHP setup. Then they add a boostapump.

[redfirepearlgt]

Datalogging is cool. Collected some trends today. Hopefully this will reveal some things for isolating what is going on. Will be doing some more soon.

[NXcoupe]

Good luck with it. Any progress or updates? I've been following this.

[redfirepearlgt]

Yip. Not at liberty to share right now. May do so after Thursday's meeting.

[redfirepearlgt]

met with Roush rep today. He drove the car as I did and the symptom was there. Like me he is perplexed as to weather this is clutch engagement related or Torque strategies poaying into the equation because of the occurrance being random. Provided him my datalogs which he will be getting to the power train engineers to analyze. So the wheel is roolling in the right direction. If it is cluytch related the questio nwill be is it the clutch. the pressure plate or the engagement area that is the problem. I have a Stage 3 clutch package in route and is to arrive today, but if the clutch nor pressure plate is the source of hte problem there is no point in putting in $600 in parts for no reason. THis is why I have been so negative towards any upgrades, and Ford with regard to this tranny setup. Time will tell and of course if it is clutch related I will lay money against it that Ford will claim nothing is wrong with the vehicle. That seesm to be their be-all-end-all answer to anything relating manual shift drive train issues these days.

[NXcoupe]

Well, at least they are working on it. Hope it goes better than you expect.

[redfirepearlgt]

met with Roush rep today. He drove the car as I did and the symptom was there. Like me he is perplexed as to weather this is clutch engagement related or Torque strategies poaying into the equation because of the occurrance being random. Provided him my datalogs which he will be getting to the power train engineers to analyze. So the wheel is roolling in the right direction. If it is cluytch related the questio nwill be is it the clutch. the pressure plate or the engagement area that is the problem. I have a Stage 3 clutch package in route and is to arrive today, but if the clutch nor pressure plate is the source of hte problem there is no point in putting in $600 in parts for no reason. THis is why I have been so negative towards any upgrades, and Ford with regard to this tranny setup. Time will tell and of course if it is clutch related I will lay money against it that Ford will claim nothing is wrong with the vehicle. That seesm to be their be-all-end-all answer to anything relating manual shift drive train issues these days.

Sorry for the missed spellings and the grammar errors. One of these days I will take a typing course...:lol:

[redfirepearlgt]

Received an initial analysis yesterday. Still waiting to get confirmation on that analysis from the Roush Director of Engineering who was supposed to have looked at the datalogs Monday12/16 after being out of town last week.

Thanks again Adam at S&M Motorsports in Cleves Ohio for helping me with the datalogging software. Great stuff and very usable even on a novice level. Lots of the "magic" becomes more clear when looking at these data logs. Really neat how you can collect data and then break things out to see how they respond to each other. Example - TP position desired v. TP position actual which equates to throttle response. Or TP position actual v. Fuel pressure v. RPM. Or A/F v. Fuel pressure.

Great stuff!!!A fantastic learning tool.

[mad max]

I was in Lebanon ford the other day dropping a vehicle and ask for some roush brochures . The service manager immediately brought up your car . Sounds like they are top notch guys and I hope they resolve your issues soon . He agreed that the manuals are junk in these cars , but everywhere you look that is about all you see on the lots . I have found 3 automatics in months of searching . Finally got to drive a ruby red at hidy ford . Wasn't really ideal conditions for a test drive but I liked the way the car felt as compared to my expierence test driving seans old car at Wyler. Good luck in whatever you decide to do .

[redfirepearlgt]

I was in Lebanon ford the other day dropping a vehicle and ask for some roush brochures . The service manager immediately brought up your car . Sounds like they are top notch guys and I hope they resolve your issues soon . He agreed that the manuals are junk in these cars , but everywhere you look that is about all you see on the lots . I have found 3 automatics in months of searching . Finally got to drive a ruby red at hidy ford . Wasn't really ideal conditions for a test drive but I liked the way the car felt as compared to my expierence test driving seans old car at Wyler. Good luck in whatever you decide to do .

Thanks man. Go with the auto if you plan on doing any heavy racing and heavy modding. The getrag MT-82 has some good points such as 23 spline input shaft vice 10 spline, but overall it can be sketchy. I am putting a stage 3 clutch in mine this spring and a lightweight steel flywheel. Just got the items in. Also upgrading the slave cylinder supply line as well, but haven't determined which ersion to go with yet. FRPP makes a rigid steel line upgrade and there are several others made from braided steel lines a lot less expensive. Usually you get what you pay for. An MGW shifter makes a world of difference in how the tranny responds to shifting. Worse comes to worse, you can pick up used getrags for around $1000 on occasion to have on backup OR for $4300 do a T56 Magnum XL upgrade or TR6060 upgrade.

Love the ruby red 13/14. :bigthumb Get the premium however if possible. Dash setup gives you a lot more engine information including a built in true A/F wide band data display, IAT, and several other goodies including TRACK APPS!!!!

[redfirepearlgt]

Finally got the call back from Roush. So happened that the Ford Cal tech was there on the phone call as well and was able to weight in. They looked atthe CSV files and have determined that while the car was seeing engine overlimit strategies taking place, it was apparently due to clutch slippage. Thus justification to get eh Stage 3 Exedy Mch 500 setup in the car ASAP. SO ther eyou have it Folks. Strategies were taking place yet clutch slippage appears to be the cause which allows the car to still over-rev eve at a 6K shift point. WHEW!

Sooooooooooo...if you are having issues with a FI setup like this ask yourself if you have enough clutch. Thus ends this thread.