wanna make $100 cash tonight or tomorrow?

[coleary1992]

Come time my car. Not kidding. $100 cash to who ever can get it done lol tired of waiting for people who sah they're gonna show or show up and have no idea how to do it. Text me. 859-466-2093

[2Fast4You]

What are you wanting done?

[Stangman]

Put cylinder #1 at top dead center. This is passenger front in case you don't know. (Keep in mind you can find top dead center on the intake stroke and the exhaust stroke, if it doesn't fire up after doing everything below, turn motor over and find top dead center again. )

Pull distributor out and put back in with rotor button facing the back of the motor or really damn close (number one cylinder is at this location on the dizzy cap)

Reassemble. I assume your car has the original motor. If so, your firing order is 1 3 7 2 6 5 4 8.

When you reinstall the dizzy, make sure you give the ignition control module enough room to retard and advance the timing.

Clean off the balancer and mark 12 degrees. That's a happy spot.

Now provided you've got things pretty damn close, remove the spout connector and fire the car up.

Put timing light leads on battery, and the sensor clamp over plug wire #1.

When holding the timing light at the balancer, you aim at the straight edge NOT the round hole.

Adjust distributor to where your timing light is dead nuts on your mark on the balancer at 12 degrees. Tighten up the dizzy hold down.

Shut car off, reinstall spout connector. Remove timing light.

Fire up car. It should be happy. Send me $100 ;)


If not, you've got something else going on.

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

Put cylinder #1 at top dead center. This is passenger front in case you don't know. (Keep in mind you can find top dead center on the intake stroke and the exhaust stroke, if it doesn't fire up after doing everything below, turn motor over and find top dead center again. )

Pull distributor out and put back in with rotor button facing the back of the motor or really damn close (number one cylinder is at this location on the dizzy cap)

Reassemble. I assume your car has the original motor. If so, your firing order is 1 3 7 2 6 5 4 8.

When you reinstall the dizzy, make sure you give the ignition control module enough room to retard and advance the timing.

Clean off the balancer and mark 12 degrees. That's a happy spot.

Now provided you've got things pretty damn close, remove the spout connector and fire the car up.

Put timing light leads on battery, and the sensor clamp over plug wire #1.

When holding the timing light at the balancer, you aim at the straight edge NOT the round hole.

Adjust distributor to where your timing light is dead nuts on your mark on the balancer at 12 degrees. Tighten up the dizzy hold down.

Shut car off, reinstall spout connector. Remove timing light.

Fire up car. It should be happy. Send me $100 ;)


If not, you've got something else going on.

:lol: I agree but drop the distributor in at 12 degrees before top dead center and point the rotor at #1 plug wire it will be very close.

[Stangman]

Straight up... number 1.... close enough for horse shoes and hand grenades. I haven't had to touch one of these things in ages. I'm surprised I've retained that much. Lol

[rtvickers]

Passenger side cylinders from front to back 1234
Driver side cylinders from front to back 5678

I say that because I had a neighbor that had them wired like a chevy one time and couldn't figure what was wrong. Rewired it and it fired right up. Its not 2468, 1357.

[coleary1992]

I've tried that quite a few times with no luck. The crank pulley makes 4 rotations before its on the comlression strokw again right? So out of every 2 one is the exhaust and one is the intake?

[1baddlx]

Did you line the timing chain up right?the cam and crank gear that is?

[coleary1992]

Yes. Right on the money

[Mista Bone]

Make sure you understand the dizzy shaft will spin approx two teeth as you drop it down to engage the cam drive gear.

Been almost 30 years since I had my headache 1975 Mustang II HB.

Brian Cain is in your area, I know he used to post on here and is in the Delhi area.

PS: Damn 302 heads were milled .030 during valve job, talk about a headache!!!!

[dr59l]

Car wont start period? Wat cam? Make sure its correct firing for cam. They use 5.0 Windsor firing orders an 289 302 make sure u have it right an simply hold ur finger over #1 plug hole an have someone bump it over w coil disabled an u will find compression stroke. Line it up on 0 an do like said above. Make sure cam is ground on firing order u try to run. If its a alphabet or tfs cam u know its Windsor firing order

[redfirepearlgt]

I've tried that quite a few times with no luck. The crank pulley makes 4 rotations before its on the comlression strokw again right? So out of every 2 one is the exhaust and one is the intake?

No the crank makes two rotations per complete cycle on a four stroke. You need to achieve top dead center on the compression stroke which is the first of two upward strokes made in the four stroke engine process. All valves will be closed on this stroke as well as the power stroke which comes next. The final up stroke is the exahaust stroke. Remember that four stroke means pistion up/down movement not crank rotations. And as RT Vickers pointed out cylinder 1 is left front as you look in on the engine from the front.

Use Stangmans procedure. If you are struggling with finding top dead center, drop a push rod (or another long object) into the sparkplug hole on cylinder one and use that as an indicator to determine when you have reached the upmost portion of your compression stroke. You will need to verify that your valves are in fact closed. If they are not the mechanical timing between the cam and crank may be off causing you problems.

[coleary1992]

I can find tdc and I know what firing order it is, idk why its not right

[coleary1992]

And yrah I know brian cain, he's mostly into bmws now, that's mainly what he messes with

[Mista Bone]

That is what he messes with NOW. But he had a SSP and has an old Hemi Rat Rod.

[coleary1992]

Damn I didn't know that. I have a little more respect for him now lol I messaged him on fb. I got the car running, revs up great but still won't idle or if it does its rough and when I tap the gas it chokes out then revs up and then down and if I hold it at a certain rpm it will hold there and then change

[coleary1992]

I put new lower intake manifold gaskets on and when it was running sprayed carb cleaner and got no leaks that way. All the bolts are tight too

[chrisb1961]

That is what he messes with NOW. But he had a SSP and has an old Hemi Rat Rod.

Hot Rod...

[coleary1992]

Its still vacuum. I have no brakes

[dedpedal]

So is it running right yet?

[chrisb1961]

Vaccum leaks are a mother Fer

[coleary1992]

Not running 100%. I'm bringing home a evap smoke tester from work tomorrow, find out once and for all. It could just need a new gasket in between the upper and lower. Would I have to order that from tfs?

[coleary1992]

Not running 100%. I'm bringing home a evap smoke tester from work tomorrow, find out once and for all. It could just need a new gasket in between the upper and lower. Would I have to order that from tfs?

[coleary1992]

Ok here's a video, its a little better now that I blocked off 6 of the 8 vaccum ports on the manifold. Still hard brakes and wants to die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlZnqWvdOD0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Mista Bone]

Hot Rod...

I know where you are going, I have a Hot Rod sticker as well as a Vinny sticker on the CRX....

[dr59l]

So unhook the booster see if idle clears up. May be bad booster or hose to it

[akagreg3]

is this an H/C/I motor?

a little more info about whats been done to the motor would help

clean the mass air and the idle air control value or replace -and do a idle reset


http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/5-0l-tech/340926-how-do-base-idle-reset-how-check-set-your-tps.html

[redfirepearlgt]

I'm no expert by any stretch but wasn't there a cam out that required changing the firing order because of the way it was designed? Seems like it was a Lunati or Comp Cam. I seem to remember someone doing a write up on it in which the firing order on two of the cylinders had to be swapped (plugwires) in order for the car to run correctly because of the cam design. I really want to see this car under power. It sounds awesome and I envy your garage space. Just trying to jog someone's memory. Then again with all I have been through lately that may have been a dream I had. LOL!

[facemelter71]

Vacuum leak,CALLED IT.

I take paypal and I also take credit cards over the phone.

[coleary1992]

Smoke tested it today. No leaks and it popped the pressure valve on the machine lol I got curious snd swapped my stock maf back on. Fired rightup and idled great. Went to adjust the idle bc it was around 1200. Grabbed my allen head and it died. Wont fire back up now. No spark from the coil. Swapped the coil, still no sprark

[redfirepearlgt]

Crank Trigger signal loss? Assuming you are running a Crank Trigger sensor setup.

[slow86fiveoh]

The pickup in the dizzy may have gone bad happened on my fox

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

Is this a fox or 94-95?

[slow86fiveoh]

Its a 94-95 car in his video

[coleary1992]

No crank trigger. Its a 95. Can I order a pick up at oreilly or do I have to buy a new dizzy?

[2Fast4You]

The distributor modules are usually in stock at any auto parts store, if they don't have it call someone else.

[Stangman]

I've had the pickup coil in my 94 go bad before...

[slow86fiveoh]

A new complete dizzy for my fox ready to plug in was only 60 bucks maybe a little more at Oreilly

[slow86fiveoh]

It's 89 bucks for a complete drop in dist at Oreilly for a 95

[coleary1992]

But if its not bad to begin with then that's a waste of $90 lol

[coleary1992]

Ordered a new one. $79 my price. I'm getting power to the coil, all of the injevtors have power on both wires, is that corect? All fuses are good and all the relays are good

[coleary1992]

Online someone said I shpuld hsve power going to the red/green wire on the coil and the tan wire too. Truing to trace this problem down. Ill find out if the pick up is the problem tomorrow

[akagreg3]

Online someone said I shpuld hsve power going to the red/green wire on the coil and the tan wire too. Truing to trace this problem down. Ill find out if the pick up is the problem tomorrow

Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs


Special Notes

All text applies to all models unless stated otherwise.
94-95 Model-Specific Information in Red
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.



Place car in neutral or Park and set the parking brake to ensure the vehicle doesn’t roll away.

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Remove the coil wire from distributor & and hold it 3/8” away from the engine block. Use a Metal Jumper to connect the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.


No spark: Possible failed items in order of their probability

MSD or Crane ignition box (If so equipped)
Coil
TFI Module
PIP sensor in distributor. The PIP sensor supplies the timing pulse to trigger the TFI and injectors. See paragraph 5A - a Noid Light will tell if the PIP is working by flashing when the engine is cranking.
No ECC or Computer Power - ECC or computer relay failure
86-93 models only: ECC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
94-95 models only: EEC or PCM power relay in the constant control relay module. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
No ECC or Computer Power - Fuse or Fuse link failure
86-93 models only: Fuse links in wiring harness – Check to make sure that there is 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid.
94-95 models only: 20 amp EEC fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
Ignition switch - Look for 12 volts at the Ignition Coil Red/Light Green wire. If it is not reading 12 Volts: possible blown fuse link or faulty ignition switch. Remove the plastic from around the ignition switch and look for 12 volts on the red/green wire with the switch in the Run position. If there isn’t 12 volts then the ignition switch is faulty. If 12 volts is present in the Run position, then the fuse link is blown.
94-95 models only: Check inside fuse panel for fuse #18 blown – 20 amp fuse
Bad or missing secondary power ground. This ground is located between the back of the intake manifold and the driver's side firewall. It supplies ground for the alternator, A/C compressor clutch and other electrical accessories such as the gauges.
Computer
Engine fires briefly, but dies immediately when the key is released to the Run position: Pull the small push on connector (red wire) off the starter relay (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Hold the switch in the crank position: if it continues to run there is a problem with either the ignition switch or TFI module. Check for 12 volts at the red/green wire on the coil with the switch in the Run position. If reading 12 volts, then replace the TFI. If not reading 12 volts, replace the ignition switch.




Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and Check to see Spark.

2.) No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:

Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
Distributor cap
Rotor
Spark Plug wires
Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil



3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs vary depending upon Brand and Size. Pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. DO NOT TRY TO START THE CAR WITHOUT RECONNECTING THE AIR DUCT.

Two reasons for this
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue.

Clue: Listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the EEC test connector and jump the connector in the Upper RH corner to ground. The EEC connector is near the wiper motor and LH hood hinge.

If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump.

Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In a pinch, you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have. If you have any doubts about having sufficient fuel flow/pressure, rent a fuel pressure test gauge from the auto parts store. That will tell you for sure if you have adequate fuel pressure.


4.) No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability

Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most Mustangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
Clogged fuel filter
Failed fuel pump
86-90 models only: Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay.
91-93 models only Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
The fuse links for all model years 86-93 live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.
94-95 models only: 20 amp fuel pump fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the Dark green/yellow wire on the constant control relay module.
Engine seems to load up on fuel and may have black smoke at the tailpipe. Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove the vacuum line from the regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while the pump is running. If fuel is coming out the vacuum port, the regulator has failed. Check the regulator vacuum line for fuel too. Disconnect it from the engine and blow air though it. If you find gas, the regulator has failed.



5.) Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.

A noid light available from any auto parts store, is one way to test the injector wiring.
The noid light plugs into the fuel injector harness in place of any easily accessible injector. Plug it in and it will flash if the injector is firing.
[jrichker likes] to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. [jrichker would] hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too. [Not certain about this step]
Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.
TPS voltage exceeds 3.7 volts with the throttle closed. This will shut off the injectors, since the computer uses this strategy to clear a flooded engine. Use a DVM, a pair of safety pins, and probe the black/white and green wires to measure the TPS voltage.
On a 94-95 Mustang, probe the black/white and grey/white wires to measure the TPS voltage.
It should be .5-.99 volts with the key on, engine not running. Note that if the black/white wire (signal ground) has a bad connection, you will get some strange readings. Make a second measurement using the battery post as the ground to eliminate any ground problems. If the readings are different by more than 5%, you may have a high resistance condition in the black/white signal ground circuit.



6.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.

Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
Failed computer (not very likely)
Engine ignition or cam timing off (only likely if the engine has been worked on recently)
Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.
Engine that has had the heads off or valves adjusted. Do a compression test to make sure the valves are not adjusted too tight. You should have a minimum of 90 PSI on a cold engine.

[coleary1992]

Like I said, already went through the checklist, I have power at everything
. Ill have a new dizzy today and probably a new coil

[coleary1992]

Like I said, already went through the checklist, I have power at everything
. Ill have a new dizzy today and probably a new coil

[akagreg3]

will then you know with ignition on you should be getting power to both leads on the coil and when you turn the car over you will get a light pluse on your test light from the bottom wire i believe if the PIP sensor in distributor is working provided you are getting fire to the distributor.

check list works

[coleary1992]

I had a feeling it was the pick up and it was. New dizzy at lunch and she fired up. Didnt have any time to set it in time. Are 24lb injectors blue tops? Bc it started with a stock maf.

[1baddlx]

Yes they are blue tops

[coleary1992]

Ok. I guess I have to figure out if the maf they came woth is calibrayed for 24's

[slow86fiveoh]

I figured that's what it was, sounded like the same thing that happened to my car

[coleary1992]

Well fellas, she's good ad gold now. Thanks for the help guys. First the pick up then the maf. Oh well I've had worse happen. I'd still like ti get a maf for my 24's bc I doubt nitrous will like 19's.

[redfirepearlgt]

Well fellas, she's good ad gold now. Thanks for the help guys. First the pick up then the maf. Oh well I've had worse happen. I'd still like ti get a maf for my 24's bc I doubt nitrous will like 19's.

cool. make a audio clip so we can hear the cam in that thing...

[coleary1992]

How about a video instead? As soon as it loads to youtube

[coleary1992]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY8nC9Qpmz4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[akagreg3]

24lb are 70mm maf, i have 24s in my car and run a 76mm maf and 75mm accufab tb and it idles fine

[coleary1992]

They came with a pretty big maf and wouldn't run for shit. I guess ill pick up a new maf eventually and try it out

[akagreg3]

lol well its sound great in the vid,, id leave it alone

[coleary1992]

Yeah good idea lol