The word has come down from The Supreme Court

[Goldenpony]

We're Screwed!

[DSSKing68]

YEP....BOHICA

[redfirepearlgt]

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj528/redfirepearlgt/mickey1.jpg

[Blackout]

We will have wait for the next president to over rule it and get rid of it. It's nothing more than a power game.

[redfirepearlgt]

We will have wait for the next president to over rule it and get rid of it. It's nothing more than a power game.

It will take more than a president. It will take a Congress (House and Senate) that supports a bill introduced to kill the OBAMA CARE TAX LAW (thats what it is) to pass it, a president to sign it into law, and then a supreme court to uphold the law when bleeding heart liberal baby boomers challenge it in the Supreme Court. Chances are until the bench changes any law to repeal will be overturned by the same five that upheld it today. SAD BUT TRUE.

[Goldenpony]

Maybe not. Romney has said he will give all 50 states a waiver on the law, essentially killing it.

[akagreg3]

this BS is nothing but another tax on the working people (not) the people on welfare and illegal immigration cause they dont pay anyway we pay for them, and populations get free health care
this is more power the government has and less power the people have, tax man just reach a little further in your pockets

facts
‎1000 new IRS agents and expand the IRS budget by 200billion dollar
Right now IRS budget is 43 billion

[qwk93ta]

How long before we all see a tax on this coming directly out of our checks just like social security? There is NO way the federal government will be able to make this work....the only thing they can do correctly is collect taxes.

[redfirepearlgt]

How long before we all see a tax on this coming directly out of our checks just like social security? There is NO way the federal government will be able to make this work....the only thing they can do correctly is collect taxes.

How long until a another gas tax, another tobacco tax, another alcohol tax? This is the tip of the iceberg in my opinion.

Example given - The population of Great Britain is conservatively 65 million. They are currently taxed on average $3088.80 U.S. dollars per person for their NHS system. Only 8% of the country uses private healthcare and you can bet that is the elite privileged upper portion of their very rigidly structured social class network. Of the estimated current annual 94 bllion pound budget (thats $147 billion US) 60% currently goes toward salaries. Keep in mind this budget is based on a population of 65 million. Just guessing, I am would assume that a percentage of the VAT tax collected on various products including gasoline, also goes to cushion some of this cost. BTW the cost for gas includes a 57.95P Duty tax, and a 22.15P VAT. This is $1.25 US in tax per liter. There are 3.8L in a US gallon. Thats $4.75 US in tax per gallon using our measuring system in their country. Don't think OBAMA isn't eyeballing our gas tax (currently 18.4 cents per US gallon) as the key place to hide taxes to pay for his bureaucratic machine he has created with the help of his lefties and his two judge appointees.

The U.S. has a population conservatively of 300 million - 4.6 times that of GB. At current GB numbers if we were to go total NHS tomorrow, the estimated annual budget (not including the cost to create the infrastructure and the added bs govt. jobs to "oversee" everything) would be roughly - $677 billion dollars per year. I'm just doing the math based on a document I found on the British NHS cost average. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service_(England)#Funding

For the professors out there it's not a term paper so I can reference wikipedia.

Isn't socialism great???

[cstreu1026]

20 new or higher increase, when they take effect, and where they are found in the bill.

http://www.atr.org/tax-hikes-obamacare-scotus-rule-a6996

[Pitbull1052]

land of the free to do as we tell you to do and home of the policed............

[jeep45238]

Down goes liberty with the thunder of applause....

[Black92LX]

At first I could not understand why John Roberts would jump ship and join the liberal side of the court, Kennedy was who I expected from not Roberts.

That is until I read this and Roberts quite possibly is a genius and his vote was actually a big F-U to Obama.

I can't take credit for this, but it makes pretty good sense to me.


Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius
Posted on June 28, 2012 by I.M. Citizen

Bookmark and Share Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it’s important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.

It will be a short-lived celebration.

Here’s what really occurred — payback. Yes, payback for Obama’s numerous, ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.

Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.

Although he didn’t guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.

And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown through his windshield. Oh, and he’ll be home in time for dinner.

Brilliant.

[jeep45238]

Do you know where that analysis came from by chance?

[Black92LX]

Do you know where that analysis came from by chance?

That was a post by a member on a gun forum I am on they go by I.M. Citizen I know nothing more.

I did come across this last night, which says the same thing but goes in to more detail. Don't know which came first.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/the_chief_justice_done_good.html

[redfirepearlgt]

At first I could not understand why John Roberts would jump ship and join the liberal side of the court, Kennedy was who I expected from not Roberts.

That is until I read this and Roberts quite possibly is a genius and his vote was actually a big F-U to Obama.

I can't take credit for this, but it makes pretty good sense to me.

Great read. I won't be overly hopeful, but it does provide food for thought.

[Black92LX]

Great read. I won't be overly hopeful, but it does provide food for thought.

If it were any other justice I would not put much thought into it. But Roberts is the last justice that I ever thought would jump ship.
He was the most visually pissed off in Obama's lashing of the Supreme Court in his State of the Union Speech (I think) awhile back.

[redfirepearlgt]

If it were any other justice I would not put much thought into it. But Roberts is the last justice that I ever thought would jump ship.
He was the most visually pissed off in Obama's lashing of the Supreme Court in his State of the Union Speech (I think) awhile back.

Wow. I forgot about that. THanks for joggin my memory. I remember that. They (especially him) sat there stewing as he talked to them like they were his subordinate apprentices. All except two anyway - Kegan and Sodomior (sp).

[Goldenpony]

If you haven't noticed, that sleeping giant is now wide awake.

[redfirepearlgt]

If you haven't noticed, that sleeping giant is now wide awake.

Lets hope we can keep it awake and alert through November!

[timdsellers]

This is certainly not the end of this and I honestly just can not see how this huge ball of poo will be funded without another tea party. The really crappy thing is that there are some good ideas that stick it to the insurance companies in this bill. But like most people I don't want to take THIS much bad with the good in this case.

[redrocker]

i think we all got screwed on this deal .

[Black92LX]

If you haven't noticed, that sleeping giant is now wide awake.

Agreed

Not sure how to embed a youtube video, but it's a good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qKlRen8yzaw

[dedpedal]

Its a crime (and punishable) for me to reach into your pocket and take your earned income then give it to someone who has less, yet when the politicians do it to you, its ok because theyre "doing the right thing".
Tax or penalty, its still money forcefuly removed from your pocket without your consent.

[cstreu1026]

Calling Roberts a genius is merely finding a silver lining in a very dark cloud. We're now just one step closer to a single payer, nationalized healthcare system.

[cstreu1026]

This sounds about right....

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb162/cstreu1026/Cartoons%20And%20Such/Obamacare.jpg

[redfirepearlgt]

^^^^ A recent article I saw indicated that this statement was made by Donald Trump. Bad hair or not I would have voted for the guy.

[Goldenpony]

I would have voted for The Donald in a second! It would have been great to hear him say on inauguration day to Obama, "You're Fired!" :lol:

[02mingryGT]

Website that summarizes:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/health-care-bill-hb3200-1018-pages-summarized-on-a-single-page/blog-147221/