Project, about time!

[98stangv6]

Let me preface this by saying this thread is more to help me out, as I will have a million questions. Long story short, I bought the car when I was 17, with my whole life savings. It was an awesome DD, but has been parked in the garage sinc Dec. 2010. I am too attached to part with her and am finally getting to the point to where I am not afraid to tear into things, learning as I go along.

The build is going to be a slow one and on a tight budget. My ultimate goal is to have a fun driver and something that I can participate in a few UMTR races. I have been collecting parts and tools as I go and still need a lot to finish. (The wife has to sign my permission slip for everything I buy)

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Here is the car when I was 17, with some sweeeeet American Racing wheels lol.

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Last day the car was driven with the v6.

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Engine and trans pulled.

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89' 302

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Freshly powdercoated intake!

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n6/filluptheday/IMAG0209.jpg How she sits now.

Plans are pretty basic. Using the shortblock and going carb'd. I want to go with a tfs1 cam, 1.6 roller rockers, 650 dp, msd dist and 6al. I have been looking at both Astro Performance and Promotion trans, I want to stick with a t5. Plan on going with an 8.8 with 4.10s. As far as fuel, I want to sump the stock tank, use a Holley Blue fp, and fully braided line.

I am by no means a mechanic, this is going to be a huge learning experience full of trials and errors. I will have a million questions and any help and advice is greatly appreciated.

[SN95N/A]

Good start if your going carb'd this shouldn't be hard to do,while u have motor out put a kmember and lighten that thing up a bit,that body style is slightly on the heavy side,have fun with it!

[adragon72]

This shoud be a fun project!

[98stangv6]

I am, I have a PA racing k-member with perches. I have been doing my homework for the most part. I don't think it will be too tough. Just a lot of random questions. Such as, can I use my v6 t5 bellhousing with an 87-93 t5.

[mustangboy]

That is a bad ass looking intake, good luck with the build:bigthumb

[SN95N/A]

If you can't I have a 87-93 bellhousing

[331lx]

Nice build man looking good

[JGavey]

looks like a fun project. good luck

[mustang_gt88]

Nice project, your engine and ignition are very close to my setup. What heads are you running?

[90fastgt]

Very nice project theres plenty of knowledgeable people on here to answer questions

[98stangv6]

Nice project, your engine and ignition are very close to my setup. What heads are you running?

GT40P with upgraded springs. Now I need to find roller rockers.

[timdsellers]

Still have the 5 spoke wheels from the second pic??

[Stangman]

Dont sump the tank, just have a fitting welded to the sending unit, using the stock fuel tank/pump/etc. Put a plug and a clamp over the old return... Dont even have to remove the old fuel lines.... done.

Have a return welded into the side of the tank. Use a regulator to exact your fuel pressure and make sure it's a return style to return extra fuel to the tank.

Simple. And you dont have extra fuel accessories hanging LOWER than your tank to potentially scrape the ground. No high dollar fuel pump needed, and no money spent on a fuel pump ;) Just have to get the filter and stuff for it and mount that somewhere under there.

Also, If I am not mistaken, the v6 T5's also had the slightly longer input shafts as the 94-95 5.0 T5's did. You'll need a 94-95 bellhousing. If you can measure the distance from the end of input shaft to the case (not the retainer), I can measuere a fox T5 and compare.

[98stangv6]

The weight difference is amazing!
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[331lx]

Yes I'm sure u saved some pounds there. Did u get tubular controls arms to lighten it up further

[98stangv6]

No I didn't. I was planning on using my stock a arms, thats why I went with the spring perches. I am going to search to tubular a arms with spring perches.

[Stangman]

Make sure your control arms fit the k member and have a good range of motion! Been there done that on K members that supposedly fit stock arms! Got rid of that one and ended up buying Eddie's (blowpastyou) old AJE k member

[98stangv6]

making progress, slowly but surely. Learning a lot along the way.

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[90fastgt]

Nice progress

[4EYED85GT]

Very nice! I like those valve covers.

[bennyboy]

project is looking good hope to see it out this summer are you using the bellhousing and fork you got from me

[MFIELD]

Looking good

[98stangv6]

Yep plan on using that bellhousing. I was hoping to use these headers with the P heads, but there are a few cylinders that the plugs are really close. I don't think I can get a wire on. Has anyone used the accel short plugs or have any tricks?


project is looking good hope to see it out this summer are you using the bellhousing and fork you got from me

[Applejaxx95vert]

I have gt40p heads also, I ended up getting some MSD plug wires that I had to make they have 90 degree angles on the boots then they clear the headers.

[slow86fiveoh]

Dump those headers and get a set of bbk shorties they clear all the plugs really well I had to use 1 90 degree boot

[98stangv6]

Yeah, I think I will have to go another route with the headers. I am trying to keep it as much of a budget build as possible, I will keep my eye out for some BBK. I also decided to pull the water pump off and go with one that turns the same direction as the crank pulley since I won't be running ac or power steering. I hope to swap out the rear end and have the engine and trans bolted in by next weekend.

[98stangv6]

Well I went two steps forward and one step back. I swapped the headers out for some Ford Racing P headers, much better clearance, but my overkill Roush wires still won't work. Swapped the water pump out for one that turns clockwise.

Got the King Cobra clutch in and oe replacement flywheel. Got the motor and trans in, but made another rookie mistake. The 7qt oil pan is not going to cut it. Starter won't fit and clutch cable won't go through the bellhousing. So I need to find a stock oil pan.

The billet alternator bracket is giving me a headache, It clears the waterpump pulley, however it's too close for comfort as you can see in the pics. I also think it will be in the way of the water neck coming off of the intake. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Hope to have the 8.8 next weekend and work out some of the problem areas. It's been a good learning experience, but it seems like it's been a lot of work for a 14 second car.

I still need a stock oil pan and starter if anyone has them for cheap. I would like to use some of my stock gauges, but don't know much about wiring. Is it possible to use my stock tach, oil pressure, etc?

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[Gearhead]

I've got a starter you can have for free. I think it's an Autozone/Pepboys/Advance etc.. reman.

I'm in the Erlanger/Independence area, I think you bought a timing cover from me last summer ??

-Scott

[98stangv6]

You are my favorite person in the world right now. Just let me know when to come get it and I will be there.

[SN95N/A]

Nice progress

[98stangv6]

Out with the 7.5" and in with the 8.8"

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[mustang_gt88]

What gear you running

[91lxnos]

Looks great. I know what your saying its a slow process but all worth it in the end

[98stangv6]

What gear you running

3.73. Wanted to go with 4.10, but this already had 3.73s in it.

[jktruckin06]

Did you ever figure out that alternator bracket?

[98stangv6]

Nope, I got frustrated and haven't touched it again, ebay crap. I will probably just end up getting a stock bracket and tensioner.

[cyah92]

looking good. I know what u mean about the learning experience. its been a rough road for me too. just figure your almost done and will be fun to cruise in. keep up the good work.

[jktruckin06]

Nope, I got frustrated and haven't touched it again, ebay crap. I will probably just end up getting a stock bracket and tensioner.

It looks like a march piece... I'm guessing not. I can get some measurements on mine and compare, cause mine is super close to the water pump pulley too, but it clears completely

[SN95N/A]

You cant machine down that spacer about an 1/8 inch or so?cant tell in the pic

[mustang_gt88]

I agree the spacers look to long. You can go to March and get the right spacers or just trim them down

[SN95N/A]

I had a similar issue with my 85 with the 347

[2Fast4You]

It looks like that oil pan has kick outs, if that's so that is the real problem with the pan.
You can get the correct high capacity pan from Moroso or even Ford Racing.
Does the engine have a high volume oil pan? If so you may want to avoid a stock pan because them pumps can suck the pan dry and cause major issues?

[98stangv6]

I just put a standard volume pump back in. I have a stock pan now.

[98stangv6]

I was starting to think the jack stands were rusted to the floor, but I made some progress the past few days and she got to touch the ground. I got the stock gas tank and 7.5 rear end out. I got the 8.8" in, stock oil pan on, drive shaft, figured out the alternator bracket, etc. Next up with fuel system and wiring (not looking forward to either).

Problems I am running into:
1) I want to attempt to use as many stock gauges as possible, but don't know where to start.

2) My stock v6 T5 clutch cable will not hold into my 95 v8 clutch fork where it hooks in.

3) I need more money!

4) Wiring sucks.

5) Hoping my stock v6 radiator will keep it cool.

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[SN95N/A]

Its coming along

[98stangv6]

Its coming along

Ha yeah,,,, at this pace it should be running in about two years or so! :(

[98stangv6]

Haven't had much time to touch the car. We had our little boy May 25th. Did some little odds and ends things last night and realized that the driver side header is touching the solid motor mount.

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[90 notch]

Nice Build. I just bought a 1994 Cobra not too long ago and It's growing on me every time I drive it.

[98stangv6]

First start up! It might be out rigged out of a gas can, but at least we know she will run.

View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/2ex93s5/5)

[98stangv6]

Well, she is running and drove around the block a few times. I only caught one plug wire boot on fire!

I wasn't able to find anything to tap into for my exciter wire, so it's on a push start right now. I think it's due to the PATS system. The theft light flashes constantly. Anyone else had this problem?

My timing is wayyyy off, time to tear the duraspark apart to see which reluctor arms it has and change the springs. Are there any duraspark gurus on here?

I hope to get it more road worthy this weekend and I will post some videos. It sounds a little bit different from the old V6.

[Gearhead]

Well, she is running and drove around the block a few times. I only caught one plug wire boot on fire!

I wasn't able to find anything to tap into for my exciter wire, so it's on a push start right now. I think it's due to the PATS system. The theft light flashes constantly. Anyone else had this problem?

My timing is wayyyy off, time to tear the duraspark apart to see which reluctor arms it has and change the springs. Are there any duraspark gurus on here?

I hope to get it more road worthy this weekend and I will post some videos. It sounds a little bit different from the old V6.

Good to hear !!! :bigthumb.

[dr59l]

Wat u wanna know bout a duraspark dizzy? Pull the Jesus clip an reluctor ring an see wat advance u got it on. If it has the 10L setting use it an set for 35* total timing an don't use vacuum advance. Should get u 14-16* base timing. If don't have 10L setting weld gap to. 357

[98stangv6]

Well I tore apart the duraspark tonight. Welded up the slot to .361". This should put it in the area of an 8L. I left the lighter factory spring on one side and put the Mr. Gasket very light spring on the other. I am afraid the full timing will come it too quickly with both Mr. Gasket springs, they are extremely light tension. I am going to start out running around 16* of initial timing, so I should have about around 32* of total timing and I will work up from there. Hopefully I am correct and this makes a noticeable difference.

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[Gearhead]

I think I saw you on 17 today around 5:15-30 ?! It sounded great if that was you !! :bigthumb

[98stangv6]

Thanks. That was me, third time it's been out, running around with no hood. Still have a lot of little bugs to work out.

[Rick93coupe]

Congrats, I'm sure you want it on the road but you'll have all winter to sort it out!

[Marks99gt]

Looking good.

[Marks99gt]

Looking good.

[98stangv6]

I've been driving the car around quite a bit. Still need to find an air cleaner that will let me use the stock hood.

Car pulls pretty well, but I still don't think it's running as good as it could. I have been learning a lot about carbs and trying my best, but am stumped right now. The car has a bad hesitation/stumble at low rpms while just cruising around. If I am at cruising speed, say in 4th gear, under 2500 rpms and attempt to easily accelerate, it's bad. I can't tell if the car is loading up, not getting enough fuel, etc. If I give it more gas it starts to pull a lot better after getting over 3k rpms.

Carb is brand new QuickFuel Slayer 600 cfm with vacuum secondary. Holley Blue electric fuel pump and regulator at 6.5 psi. Unsure what to try next.

[2Fast4You]

Could be the power valve, vacuum secondary, accelerator pump or even the accelerator pump adjustment

[98stangv6]

Ordered a spring kit for the vacuum secondary, let's see if this makes a difference.... Should've went with a 650 double pumper :(

[Marks99gt]

Nice progress. Looks real good.

[Marks99gt]

Nice progress. Looks real good.

[98stangv6]

Hopefully I tracked down the problem. I turned my idle mixture screws all the way in and nothing. Cars running really rich at idle. Time to track down a new power valve in the morning. Hopefully it makes a big difference. Hopefully someone has one in stock so I can run some TnT.

[98stangv6]

Went to TnT tonight. Best run was:

60' 1.747
1/8 8.487
1/4 13.280
MPH 102.42

Nothing to brag about, but it did better than I thought it would and it was my first time. I must say, I'm hooked. I'm already wanting that 12.999999.

[Gearhead]

Went to TnT tonight. Best run was:

60' 1.747
1/8 8.487
1/4 13.280
MPH 102.42

Nothing to brag about, but it did better than I thought it would and it was my first time. I must say, I'm hooked. I'm already wanting that 12.999999.

Nice, especially for the first time out !!!

[2Fast4You]

Good on that, glad it's starting to work out for you.

[98stangv6]

Would switching from my 600 cfm vacuum secondaries carb to a 650 Double Pumper be beneficial to my combo? Also might go with 4.30s over the winter.

[2000GT]

nice project. keep up good work!

[98stangv6]

It's been a long winter. Finally got to pull my junk out of the garage today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ-r_gtG1bk

[98stangv6]

Getting a little bored this winter...

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[draggin50]

Sounds good! Hope to see it out come spring!

[98stangv6]

Haven't updated in quite some time. I've found a few deals on some used junk and made a few changes. Bolted on a set of old Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 170 heads and switched to a new 650cfm mechanical secondaries carb. My main focus this winter has been drivetrain. My goal is to drive to the track and run on sticky tires without worrying about breaking. I acquired a TKO600 with CF dual friction clutch. I am also upgrading to a set of Moser 31 spline axles and 31 spline trac lok.

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[draggin50]

Nice parts!!! That should make a big difference!

[98stangv6]

Making a few winter changes.


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[draggin50]

I bet that will make a little bit of a difference!!!

Switching over to fuel injection also. Going with a stock computer and harness or an aftermarket set up?

[98stangv6]

I'm going to give Megasquirt MS3x a try.

[draggin50]

Gotcha. Ive never ran the Megasquirt but there are people out there that like it. As long as it is fairly easy to tune, you should be good.

[Gearhead]

I'm going to give Megasquirt MS3x a try.

Post back with how you like it etc.....I'm thinking of an aftermarket EFI for my 93, some seem overly complex to me, but I'm not the brightest for sure

[slow86fiveoh]

If you want easy to tune and simple to install check out thed stinger performance PiMP XS ecu I am running it in my turbo notch. Tunerstudio is really user friendly

[98stangv6]

I haven't updated this in awhile and the car collected dust for awhile. Watching Craig's progress, hanging out at TSR, and attending OSCR really got me motivated. The last time the car ran, NA and with a carb, it ran 13.1 and I wasn't happy. I parked it and started collecting parts. Since then, I've wanted to redo everything and do it right, within my means and still on a budget. (My detective salary doesn't go too far).

The TKO600 is in. The rear is now welded tubes, 31 spline, factory springs with one coil cut, and Metco upper now lower control arms. It's still a sbe 302 with an old set of TFS 170s and tfs1 cam. It's now fuel injection with an Aeromotive A100 pump and Siemen Deka 80s (hoping to run E85). I went with a Chinabay hot side, made the cold side, Treadstone IC, and a small Borg S366. I've really spent time getting unnecessary weight out of the car. I went with a factory replacement fox body manual rack and used a bump steer kit made by Maximum Motorsports to keep my SN95 A arms (tubular aren't in the budget yet). Converted to Strange coil overs up from with single adjustable struts.

Sticking to the budget, I'm using Megasquirt MS3x and doing a Raspberry Pi dash. This has been the biggest learning curve and the hardest for me. I am currently building the harness and learning as I go. I want to do sequential injection so I am now switching to a hall effect distributor and crank trigger. It's all foreign to me and I get lost pretty quickly. Thankfully my buddy Brad at TSR has kept me going and been super helpful. It's a slow process with major growing pains, but I'm getting there.

I still have a long way to go, but the goal is to go 10s this summer. It's definitely not breaking any records or fast by today standards by any means, but it should be a fun little budget street car. Next we split the block and have a reason to go with a Dart SHP block. :lol:

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[Maximus]

Woot!! Im glad I could be a motivator for ya!! :D