Final Running of the Dozen

[beefcake]

For the guys that were not able to drive to either cruise, or drive during craigs shootout, here is your opportunity to drive to the track and be added.

E20 has 2 Fridays left. I think we make both Fridays count, I'm sure plenty of guys will be there with the good air to confirm times.

So, Friday 10/21 and Friday 10/28.

If for some reason, weather is bad on both days, we will shoot for a Saturday E20 during November weather permitting.

Trying to give plenty of notice to give everyone an opportunity!

Times until the tracks are officially closed will still count as long as you are confirmed on the list!

[mustang_gt88]

I think you ment 10/21 and 10/28 right? Were is E20

[beefcake]

I think you ment 10/21 and 10/28 right? Were is E20

doh, you are correct

e=edge 20=water lol

[kennebellcobra]

Planning on running this Friday and hope to pull out a 10.99999:angel:

[adragon72]

i should be there this firday as well.

[mustang_gt88]

Nice e20 lol

[beefcake]

Planning on running this Friday and hope to pull out a 10.99999:angel:

well get after it

i may try to come out and punch a little better than the 9.99

doubt the track will be prepped good enough for me though :(

[KYGTP]

I just need to get my car back together by this Friday and I will be there. Don't know if I will run my best time, BUT, at least I will be back together, and running.

[Maximus]

The 8.5 guys are running, so if you can get in behind them, they should lay down some rubber for ya!:bigthumb

[beefcake]

The 8.5 guys are running, so if you can get in behind them, they should lay down some rubber for ya!:bigthumb

dem fuggers always hook good! lol

same as brandon

i need to shed about 300lbs

[Jeff88coupe]

Planning on running this Friday and hope to pull out a 10.99999:angel:

Find some more weight to pull out. You put helium in the tires yet?:lol:

[beefcake]

Find some more weight to pull out. You put helium in the tires yet?:lol:

Listen here fugger! lol.

congrats on your run btw. I was getting ready to update the list. Did you make the 2nd shootout or are you coming friday?

[Jeff88coupe]

I was at the last 8.5 limited outlaw friday night race at edgewater that you said was a qualifier and will be at the one this friday night also.

[Paul408Notch]

i need to shed about 300lbs

And drop about 500 from the car too! :bigthumb

[beefcake]

And drop about 500 from the car too! :bigthumb

btw, did i say

:flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff:

lol

[Gene]

And drop about 500 from the car too! :bigthumb

Thanks dude, I nearly spit my soda on my computer screen.

:lol:

[MrsAPE]

Paul!!!! Ice tea and lappy do not mix!!

[Capri1979]

How many post do I need before I post my time? I drove in Crags street car shoot out. Is there a set #of post before I ad my time?

[Capri1979]

Planning on running this Friday and hope to pull out a 10.99999:angel:

Good luck........

[NO SHOT]

tristate says they are going 2 weeks into nov. those days count also right

[Maximus]

tristate says they are going 2 weeks into nov. those days count also right

Got yours back together?:bigthumb

[Capri1979]

He's slacking.

[NO SHOT]

Got yours back together?:bigthumb

I should get my stuff back in a couple days!!:D

[Capri1979]

LMK, I will there to help.

[NO SHOT]

as always:bigthumb

[Capri1979]

The question is when is Maximus going to get his new rocket ship together?

[Maximus]

The question is when is Maximus going to get his new rocket ship together?

When I have all my shit needed to put it together, Ill start.

and its not going to be a Rocket Ship. High 9 sec, 6 speed will do just fine.

[Capri1979]

OK, just asking dont yell.

[beefcake]

How many post do I need before I post my time? I drove in Crags street car shoot out. Is there a set #of post before I ad my time?

it'll be next year to make the DD,

just stick around and continue posting

[Capri1979]

What do you mean?

[NO SHOT]

You never mind to help.Heck it took us longer to start it then it did putting it in last time.LOL!!

[NO SHOT]

What do you mean?

waiting...........

[NO SHOT]

wow lol!!!!:eek:

[Capri1979]

The thing is I've been a member since 2009 using the name HDNEMO. I have been trying to get my pass word set back for some months now. Can be verified by Maximus he even sent some emails to someone and they never responded. So I just created another screen name. I met all the require ments per the rules, drove in the street car shoot out Beekcake rembers that. I can help it that my access was messed up and when I requested some help it wasnt given the proper support from Stangebangerz team so I could make some post post. Im not trying to be sneaky and post at the last minute just being honest.

[NO SHOT]

where'd my post go?

Its magic!!:bigthumb

[dsmawd350]

maybe even what i would say conflict of interest. a guy wanting badly to be at the top of the dozen, running the dozen.....

[beefcake]

What do you mean?
Originally Posted by vinny5oh
Here ya go.....

-A Participating member of Stangbangerz.
**That means, you show up to SBZ events and get-togethers.

**AND**

**you are an active member on Stangbangerz forums (posting 100 things for sale is NOT an active member)


2 or 3 weeks does not make a participating member.

there is no problem with you getting on the dd, but it will be after you have been a member for more than a day

coming in the last couple weeks of the year and becoming a post whore would not make for an "active member"

[Capri1979]

I dont want to get nothing started. Just want to be rewarded for all the hard work that my family and I have done together. Its not my fault the someone on this site never assisted me with getting my account set up proerly. Hell I had to use NOSHOTs access to sell a ton of parts on here and do my post under his name.

[Capri1979]

Where are you missing I have been a member since 2009?

[beefcake]

maybe even what i would say conflict of interest. a guy wanting badly to be at the top of the dozen, running the dozen.....

i do not "run" the dozen. I update the list.

the moderators / admins run the dozen.

this is a mustang site, the majority of us happen to own mustangs and race them. I cannot help it that my mustang isn't a 12 / 13 second car.

there is 0 conflict here. if i sold the car tomorrow, the results would be no different.

this stuff happens every year. if you want to be on the list, join and participate. it's cut and dry.

[NO SHOT]

I dont want to get nothing started. Just want to be rewarded for all the hard work that my family and I have done together. Its not my fault the someone on this site never assisted me with getting my account set up proerly. Hell I had to use NOSHOTs access to sell a ton of parts on here and do my post under his name.

You my friend are a post whore LoL!!!

[beefcake]

Where are you missing I have been a member since 2009?

Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 36

[Capri1979]

As I stated before Ive been a member since 2009. Look it up. HDNEMO. Its not my fault that this site didnt give me as a user the proper support.

[Capri1979]

first warning

[beefcake]

As I stated before Ive been a member since 2009. Look it up. HDNEMO. Its not my fault that this site didnt give me as a user the proper support.

i'm not sure what you mean, under the other username it shows 0 posts.

I'm just going by what i'm seeing

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[Capri1979]

Inflamatory Posts and threats have 0 tolerance.

you've got 2 in one thread

1 more and you won't have to worry, as you will be banned.

[Capri1979]

Its now my fault that the site dropped the ball and didnt properly support a user?

[NO SHOT]

he is saying he registered a long time ago and he couldnt log in

[beefcake]

The thing is I've been a member since 2009 using the name HDNEMO. I have been trying to get my pass word set back for some months now. Can be verified by Maximus he even sent some emails to someone and they never responded. So I just created another screen name. I met all the require ments per the rules, drove in the street car shoot out Beekcake rembers that. I can help it that my access was messed up and when I requested some help it wasnt given the proper support from Stangebangerz team so I could make some post post. Im not trying to be sneaky and post at the last minute just being honest.

just found this post.

i am not an admin, so i cannot speak for your account. 2 years is a long time to not be able to get a password reset. or to setup a 2nd username

[Capri1979]

thanks Bill.

[Capri1979]

Who makes the final decision on this you? If I was going make a 2nd user name I wouldnt have waited until now.

[NO SHOT]

just found this post.

i am not an admin, so i cannot speak for your account. 2 years is a long time to not be able to get a password reset. or to setup a 2nd username

he actually asked maximus about it several times

[Capri1979]

Yes, Craig can verify for me on that.

[beefcake]

he actually asked maximus about it several times

I have no control over the admin aspects of the site.

obviously if it was important, 2 years is some time to wait on a password.

[Maximus]

he actually asked maximus about it several times


Yes, Craig can verify for me on that.

This is true. I screwed up and got busy with other things and didnt ask Paul to look into till a week or two ago.:o

[NO SHOT]

This is true. I screwed up and got busy with other things and didnt ask Paul to look into till a week or two ago.:o

jacker lol!!

[Maximus]

jacker lol!!

Sorry, family and work comes first.:flipoff:

[NO SHOT]

Sorry, family and work comes first.:flipoff:

family yea....but ive seen you work lol!!:bigthumb

[Maximus]

family yea....but ive seen you work lol!!:bigthumb

ZING!!!:lol::flipoff:

[beefcake]

Who makes the final decision on this you? If I was going make a 2nd user name I wouldnt have waited until now.

no, if there is a time that is under discussion, the mods and admins discuss it.

i update the list per the rules.

i have no problem asking about your time.

when a new time is posted, the first thing i do is look at a post count and registration date.

with your current username just being registered and starting to be used, and your previous having 0 posts. i can only go by what i see.

There are several moderators and admins that can handle setting up a password. I regularly see posts in the moderator section where someone is asking about someone who is trying to register / get their username. or posts in the help section by a friend asking about their buddy who is trying to get on. I searched for HDNEMO and I can find no posts for any help in regards to your username

So again, I can only go by what I have seen. Not saying Bill didn't ask Craig, but their is a site section help and many mods admins

I will also point out, threats and personal attacks don't go very far. I am doing a job that NOBODY wants to do, as it constantly leads to headache and grief.

[Capri1979]

understand, I have asked to be removed from the site.

[beefcake]

understand, I have asked to be removed from the site.

There is no need for that. We are a community brought together mainly by our love for the mustangs / racing etc..

Stick around, hang out, post, come to the events, and top the list.

you've got a car that can do it.

[05yellowgt]

As I stated before Ive been a member since 2009. Look it up. HDNEMO. Its not my fault that this site didnt give me as a user the proper support.
Whom did you contact? We've changed email addresses a couple of times in the last few years so I can only look back as far as Feb of this year and I dont see anything sent to webmaster@stangbangerz.com regarding your current account or the HDNEMO account? I also checked the moderators forum and see nothing mentioned there about your account. I can get both your accounts squared away, merge the accounts, using which ever name you prefer. We did have an email problem for the last few months that we were able to fix last week, but the email password reset system has been working otherwise, so you should have been able to reset your password for your original account as well.

I'm here to help.

[Capri1979]

Thanks, for your help. But does this keep off getting on the DD? Who makes that decision

[Rick93coupe]

Since I'm not a contender It doesn't affect me in any way. I think the bigger point they were trying to make is that, even if you were a 10 yr member, if you never posted or showed up to events you're not eligible.

[beefcake]

Since I'm not a contender It doesn't affect me in any way. I think the bigger point they were trying to make is that, even if you were a 10 yr member, if you never posted or showed up to events you're not eligible.

yes, "participating member" is the wording vinny used, and specifically said, not just using the forums for selling stuff.

i welcome as many new members as possible. and that time would more than likely take the spot next year, but the posting does not warrant it for this year.

it's got nothing with me trying to stay "on top"

as soon as bills car is running again, he will bump up, and as soon as jeff gets some kind of a cruise in on his car, he will go above that.

like ricky bobby said "if your not first, your last" what difference would 3 vs 4 make to me?? 0, but, it would bump whoever is # 12 off the list, when they have participated, and been here. it's not about me, it's more about the #12 guy.

[5.0calypso93lx]

Somethin' ain't right because I know for a fact I've seen some posts from an hdnemo username before. And in advance, I've never met this guy in my entire life.

[beefcake]

Somethin' ain't right because I know for a fact I've seen some posts from an hdnemo username before. And in advance, I've never met this guy in my entire life.

he posts on the other boards under the name, extremestreetcars for one

[Capri1979]

I said I didnt give a fuck about the DD.

[beefcake]

are you referring to the warnings from last night from me?


quit fucking warning me I will see you @ the track friday.

[05yellowgt]

Thanks, for your help. But does this keep off getting on the DD? Who makes that decision
No single person makes the decision. It is a group effort any time there are questions so that there aren't any favorites being played, or someone can't try to keep someone else off the list to protect their position.

[Capri1979]

what do you suggest. I dont have time to play games with this.

[stocknotch]

Tim has been to all the scs races. I believe these count. And I think beefcake has a personal vendetta with Tim judging by past posts when Tim trailered beefcake at the spring scs

[beefcake]

Tim has been to all the scs races. I believe these count. And I think beefcake has a personal vendetta with Tim judging by past posts when Tim trailered beefcake at the spring scs

I have 0 vendetta against Tim.

All the stuff with the trailering started out as good fun and jabbing. Some people take things too serious.

The car runs great, and the car is fast. If it runs on the street and goes 8's that is very very respectable.

I post up the times for the list. It is not my final decision whom is on and off the list. As I said, when I update the list. I look at member time, post count, events, etc..

There are 0 posts for the hdnemo name, and the capri name was just registered and started posting yesterday. This does not make an active "Stangbangerz member". It just does not. So, it's out of my hands and up to the Admin and other mods. John has already stated he has not been contacted by anyone in reference to the hdnemo name, so, if you have a problem, talk to him. It's not me.

Beeny boy for example is a friend of mine. As he has not participated on the board enough. He will not make the list this year.

Jeff is a friend of mine, he has not "driven" during the cruise or scs yet. The car came out late in the year. So, it will have to prove it's street worthiness before the end of the year as well.

If I was showing favoritism, Jeff and Benny would be on the list already.

That's not how it works. I update the list per the rules. If there is a question on any of the times. It's up to the admin / mods as a group, as John has already said.

Everyone bitches at me, because i update a friggin excel database. It's not "Beefcake's" dozen, it's Stangbangerz Dirty Dozen.

It's the same thing that happens every year at the end of the year. EVERY YEAR.

[Capri1979]

I dont think Beefcake has anything against me. Its funny that Ive tried to get access and didnt get it. Will one all the admins get together and LMK. Yes or NO.

[05yellowgt]

Tim has been to all the scs races. I believe these count. And I think beefcake has a personal vendetta with Tim judging by past posts when Tim trailered beefcake at the spring scs
That's not the case here at all. Terry doesn't own the dozen, he only updates this thread and keeps the list accurate. Decisions regarding eligibility for the dozen are not under any one persons control, we make a group decision if there are any potential issues. This eliminates any bias or personal issues. Tim (Capri1979) hasn't been posting on this board actively till last night. He was posting under someone elses name (which wouldn't count), but I can't find any attempts to PM me or another admin, or open up a thread in the help section, or email the board via the contact us link to request his password reset.

The bottom line here is that though he may have participated in SCS events and maybe others that would qualify him for the Dozen, he hasn't been an active member of the board till last night (at least officially).

I'm fairly certain that after some more of the mods weigh in with each other that we are going to not allow him on the Dozen this year. This doesn't take away from the hard work that he put into his car, or mean that we don't want him to be a part of the SBZ family. Stick around, have fun with us and lets see you at near the top of the list for the 2012 dozen.

[stocknotch]

And Jeff goes to everything. Where does it say your dd must attend? This is why no one fast posts up there ets the list has lost its sense of value with all the "rules" seems like there is to much time spent keeping guys off the list.

[beefcake]

And Jeff goes to everything. Where does it say your dd must attend? This is why no one fast posts up there ets the list has lost its sense of value with all the "rules" seems like there is to much time spent keeping guys off the list.

The rules have not changed. They are the same rules vinny had, it's pretty simple in a sum up. Come to "SBZ Events" and be a "participating" member on the board.

Vinny's idea was around true street. A 30 mile cruise and run the car.

When Craig started up the new Shootouts, we added the shootout as a Stangbanger event as well. Although the cruise falls short with only being 15 miles, we are still counting it.

I do believe the cruise range should be doubled in the future, but it's not my event.

I will post it again, as it seems I always have to several times at the end of the year.

Vinny's rules, not mine or anyone elses.



Here ya go.....

Also, you can expect things to shake out at the end of this season to level the street-car vs race-car issue. We're going to pick a test and tune day at the end of the season, have all potential dozen members meet at a set location and DRIVE to the track and make passes. This will weed out the 5 gallon fuel cell race cars, prove their street credibility as well as keep the list local. If you can't make a test and tune session around here then you aren't local. We may recquire that all dozen list members attend the fall cruise-in as well to once again prove their street creds as well as their involvement with this site. We don't need one-post-wonders claiming to be a SBZ member, making the cut and leaving somebody off the list with more of a street car and more time on this site.

So with that, I'll start the first round.
"His car isn't really a street car" is something I hear a lot. Problem is, everybody's opinion on what a true street car is will be different. As the rules sit right now, a street car is defined as having license, tags and insurance. I made it this way only to parallel the NMRA Wild Street definition. This is probably the toughest one to call so making these cars come out on the street to stay on the list will make things more fair in my opinion. This can be accomplished by requiring the cars to drive to the track at least once and/or showing up at our big cruise-ins.

Remember kids, this is for fun, bragging rights and a decal....nothing more. No big money prizes, no sponsorship deals, no trophies....just some good ole boys bringing out their cars and putting a beating on 1320 feet of tarmac!

Thanks for reading

-A Participating member of Stangbangerz.
**That means, you show up to SBZ events and get-togethers.

**AND**

**you are an active member on Stangbangerz forums (posting 100 things for sale is NOT an active member)


Vinny wanted street cars, period! For as long as I am here, I will fight to keep the dozen the way Vinny wanted it, and no one else.

[Capri1979]

That's not the case here at all. Terry doesn't own the dozen, he only updates this thread and keeps the list accurate. Decisions regarding eligibility for the dozen are not under any one persons control, we make a group decision if there are any potential issues. This eliminates any bias or personal issues. Tim (Capri1979) hasn't been posting on this board actively till last night. He was posting under someone elses name (which wouldn't count), but I can't find any attempts to PM me or another admin, or open up a thread in the help section, or email the board via the contact us link to request his password reset.

The bottom line here is that though he may have participated in SCS events and maybe others that would qualify him for the Dozen, he hasn't been an active member of the board till last night (at least officially).

I'm fairly certain that after some more of the mods weigh in with each other that we are going to not allow him on the Dozen this year. This doesn't take away from the hard work that he put into his car, or mean that we don't want him to be a part of the SBZ family. Stick around, have fun with us and lets see you at near the top of the list for the 2012 dozen.

So if I can find my older emails that I sent to reset my pass word Im good to go.

[Capri1979]

Here is an attempt in May 2011.

Dear hdnemo,

You have requested to reset your password on StangBangerz Forums because you have forgotten your password. If you did not request this, please ignore it. It will expire and become useless in 24 hours time.

To reset your password, please visit the following page:
http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/login.php?a=pwd&u=10789&i=1aba78597cd6079f054993818fe1271a6a6eb1a8

When you visit that page, your password will be reset, and the new password will be emailed to you.

Your username is: hdnemo

To edit your profile, go to this page:
http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/profile.php?do=editprofile

All the best,
StangBangerz Forums


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[stocknotch]

The rules have not changed. They are the same rules vinny had, it's pretty simple in a sum up. Come to "SBZ Events" and be a "participating" member on the board.

Vinny's idea was around true street. A 30 mile cruise and run the car.

When Craig started up the new Shootouts, we added the shootout as a Stangbanger event as well. Although the cruise falls short with only being 15 miles, we are still counting it.

I do believe the cruise range should be doubled in the future, but it's not my event.

I will post it again, as it seems I always have to several times at the end of the year.

Vinny's rules, not mine or anyone elses.

[b]

Vinny wanted street cars, period! For as long as I am here, I will fight to keep the dozen the way Vinny wanted it, and no one else.yeah but vinny didn't run the dd with an iron fist like it is now. Vinny was a racer and hell would have to have froze over before he would have told jeff he didn't make the cut. This is why your guys dd gets slower every year and guys like me don't post our times.

[05yellowgt]

Here is an attempt in May 2011.

Dear hdnemo,

You have requested to reset your password on StangBangerz Forums because you have forgotten your password. If you did not request this, please ignore it. It will expire and become useless in 24 hours time.

To reset your password, please visit the following page:
http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/login.php?a=pwd&u=10789&i=1aba78597cd6079f054993818fe1271a6a6eb1a8

When you visit that page, your password will be reset, and the new password will be emailed to you.

Your username is: hdnemo

To edit your profile, go to this page:
http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/profile.php?do=editprofile

All the best,
StangBangerz Forums


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Ok, you got the email, what happened after that?

[Capri1979]

It would not let me log on.


OK, click reset password and whatch what it does. Thats what it done nothing. You can try it and you will see.

[dsmawd350]

yeah but vinny didn't run the dd with an iron fist like it is now. Vinny was a racer and hell would have to have froze over before he would have told jeff he didn't make the cut. This is why your guys dd gets slower every year and guys like me don't post our times.

x100000000 :rockon:

[Capri1979]

yeah but vinny didn't run the dd with an iron fist like it is now. Vinny was a racer and hell would have to have froze over before he would have told jeff he didn't make the cut. This is why your guys dd gets slower every year and guys like me don't post our times.

stocknotch, your right this site is a pain in the ass. I will stay on Extreme Street Cars where its straight foward.

Need to set up a race between Extreme and Stangbangerz. That would be funny.

[dsmawd350]

imo why not let the list govern itself. if the members/racers see someone they dont think belongs let them point it out.

IMO the list was originally something fun and cool to have a friendly competition and show off some of the fastest mustangs in the tri-state. Vinny was a working class cool ass racer and if someone had to work 6 days a week 52 weeks a year to support their familys and couldnt make it out in their sponsored magazine featured race car every weekend. but bullshitted in the garage with other mustang enthusiasts/ members of this site, had his car tuned at and supported local speed shops that support this site, made it out one day a month to go race and have fun etc. I'm pretty damn sure he'd be on the list. And not having enough posts to be on the list what a joke. Just because you post on an internet forum while you sit around all day at your desk job doesnt make you any better than maybe someone who doesnt have a fancy laptop and wireless internet, maybe some racers post up when they get a chance to use the computer at a friends house or library, but still spend countless late nights in the garage with more members of this site than other who "make the list"

just a bunch of drama and BS if you ask me. turning something fun into some strict ass retarded rule filled bullshit.

you cant get around the fact that almost none of the "fast" guys even bother posting up for the dozen anymore. Why do you think that is Terry?

[05yellowgt]

It would not let me log on.


OK, click reset password and whatch what it does. Thats what it done nothing. You can try it and you will see.
Did you try the link within 24 hours of getting the email? As the email says, that link is only good for 24 hours. I just went through the entire pwd reset process on my side on my own account for shits and giggles.

When you click the pwd reset link you will get an email with the link that is good for 24 hours. Click that link and your pwd is instantly reset and you are logged on. You get a 2nd email with your new pwd and you can either use that or go to your User CP and reset your pwd.

[beefcake]

imo why not let the list govern itself. if the members/racers see someone they dont think belongs let them point it out.

IMO the list was originally something fun and cool to have a friendly competition and show off some of the fastest mustangs in the tri-state. Vinny was a working class cool ass racer and if someone had to work 6 days a week 52 weeks a year to support their familys and couldnt make it out in their sponsored magazine featured race car every weekend. but bullshitted in the garage with other mustang enthusiasts/ members of this site, had his car tuned at and supported local speed shops that support this site, made it out one day a month to go race and have fun etc. I'm pretty damn sure he'd be on the list. And not having enough posts to be on the list what a joke. Just because you post on an internet forum while you sit around all day at your desk job doesnt make you any better than maybe someone who doesnt have a fancy laptop and wireless internet, maybe some racers post up when they get a chance to use the computer at a friends house or library, but still spend countless late nights in the garage with more members of this site than other who "make the list"

just a bunch of drama and BS if you ask me. turning something fun into some strict ass retarded rule filled bullshit.

you cant get around the fact that almost none of the "fast" guys even bother posting up for the dozen anymore. Why do you think that is Terry?

why are you asking me, i don't control the times?

His rules are what I posted. Not mine. And Vinny was actually pretty strict when it came to the rules. whether it be the dozen, threatening people, just being an asshole, etc..

The only problem that ever arrises on the list is with people that aren't included by "Vinny's rules".

I 100% think Jeff should be on the list. But, the car just came out after not being ran at all this year. And has not been on the street yet. It simply needs to do some kind of a cruise and he'll be on.

Jeff is one of the oldest members like myself and I consider Jeff a friend. You can't just run a number in a car that has never been out on the street and say it's a street car. That's why Vinny made the rules he did.

He specifically said it needs to prove itself at least once, if not 2 times per year.

VINNY SAID IT, not me.

[dsmawd350]

im simply asking you what you think. WHY have so many people decided to not participate in the dozen?

[beefcake]

im simply asking you what you think. WHY have so many people decided to not participate in the dozen?

I have no idea who has decided not to "participate". The only times I know, are the times that people post. Not the times that aren't posted.

It really is a pretty simple process. Come out and hang out once or twice a year, participate on the fourums throughout the year. Run a number, post it up.

Why everyone overcomplicates it, I have no idea. I have never had a problem with making a cruise in or 2 a year. Running the car, hangin out on the fourms. Hanging out with friends.

I've got together several times with guys from the board outside of the forums at the track, and just hangin out bs'ing.

It should be easy and fun.

At the end of the year, as long as I remember, people jump on the board that either just joined, or joined, and made 10 posts in the for sale section, came to no cruises, and want to be on the list.

If it and the community is important to you. Be here. You don't have to be here everyday, but drop by once a week for 10 or 15 minutes and see what's going on.

[Capri1979]

imo why not let the list govern itself. if the members/racers see someone they dont think belongs let them point it out.

IMO the list was originally something fun and cool to have a friendly competition and show off some of the fastest mustangs in the tri-state. Vinny was a working class cool ass racer and if someone had to work 6 days a week 52 weeks a year to support their familys and couldnt make it out in their sponsored magazine featured race car every weekend. but bullshitted in the garage with other mustang enthusiasts/ members of this site, had his car tuned at and supported local speed shops that support this site, made it out one day a month to go race and have fun etc. I'm pretty damn sure he'd be on the list. And not having enough posts to be on the list what a joke. Just because you post on an internet forum while you sit around all day at your desk job doesnt make you any better than maybe someone who doesnt have a fancy laptop and wireless internet, maybe some racers post up when they get a chance to use the computer at a friends house or library, but still spend countless late nights in the garage with more members of this site than other who "make the list"

just a bunch of drama and BS if you ask me. turning something fun into some strict ass retarded rule filled bullshit.

you cant get around the fact that almost none of the "fast" guys even bother posting up for the dozen anymore. Why do you think that is Terry?

I agree, should take a poll and let the members make the desicion who should or shouldnt be on the list. Just because you dont have enough post is silly. Its about the guys and their cars not about texting each other like little school girls. How about we take a poll and get the real answer. It needs to be about the guys and the cars.

[Capri1979]

Did you try the link within 24 hours of getting the email? As the email says, that link is only good for 24 hours. I just went through the entire pwd reset process on my side on my own account for shits and giggles.

When you click the pwd reset link you will get an email with the link that is good for 24 hours. Click that link and your pwd is instantly reset and you are logged on. You get a 2nd email with your new pwd and you can either use that or go to your User CP and reset your pwd.

Thats the issue I never recieved a 2nd email. But what funny last nite after I was on here for a while. I done it again and recieved the email you are talking about. When you stated that the site had some issues what were they?

[beefcake]

I agree, should take a poll and let the members make the desicion who should or shouldnt be on the list. Just because you dont have enough post is silly. Its about the guys and their cars not about texting each other like little school girls. How about we take a poll and get the real answer. It needs to be about the guys and the cars.

Just playing devils advocate. If it's not about the site and posting, then why not just the guys that want to hang out together get a little piece of paper and write down who they want in their group and who is the fastest, and have their own dozen and not worry about the web board.

In the end, their has to be some guidelines to follow. There just has to.

[cstreu1026]

Why does this same bullshit come up every damn year. If this site sucks and you don't like the rules then don't participate. Its that simple.

[leroy93lx]

I am curious of this...... If you were allowed to use times from Bowling Green and Columbus, Does that mean times from Muncie Dragway would be counted also? It is closer than Columbus from Cincy I think. Not really localized. Just curious. Carry on!

[beefcake]

I am curious of this...... If you were allowed to use times from Bowling Green and Columbus, Does that mean times from Muncie Dragway would be counted also? It is closer than Columbus from Cincy I think. Not really localized. Just curious. Carry on!

Like Craig said before, Vinny used to like to get guys together and hit those 2 NMRA events.

That's why we decided to use them again.

[mad max]

Why does this same bullshit come up every damn year. If this site sucks and you don't like the rules then don't participate. Its that simple.

I agree with this statement. This is kinda what destroyed our hillsboro days because it became who had the biggest wallet or who wanted to go in debt the most. The thing that brought us all together ended up destroying our friendships because of dumb shit like this. If your proud of your hard work and the time you spent great , why does being number 1 on some internet forum hold so much power ?

[beefcake]

im simply asking you what you think. WHY have so many people decided to not participate in the dozen?

The more I think about this, after reading the last couple posts, I can say it's because of the drama imho.

Every year, at the end of the year, this same stupid crap happens. The last couple years, it's me catching all the grief, for keeping a friggin database. I know Craig got fed up and didn't want to deal with it.

If people who didn't (and know they didn't) do what was needed to be on the list, their would be 0 drama!

[Maximus]

When Im sober, Ill post a response.

Everyone, is missing the point.
:eek::flipoff:

[stocknotch]

Why does this same bullshit come up every damn year. If this site sucks and you don't like the rules then don't participate. Its that simple.

Your right and that's what's going on. The real dozen doesn't post so you have a second string list. Guys stick around hoping one day the site will resemble what it once was.

[cstreu1026]

Then why come here year and after year, bitch about the rules, and stir up a bunch of shit. Its exactly that kind of behavior that has driven long time members away from here.

[stocknotch]

That's not the reason they've left.

[stocknotch]

This isn't my battle so I'm going to step back. But last year I myself had to run naked through magic kingdom to get my time posted up.

[cstreu1026]

You can keep telling yourself that if you want. There are quite a few long time members that don't come here any more or don't post anymore. I know of at least a couple that got fed up with allt he BS drama over shit like this.

[stocknotch]

And most just switched to racing web sites like this used to be.

[05yellowgt]

Thats the issue I never recieved a 2nd email. But what funny last nite after I was on here for a while. I done it again and recieved the email you are talking about. When you stated that the site had some issues what were they?
The only issue was emails not being sent. But since you got the first email you did it while there wasn't an issue. If you clicked the link within 24 hours then you'd have had your pwd reset and had the 2nd email sent to you. If you clicked it after 24 hours then obviously it wouldn't work.

Based on that, it wasn't a site problem that kept you from resetting your pwd.

[beefcake]

It's funny how people want to bust my balls since I am posting the list. Craig included. The person updating the list is always "hated upon"

It's like no one remembers why Craig didn't want to do the list anymore. It was specifically because of this same thing.

All the bitching and complaining and people hating on the person trying to adhere to the rules.

The rules and my opinions have not changed since day 1! I guess now that Craig is the advocate for Middletown and doesn't want to take the heat, that I am left standing alone.

If we look back though at people not coming to "Stangbanger" events or posting on the forums.


My 9 year old can understand better than this guy....

Ok Paul, follow closely.

GAC was NOT a Stangbangerz event. Although, I appreciate you guys showing up.:bigthumb




Its not fair to all the guys who support this site and show up to events...
Scott has a very streetable, good looking Stang, but if he cant make the effort to show up to at least one Stangbangerz event or contribute something useful to the site, then why should he be on the list?

Everyone else on the list has been to The Spring and Fall Crusie ins and/or running of the ponys. Hell a couple have made ALL the events and are regular posters in here.

Either way...:popcorn:


He doesnt post, he doesnt show up to any SBZ events, he doesnt support SBZ....

You are correct.



Since you guys "dont post here very much" why are you still here?

As for Scott, noone is questioning his Stang nor what track it runs at. ( We have quite a few Dayton & Middletown guys that come to the evevts) The issue is He has not been an active member till he gets threatend off the Dozen. That looks like he is here to only be on the list and contribute nothing to the site.

An "honorable mention" should be made

If he has a geniune interest in SBZ, then he will post (valid posts not post whoring) and maybe bring his Stang to some events or even just show up. Then he can be eligible for the DD 2007.



I really dont see what is so hard here...You support SBZ by showing up to SBZ events and/or be an active member on the boards.



6) Must be a current active member of StangBangerz.com.
7) [b]Must attend at least one of the Cruise ins[b], at least one of the Dozen Shoot outs and possibly another Running of the Ponys.

Thats MY opinion:)

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[Timido]

You are taking a quote out of context with the driving in the street thing. What is being quoted was vinnys idea of a cool stret car race . The Dozen was created to get people off their asses and get them to the track to talk a little smack and have fun.

[beefcake]

You are taking a quote out of context with the driving in the street thing. What is being quoted was vinnys idea of a cool stret car race . The Dozen was created to get people off their asses and get them to the track to talk a little smack and have fun.

I agree, I am not sure what is being taken out of context.

All those quotes were in reference to the same thing. A person that had posted up a time on the dozen, and had never posted on the site or been to a Stangbanger event.

[Whyucryn]

Yayyyyy Beefcake is #1.....Yayyyyyyyyy!!!!! Now he can post he was #1 on the sbz DD in his next magazine shoot!! After finishing on top of the DD maybe he can get even more sponsors!!! Yayyyyyyy for Beefcake!!!!!!


P.S. Hey Beefcake, you ever thought maybe the reason the real fast guys quit posting is because they didn't want to deal with your crybaby ass every time they post a time??? Maybe you should get off your high horse of thinking your somebody just because you take care of the DD and hand it over to someone that's not a jackass so it can be ran right. Maybe then you'll have your real dozen back....Just a thought!

[beefcake]

Yayyyyy Beefcake is #1.....Yayyyyyyyyy!!!!! Now he can post he was #1 on the sbz DD in his next magazine shoot!! After finishing on top of the DD maybe he can get even more sponsors!!! Yayyyyyyy for Beefcake!!!!!!


P.S. Hey Beefcake, you ever thought maybe the reason the real fast guys quit posting is because they didn't want to deal with your crybaby ass every time they post a time??? Maybe you should get off your high horse of thinking your somebody just because you take care of the DD and hand it over to someone that's not a jackass so it can be ran right. Maybe then you'll have your real dozen back....Just a thought!

It's amazing that people simply can not read.

I DO NOT RUN THE DOZEN. I update the database list. That is all.

I'll be more than happy to let Dave, or John or someone else update the database next year. That way I don't have to take all the fukin grief that pops up the end of the year like every year. Then, whomever is the one posting up the list, can listen to everyone bitch and complain and tell them to pass the list to someone else. Just like every year.

IT's NOT MY LIST. IT"S THE STANGBANGERZ LIST. I AM NOT THE ONE WHO DECIDES WHO IS ON OR OFF THE LIST. ALL OF THE MODS AND ADMINS DECIDE. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUKING SKULL.

I was not on the top of the list until a break last week. As soon as NOSHOT reruns, and Jeff gets on the street, they will both move up on the list.

[Whyucryn]

I vote for either Tim Duncan (Timido) or Jeff (jeffs88coupe) to run the DD next year. Both of these guys are stand up guys and respectful to everyone equally. I think everyone on here respects both members and respect goes a long way. I'm sure there is others that would do a great job but these two get my vote. Beefcake, noone likes you.....GTFO!!!!

[cstreu1026]

I don't care who runs it next year it will be the same whining and bitching over a sticker next year.

[beefcake]

I vote for either Tim Duncan (Timido) or Jeff (jeffs88coupe) to run the DD next year. Both of these guys are stand up guys and respectful to everyone equally. I think everyone on here respects both members and respect goes a long way. I'm sure there is others that would do a great job but these two get my vote. Beefcake, noone likes you.....GTFO!!!!

Craig was pretty well respected too, that didn't stop the bitching and complaining when he was updating the list.

It doesn't matter who does it. And again, I could give a shit who does it next year. It's been the same pattern every year since we've had the list. Even when Vinny was here there was the same drama and people bitching about.

And it's for the exact same reasons now as it was then. It has nothing absolutely nothing to do with who updates the list. It has to do with people who know they don't qualify, posting times to be on the list, and then the bandwagoner / trouble makers jumping on board stirring the pot.

It is 100% that simple!

[beefcake]

I don't care who runs it next year it will be the same whining and bitching over a sticker next year.

You beat me to it.

[Maximus]

It's funny how people want to bust my balls since I am posting the list. Craig included. The person updating the list is always "hated upon"
You should be use to it by now.

It's like no one remembers why Craig didn't want to do the list anymore. It was specifically because of this same thing.

Actually I figured it would be a conflict of interest between shops and was trying to avoid conflict by staying neutral in the hopes that more people would post their time. I was guessing if someone doesnt like me, then why would they post if I was "maintaining" the list

All the bitching and complaining and people hating on the person trying to adhere to the rules.
Been like that from day 1, you knew what you were in for.

The rules and my opinions have not changed since day 1! I guess now that Craig is the advocate for Middletown and doesn't want to take the heat, that I am left standing alone.

So you decided to drudge up OLD posts to try and take me down with you? Nice proof of character. Since when am I a "middletown" advocate? If you look at most of the current M-town guys, most of them are supporting other shops, which is fine, but dont think I am out helping any certain group.

If we look back though at people not coming to "Stangbanger" events or posting on the forums.
Ill be the first to admit that I dont show up to SBZ events like I use to. There are many factors that support my decision, but mainly, I HAVE A FAMILY WHO I LOVE SPENDING TIME WITH would be the #1 reason


Have a nice day.

[beefcake]

Have a nice day.

I am used to it.

I don't know what updating the list has to do with shops, but okay.

I did 100% know what I was in for.

I am not trying to "drag you down". I was making a point that from day one, it's been this way just like you said, even when you were updating the list. And that you had the exact same stance that I, and most of the mods / admins / vinny had about who should be on the list. People seem to forget this though.

I was also trying to make a point that even when someone "respected" as some like to call it, is maintaining the list, this crap still happens. Hell, Vinny was the most respected person on the site, and it still happened when he was here.

So, next year, I will pass the torch to whomever wants to become the next willing victim and after a year or 2, they too will get tired of it, just as you did, and as I have and want to move on from it.

[Rick93coupe]

K.I.S.S, just kill the dozen, problem goes away. This shit is so juvenile.

[Maximus]

K.I.S.S, just kill the dozen, problem goes away. This shit is so juvenile.

Looks like it

[jktruckin06]

I know I am a newb to the tenth degree and have not yet participated much on the forum or been to any cruise ins, so my opinion should be mostly unbiased. Why not make the Dirty Dozen thread where times are listed only available to people with a certain post count? Kind of like the classifieds. You could set any amount of posts as a minimum and people could post their times and list members who witnessed the run throughout the season. At the end, all the moderators could figure out the top times and make one list. One post that tells the winners. Like you guys said, it is what it is. If someone is truly concerned about a sticker with their position, just get one that says "legend in own mind". This is not directed towards any one person, just the situation. Maybe a possible fix. The Dirty Dozen should not go away. Just my .2 :rockon:

[Rick93coupe]

You guys need to quit making this shit so difficult. Why not just run a dirty dozen true street event at the end of the year? You set a date and have everyone show up and unload if needed. Go on a street cruise and prove your road worthiness and come back and run em. If you can't make it to the running of the dozen you just don't make it on the list. I mean how simple is that? Obviously If you didn't make it to the NMRA race in BG you couldn't place there, so what's the difference? If you do it this way, everyone is working / tuning / testing, their cars throughout the yr and at the end the baddest boys get the props.
As far as showing up to events. Is it realistic that someone should have to take a vacation day from work to show up? I worked most every Sat and Sun this summer and barely had time to take a dump. I didn't make it to any get togethers, but I consider myself to be a participating member of the site. Should that kill my eligibility?

[fasthawk]

Here's my take, the dd has been the most accurate in the last 2 years due to the faster guys not posting there times BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT STREET CARS.Yes they can be driven on the street for a 30 mile cruise but they are not legit street cars .

[Maximus]

You guys need to quit making this shit so difficult. Why not just run a dirty dozen true street event at the end of the year? You set a date and have everyone show up and unload if needed. Go on a street cruise and prove your road worthiness and come back and run em. If you can't make it to the running of the dozen you just don't make it on the list. I mean how simple is that? Obviously If you didn't make it to the NMRA race in BG you couldn't place there, so what's the difference? If you do it this way, everyone is working / tuning / testing, their cars throughout the yr and at the end the baddest boys get the props.
As far as showing up to events. Is it realistic that someone should have to take a vacation day from work to show up? I worked most every Sat and Sun this summer and barely had time to take a dump. I didn't make it to any get togethers, but I consider myself to be a participating member of the site. Should that kill my eligibility?

Ok, so how are you going to make the "Race" on a Sat or Sun when you have to work? Just ONE of the problems we run into.

[Maximus]

Here's my take, the dd has been the most accurate in the last 2 years due to the faster guys not posting there times BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT STREET CARS.Yes they can be driven on the street for a 30 mile cruise but they are not legit street cars .

The What a street car is and what isnt a streetcar debate is old.

[Rick93coupe]

Here's my take, the dd has been the most accurate in the last 2 years due to the faster guys not posting there times BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT STREET CARS.Yes they can be driven on the street for a 30 mile cruise but they are not legit street cars .

Street car means something different to each individual. In my opinion the biggest thing the street cruise proves is that your car won't over heat driving on the road. 30 miles in stop and go traffic more than proves that. I don't know about you, but 10 min at idle and my daily driver gets up to temp, its the fact the cooling system is working that keeps it from over heating just sitting there.

[Rick93coupe]

Ok, so how are you going to make the "Race" on a Sat or Sun when you have to work? Just ONE of the problems we run into.

In most situations I need notice. For instance we were informed today that Nov 1st we need to schedule our vacation days for 2012. True story.:rolleyes:

Edit: I forgot to add that If I don't get enough notice, I would have to go back to my first point. "If you can't make it to the running of the dozen you just don't make it on the list."

[Kwik92GT]

The age old question of what a street car is will never be answered. It's different to each individual. I like the extreme side of things. If it has legit tags and insurance, it's all good to me. I know most people don't follow that logic and I'm OK with that. I know the rules for the DD are based on what Vinny wanted, but, I feel from what I knew of him, that Vinny would have given a certain amount of leeway to members, if he felt they deserved it. If you look at his quotes, he says things like, we "may" do this or that, etc. It was a fluid thing, it wasn't all in concrete. He understood that everything isn't just written in stone and that is that. He was searching for an answer to this whole thing himself. Look at the car he was building, it wouldn't fit what most of you would consider a street car.

The fact is, the DD is a shell of it's former self. The fast guys simply don't post their times to avoid the drama. This site was heading in the right direction in late winter-early spring, but something happened, and it splintered a lot of good that was going on. I don't think this site or the DD will ever be what it once was. It just won't. Does that mean I hate this site? Fuck no. For those of you saying if you don't like the rules, leave or GTFO. I don't have to agree with everything, or even everyone, to be a member here and enjoy most of what this site offers. You don't have to click on the thread if you don't want to read the complaints or whatever else is going on. Telling people to get lost definitely ISN'T the answer to all this.

I think a lot has been done to help people qualify for the DD, the SCS events that Craig has put on, adding the BG and Columbus NMRA events etc., and that's a good thing. I know where most all the rules come from, the one rule I don't understand or get where it came from is, where if you have to fix your car or if you change your combo for whatever reason, you're off the list? What's the benefit or purpose of this rule? If you ran the time, and it was witnessed and you qualify, why should changing anything void that? I understand if you no longer own the car you'd have to be off the list, but fixing your car or changing combos is grounds for being off the list? I don't get it. :dunno:

[05yellowgt]

The broke then off the list rule helps to weed out someone who takes a stock car, throws a 300 shot on it to make one run down the track and run a good time, but melts down the motor in the process.

I remember a few years ago that became a big deal but I think most have just come to accept that by now.

[Kwik92GT]

The broke then off the list rule helps to weed out someone who takes a stock car, throws a 300 shot on it to make one run down the track and run a good time, but melts down the motor in the process.

I remember a few years ago that became a big deal but I think most have just come to accept that by now.

Fair enough. I honestly don't have a problem with someone doing that though. I say "game on." The problem with a rule like that is if you have a member who beats on their stuff all season long, been on the DD the whole season, steps it up to try and get a better spot and blows up. They are then off the list completely. Seems counter productive to the original intent of the list.

[cstreu1026]

Ok, so how are you going to make the "Race" on a Sat or Sun when you have to work? Just ONE of the problems we run into.

I would think if you decide in the spring when and where the race is to take place then I don't see any reason why all the people who bitch and moan about the rules can't plan to make the race if the sticker is so f'n important. You don't see NMRA or NMCA events scheduled around someone's work schedule. Either you can make it or you can't and if you can't then better luck next year.

[Rick93coupe]

My point exactly.

[facemelter71]

I dont care if Im number 1 or number 12. I built every square inch of my drivetrain and suspension with my own two hands. I just want a sticker and my winnings check after all this if over.lol.

[fasthawk]

Street car means something different to each individual. In my opinion the biggest thing the street cruise proves is that your car won't over heat driving on the road. 30 miles in stop and go traffic more than proves that. I don't know about you, but 10 min at idle and my daily driver gets up to temp, its the fact the cooling system is working that keeps it from over heating just sitting there.

I guess my idea of a street cars consist of more than a 5 gallon fuel cell , your nos bottle holder is not in the pass seat, you actullay own a set of street tires and dont bitch because you have to drive it on race fuel plus you have current tags and ins. We all now whos are street cars and whos are not.

[beefcake]

I dont care if Im number 1 or number 12. I built every square inch of my drivetrain and suspension with my own two hands. I just want a sticker and my winnings check after all this if over.lol.

LOL


The broke then off the list rule helps to weed out someone who takes a stock car, throws a 300 shot on it to make one run down the track and run a good time, but melts down the motor in the process.

I remember a few years ago that became a big deal but I think most have just come to accept that by now.

Yep


The What a street car is and what isnt a streetcar debate is old.

Very true


The age old question of what a street car is will never be answered. It's different to each individual. I like the extreme side of things. If it has legit tags and insurance, it's all good to me. I know most people don't follow that logic and I'm OK with that. I know the rules for the DD are based on what Vinny wanted, but, I feel from what I knew of him, that Vinny would have given a certain amount of leeway to members, if he felt they deserved it. If you look at his quotes, he says things like, we "may" do this or that, etc. It was a fluid thing, it wasn't all in concrete. He understood that everything isn't just written in stone and that is that. He was searching for an answer to this whole thing himself. Look at the car he was building, it wouldn't fit what most of you would consider a street car.

I am one of those that usually lump a street car into the category of "something i would drive everyday". That doesn't make it right or wrong. Just my opinion.

I think the car should have a/c, this and that and all the creature comforts. But, like some have said. Some cars didn't come with a/c. And that is true.

Cars have come a long way the last 10 years even from where they were. and 20 years, even more so. It's all very subjective.

As far as Vinny's thoughts, you are correct. Take Jeff for example. Jeff is one of the oldest members of the board like me. There is no doubt he deserves to be at the top of the list. The only reason he currently isn't there is simply because the car hasn't been on the street at all. So, to be fair to guys that haven't made any sbz events or anything, that is why he is not up top.

If Vinny was here, he definately would want Jeff on the list as do I. Against popular belief, I know / don't think my car is the fastest car around. I had no expectation of that. It's a 4000lb brick. I think Jeff deserves it as of now, and i'm hoping some of the other cars get back on again as well before the end of the year. I have a 9 sec daily driver, and that is enough for me. I welcome the faster cars on the list.


The fact is, the DD is a shell of it's former self. The fast guys simply don't post their times to avoid the drama. This site was heading in the right direction in late winter-early spring, but something happened, and it splintered a lot of good that was going on. I don't think this site or the DD will ever be what it once was. It just won't. Does that mean I hate this site? Fuck no. For those of you saying if you don't like the rules, leave or GTFO. I don't have to agree with everything, or even everyone, to be a member here and enjoy most of what this site offers. You don't have to click on the thread if you don't want to read the complaints or whatever else is going on. Telling people to get lost definitely ISN'T the answer to all this.

I don't think thats entirely true. The "end of year" dozen issues have been going on since the beginning. Go back and look at posts at the end of every year, and you will see the same thing.

It is always, always, for the exact same reason. People that have not done what needed to be done to be on the list, post a time. The time doesn't get added. Then they bitch, and their friends or just people that like to stir the pot jump on board, and all hell breaks loose.

It's the same as it's always been. I don't see it changing. It goes hand and hand with the dozen. About the only way to avoid the drama is if a non legit time is posted, delete it and all posts related to it.


I think a lot has been done to help people qualify for the DD, the SCS events that Craig has put on, adding the BG and Columbus NMRA events etc., and that's a good thing. I know where most all the rules come from, the one rule I don't understand or get where it came from is, where if you have to fix your car or if you change your combo for whatever reason, you're off the list? What's the benefit or purpose of this rule? If you ran the time, and it was witnessed and you qualify, why should changing anything void that? I understand if you no longer own the car you'd have to be off the list, but fixing your car or changing combos is grounds for being off the list? I don't get it. :dunno:

You are correct. Craig starting his shootouts was definately a positive thing. (just double the cruise, lol)

Adding the old school NMRA events was great too.

I can honestly say, i've had some great times with Bangerz. The year we all did the Georgia NMRA, many trips to Bowling Green with Epic camping. Cabrew trips.

As far as broke. It's kind of like John already said.

I'm a little mixed on the changing combo / regular maintenance. I think we've talked about some of that stuff this year as well. I had issues twice with kicking blower belts and knocking oil lines off. But, we fixed them at the track, and the car drove back, and came back the next week.

Like it's been said. If you can't drive the car under it's own power. It's broke.

I get stressed like everyone over this stuff. Like Craig said, I knew what I was in for, and i'm used to it with updating the list. It is what it is. I think for the most part, 99% of the people know the real deal. It's just the trouble makers that like to stir the crap. As many members as we have, you can see each year, it gets isolated to 3-5 people really stirring the pot.

Today, i'm in a much better mood about it.

[Maximus]

Fair enough. I honestly don't have a problem with someone doing that though. I say "game on." The problem with a rule like that is if you have a member who beats on their stuff all season long, been on the DD the whole season, steps it up to try and get a better spot and blows up. They are then off the list completely. Seems counter productive to the original intent of the list.

I TRIED to get the Dozen to end earlier in the year so that guys could have the remaining couple weeks to HAMMER DOWN without the fear of losing their spot.


I would think if you decide in the spring when and where the race is to take place then I don't see any reason why all the people who bitch and moan about the rules can't plan to make the race if the sticker is so f'n important. You don't see NMRA or NMCA events scheduled around someone's work schedule. Either you can make it or you can't and if you can't then better luck next year.

That makes for good reading, but their is ALWAYS someone complaining. (Its usually the same guys BTW) I guess the new guy updating the list next year will just have to be direct and to the point with the guidelines and realize that you cannot please everyone.

I should have a Mustang out next year, so I should have some spark back to get out and about as well...Running of the Pony's, SCS, Quaker Steak & Lube on Tuesdays, etc etc

[AntiRice427]

I'm not going to read all 7 pages of this bs, but I will be there tomorrow night. Hope to see some of you there and have some fun. That is the purpose of this right??

[beefcake]

I TRIED to get the Dozen to end earlier in the year so that guys could have the remaining couple weeks to HAMMER DOWN without the fear of losing their spot.

Maybe we should look at that again for next year



That makes for good reading, but their is ALWAYS someone complaining. (Its usually the same guys BTW) I guess the new guy updating the list next year will just have to be direct and to the point with the guidelines and realize that you cannot please everyone.

I should have a Mustang out next year, so I should have some spark back to get out and about as well...Running of the Pony's, SCS, Quaker Steak & Lube on Tuesdays, etc etc

Get that shit out, been too long!

[facemelter71]

I TRIED to get the Dozen to end earlier in the year so that guys could have the remaining couple weeks to HAMMER DOWN without the fear of losing their spot.



That makes for good reading, but their is ALWAYS someone complaining. (Its usually the same guys BTW) I guess the new guy updating the list next year will just have to be direct and to the point with the guidelines and realize that you cannot please everyone.

I should have a Mustang out next year, so I should have some spark back to get out and about as well...Running of the Pony's, SCS, Quaker Steak & Lube on Tuesdays, etc etc

Craig,Keep it simple and get one done. Its about time for you to get back into a mustang.:rockon:

[fasthawk]

So now after the 8.5 race tomorrow night at least 5 people will be off the list that really belong on the list because all these guys are members here and did not post there times up.Most people said by the way i read it, they are street cars.

[beefcake]

So now after the 8.5 race tomorrow night at least 5 people will be off the list that really belong on the list because all these guys are members here and did not post there times up.Most people said by the way i read it, they are street cars.

the 8.5 guys run 1/8 mile and i'm not sure how many if any have been to the cruises / shootouts etc..

if not, then they would have to drive the car to the track tomorrow, and run 1/4 mile, if they drive to the track, imo they rate being on the list

[Maximus]

So now after the 8.5 race tomorrow night at least 5 people will be off the list that really belong on the list because all these guys are members here and did not post there times up.Most people said by the way i read it, they are street cars.

Since Im in an mood to stretch the topic......WHATS YOUR POINT? NO ONE is forcing them to post or not to post. Its THEIR decision. And yes they are "street" cars, actually Racecars that drive on the street.:cool1:

[beefcake]

Since Im in an mood to stretch the topic......WHATS YOUR POINT? NO ONE is forcing them to post or not to post. Its THEIR decision. And yes they are "street" cars, actually Racecars that drive on the street.:cool1:

what does a 5.5 1/8th mile coast to in the 1/4, lol

[fasthawk]

the 8.5 guys run 1/8 mile and i'm not sure how many if any have been to the cruises / shootouts etc..

if not, then they would have to drive the car to the track tomorrow, and run 1/4 mile, if they drive to the track, imo they rate being on the list

Most of cars can roll thru in high 9's.But some have been in the mid to high 8's.

[fasthawk]

Since Im in an mood to stretch the topic......WHATS YOUR POINT? NO ONE is forcing them to post or not to post. Its THEIR decision. And yes they are "street" cars, actually Racecars that drive on the street.:cool1:



Most of them reliaze they are really not street cars but yes they can drive them on the street

[Maximus]

Most of them reliaze they are really not street cars but yes they can drive them on the street

I remember the nights we all use to cruise up to M-town.

What ever happened to JK?

[fasthawk]

I remember the nights we all use to cruise up to M-town.

What ever happened to JK?

He opened up a creamy whip in mainville

[stocknotch]

the 8.5 guys run 1/8 mile and i'm not sure how many if any have been to the cruises / shootouts etc..

if not, then they would have to drive the car to the track tomorrow, and run 1/4 mile, if they drive to the track, imo they rate being on the list

Since tomorrow is the running of the ponies they all qualify. And 5.50's coast through in the
Mid 8's.

[beefcake]

Since tomorrow is the running of the ponies they all qualify. And 5.50's coast through in the
Mid 8's.

times qualify all the time.

tomorrows "running of the dozen" is a "drive to" event for those that have not driven during the SCS or driven to the cruise ins to be able to add them to the list

if you haven't driven during the scs or driven to either of the cruise ins, the times will not be added

[fasthawk]

Unload at the corner of harrison and eastmiami and drive from there.

[stocknotch]

times qualify all the time.

tomorrows "running of the dozen" is a "drive to" event for those that have not driven during the SCS or driven to the cruise ins to be able to add them to the list

if you haven't driven during the scs or driven to either of the cruise ins, the times will not be added

It's not a drive to event. The running of the dozen at tristate you were allowed trailers. I trailered mine last year. See this is the issue,rules are made up as you go along. And I've seen cars unloaded a Quaker Steak and Lube.

[beefcake]

Unload at the corner of harrison and eastmiami and drive from there.

there ya go

[beefcake]

It's not a drive to event. The running of the dozen at tristate you were allowed trailers. I trailered mine last year. See this is the issue,rules are made up as you go along. And I've seen cars unloaded a Quaker Steak and Lube.

car has to be a street car, that definition is vague. if the car has never been on the street, it's not a street car is it?

the scs' and cruise ins are over. people made it or they didn't

this is being added strictly to try to get guys added to the dozen, and you still get the bitch and whine.

it's just like keeping the tracks open til the end of the year to try to get more people on, a couple years ago, you wouldn't still have opportunity this late in the year. No one is ever happy

[stocknotch]

Right so guys from Dayton and Columbus are expected to drive from there to edgewater. That's a joke and you know it. Its called making up the rules as you go.

[stocknotch]

car has to be a street car, that definition is vague. if the car has never been on the street, it's not a street car is it?

the scs' and cruise ins are over. people made it or they didn't

this is being added strictly to try to get guys added to the dozen, and you still get the bitch and whine.

it's just like keeping the tracks open til the end of the year to try to get more people on, a couple years ago, you wouldn't still have opportunity this late in the year. No one is ever happy

Just because someone doesn't make a 50 mile cruise doesn't mean its never on the street.

[Maximus]

This is EXACTLY why I started doing the SCS.

Im thinking NEXT year the DD will be a list running all year with a shoot-out in the fall to run for the sticker. There will be enough notice, so those who need to call in sick that day, can. Those who are planning a wedding, can change their day. Those wanting to go boating, can boat another weekend. etc etc etc.
Hopefully Sean will have another Day at E20 so we can tie it in with his event and get even more money raised for his sons charity.:rockon:

[stocknotch]

No one will be completely happy but the way you guys are blocking fast cars is bogus.

[beefcake]

Right so guys from Dayton and Columbus are expected to drive from there to edgewater. That's a joke and you know it. Its called making up the rules as you go.

no one said you have to drive that far. just prove your street worthiness.

you know wtf i'm talking about.

a car that hasn't been driven once, been trailered to one or two things all year, and runs a number, and gets a spot.

that simply doesn't qualify and isn't fair to cars that actually drive to the cruise ins or the scs or whatever.

But, since you say it, what is a joke about a street car driving an hour to the track??

if a street car can't drive a friggin hour, then it's not a street car imo

i drive just over an hour each way "every time i go to the local track".

every time. car has not been trailered once this year. it may not be the fastest, but it's actually more at risk than a 9.50 or 9.0 3000 lb "street car". it's a 4000 lb car, the power it takes to get that weight moving, and the weight itself are a much higher risk for a car like mine.

if it's a street car, drive it on the street? lol


No one will be completely happy but the way you guys are blocking fast cars is bogus.

who's block what?

we just added 2 more weeks to try to get people on the list? how the hell is that blocking?

it would be much easier to block by saying "scs" and cruise ins are over and your out

[stocknotch]

This is EXACTLY why I started doing the SCS.

Im thinking NEXT year the DD will be a list running all year with a shoot-out in the fall to run for the sticker. There will be enough notice, so those who need to call in sick that day, can. Those who are planning a wedding, can change their day. Those wanting to go boating, can boat another weekend. etc etc etc.
Hopefully Sean will have another Day at E20 so we can tie it in with his event and get even more money raised for his sons charity.:rockon:

Best idea I've herd so far.

[Maximus]

Right so guys from Dayton and Columbus are expected to drive from there to edgewater. That's a joke and you know it. Its called making up the rules as you go.

Ive driven my (former)car from NKY up to M-town and my other (former)car from Colerain to M-town. Whats your point? I can remember quite a few of the Dayton guys driving their Stangs down to the Cruise ins, and they will tell you they did!!:bigthumb

[beefcake]

Ive driven my (former)car from NKY up to M-town and my other (former)car from Colerain to M-town. Whats your point? I can remember quite a few of the Dayton guys driving their Stangs down to the Cruise ins, and they will tell you they did!!:bigthumb

thats what i'm saying. I know we don't always agree on all points, but i know you've made the trek long distances in your car. I know metcalf will drive his car distances in the past as well (even though he's not here), and drives the car on the street all the time

[Maximus]

No one will be completely happy but the way you guys are blocking fast cars is bogus.

If I wanted to block fast cars, I would require the cars running to be on REAL DOTs.:eek:

[fasthawk]

This is EXACTLY why I started doing the SCS.

Im thinking NEXT year the DD will be a list running all year with a shoot-out in the fall to run for the sticker. There will be enough notice, so those who need to call in sick that day, can. Those who are planning a wedding, can change their day. Those wanting to go boating, can boat another weekend. etc etc etc.
Hopefully Sean will have another Day at E20 so we can tie it in with his event and get even more money raised for his sons charity.:rockon:

Going to have to make it after pokerrun weekend.Thats the end of boating season.

[stocknotch]

no one said you have to drive that far. just prove your street worthiness.

you know wtf i'm talking about.

a car that hasn't been driven once, been trailered to one or two things all year, and runs a number, and gets a spot.

that simply doesn't qualify and isn't fair to cars that actually drive to the cruise ins or the scs or whatever.

But, since you say it, what is a joke about a street car driving an hour to the track??

if a street car can't drive a friggin hour, then it's not a street car imo

i drive just over an hour each way "every time i go to the local track".

every time. car has not been trailered once this year. it may not be the fastest, but it's actually more at risk than a 9.50 or 9.0 3000 lb "street car". it's a 4000 lb car, the power it takes to get that weight moving, and the weight itself are a much higher risk for a car like mine.

if it's a street car, drive it on the street? lol



who's block what?

we just added 2 more weeks to try to get people on the list? how the hell is that blocking?

it would be much easier to block by saying "scs" and cruise ins are over and your outwith out the scs no cars would qualify. How many cars were at the spring cruise in? 20? You guys are losing your support. At least the scs in popular and its not a true SBZ event its open to all boards.

[Maximus]

Going to have to make it after pokerrun weekend.Thats the end of boating season.

Thats possible, are you racing?

[stocknotch]

If I wanted to block fast cars, I would require the cars running to be on REAL DOTs.:eek:

I wasn't talking to you.

[beefcake]

with out the scs no cars would qualify. How many cars were at the spring cruise in? 20? You guys are losing your support. At least the scs in popular and its not a true SBZ event its open to all boards.

not true, there are quite a few cars on the list that have posted times that i personally saw at the spring / fall or both cruise ins

[Maximus]

with out the scs no cars would qualify. How many cars were at the spring cruise in? 20? You guys are losing your support. At least the scs in popular and its not a true SBZ event its open to all boards.

SCS was based on Vinnys DD. Only thing I did was allow other cars in. Which I think Vinny wouldve done to get more people off their butts and down to the track!:)

[stocknotch]

Well have fun guys. I'm not going tomorrow anyway. I'm on my way to the fall crawl

[fasthawk]

Thats possible, are you racing?

Can't compete with race/ street cars.

[Maximus]

Well have fun guys. I'm not going tomorrow anyway. I'm on my way to the fall crawl

So you just like arguing?:flipoff::lol:

[beefcake]

Well have fun guys. I'm not going tomorrow anyway. I'm on my way to the fall crawl


So you just like arguing?:flipoff::lol:

lmao ;)

[Maximus]

Can't compete with race/ street cars.


So you just like arguing?:flipoff::lol:

:flipoff::lol:

[cobrajoe]

I will also point out, threats and personal attacks don't go very far. I am doing a job that NOBODY wants to do, as it constantly leads to headache and grief.
LOL, Now I have offered to help in the past!


Why do you think that is Terry?

Oh I don't know the ECONOMY maybe?


I vote for either Tim Duncan (Timido) or Jeff (jeffs88coupe) to run the DD next year. Both of these guys are stand up guys and respectful to everyone equally. I think everyone on here respects both members and respect goes a long way. I'm sure there is others that would do a great job but these two get my vote. Beefcake, noone likes you.....GTFO!!!!

LMAO!


I don't care who runs it next year it will be the same whining and bitching over a sticker next year.
Agreed


I would think if you decide in the spring when and where the race is to take place then I don't see any reason why all the people who bitch and moan about the rules can't plan to make the race if the sticker is so f'n important. You don't see NMRA or NMCA events scheduled around someone's work schedule. Either you can make it or you can't and if you can't then better luck next year.
Exactly!

[NO SHOT]

car has to be a street car, that definition is vague. if the car has never been on the street, it's not a street car is it?

the scs' and cruise ins are over. people made it or they didn't

this is being added strictly to try to get guys added to the dozen, and you still get the bitch and whine.

it's just like keeping the tracks open til the end of the year to try to get more people on, a couple years ago, you wouldn't still have opportunity this late in the year. No one is ever happy

My car broke 3 weeks after scs.All because of a bad rocker arm.I'm glad I have till the track closes to have a chance back on!!!:bigthumb

[dsmawd350]

[COLOR="Red"]Oh I don't know the ECONOMY maybe?





the economy is keeping about 10 cars that have ran a number this year and would top the list from posting up? :lol:

[beefcake]

My car broke 3 weeks after scs.All because of a bad rocker arm.I'm glad I have till the track closes to have a chance back on!!!:bigthumb

Your welcome

[beefcake]

the economy is keeping about 10 cars that have ran a number this year and would top the list from posting up? :lol:
who cares. Really who cares?

I keep hearing about people that aren't posting times from u

Waaaaa waaaaa. Waaaaa. Do u have a car to post?

If the time isn't posted then it doesn't go on the list. If there is a secret society dozen. Then great for.them. other than that. Who gives a fuk about something that doesn't exist.

I hear Elvis is in tennessee, but until I see him who gives a.fuk

[KYGTP]

How many cars were at the spring cruise in? 20?

Well actually there were well over 40 cars, with about over 100 people in attendance, JUST from SBZ, according to my records that I have from the day. We had over 65 cars racing and well over 350 people at the track that day for the Spring Cruise in and Private Race Day, "The Preston Cup". It was a great time and great weather.

Back On topic:

I got the car back together, the head stud leaked AGAIN, so I put a couple GM coolant tablets in, and no more leak:bigthumb I am ready to go and beat the crap out of this new setup I got. It would be nice to break my Old PB of 11.56.

[beefcake]

Well actually there were well over 40 cars, with about over 100 people in attendance, JUST from SBZ, according to my records that I have from the day. We had over 65 cars racing and well over 350 people at the track that day for the Spring Cruise in and Private Race Day, "The Preston Cup". It was a great time and great weather.

Back On topic:

I got the car back together, the head stud leaked AGAIN, so I put a couple GM coolant tablets in, and no more leak:bigthumb I am ready to go and beat the crap out of this new setup I got. It would be nice to break my Old PB of 11.56.

Funny how facts differ from BS lol

[stocknotch]

I wasnt talking about his track day private race. I was talking about the qs&l cruise in.

[Mr.Moontang]

Where have you been, the last 2 cruise in's have been at the "race day"...

[beefcake]

I wasnt talking about his track day private race. I was talking about the qs&l cruise in.


Where have you been, the last 2 cruise in's have been at the "race day"...

lol, maybe thats why he didn't see all the cars!

[kennebellcobra]

Will be some -da tonight!

[beefcake]

Will be some -da tonight!

will that shit be hooking though! lol

[Timido]

I hope to see all of you tonight.

[1987coupe]

friday is going to be cold but the coupe has heat so as long as the new kid at work dont call in friday like he did the last one ill be there.

[TurboNG]

So Friday night race nights count as coming to a meet?

[1987coupe]

thats the way i took it 10-21 and 10-28

[stocknotch]

They just make it up as they go along it seems like.

[beefcake]

They just make it up as they go along it seems like.

No, we keep adding days to try to help late comers get on the list.

We could say F it and end it now.

[Maximus]

They just make it up as they go along it seems like.

Actually we are doing it to keep that Asshole Metcalfe off the DD.:flipoff:

[mustangboy]

Why not just make it once the last local track closes. Is there some pressing deadline to meet for stickers, I doubt it. Let em run till it snows

[Maximus]

Why not just make it once the last local track closes. Is there some pressing deadline to meet for stickers, I doubt it. Let em run till it snows

That is when the list is finished...when E20 is closed.

[stocknotch]

Actually we are doing it to keep that Asshole Metcalfe off the DD.:flipoff:

Lol. I don't blame you

[1987coupe]

how many people going tonight?

[kennebellcobra]

I will be there and if the car is still shutting off, I'm putting a carb on it. Lol

[AntiRice427]

I would like to go but it sucks driving an hour down there to blow the tires off every time. I think I'm going to try for Tristate tomorrow.

[Jeff88coupe]

Going to be a cold night at the track tonight. I'm waiting and hoping for warmer sunny weather next Saturday to go to Edgewater for T&T with my car.

[JIMS SVT]

Going to be a cold night at the track tonight. I'm waiting and hoping for warmer sunny weather next Saturday to go to Edgewater for T&T with my car.

My car always hooked better the colder it got. Fastest 60,1/8 and 1/4.

[Steves LX]

I will be there and if the car is still shutting off, I'm putting a carb on it. Lol

Hell yeah now your talking!!! We can make this a group project with both our cars this winter.

[Jeff88coupe]

My car always hooked better the colder it got. Fastest 60,1/8 and 1/4.

That wasn't the case for me or several other's I talked to last friday night at edgewater. First pass of the night was the best..then got worse the colder the track got.

[NXcoupe]

That wasn't the case for me or several other's I talked to last friday night at edgewater. First pass of the night was the best..then got worse the colder the track got.

Preach it! I was skating around on that last pass, slowed it down about 4 tenths or so.

[beefcake]

tomorrow is looking pretty good for race day!

[JIMS SVT]

That wasn't the case for me or several other's I talked to last friday night at edgewater. First pass of the night was the best..then got worse the colder the track got.

The last day of edgewater was always the best every year. Track took everything I threw at it.

[1987coupe]

If I drive down and not run will that count for the street cred for the DD list

[1987coupe]

im not driving down i looks like its going to rain looks like ill try the list next year thanks!

[NO SHOT]

Should get my bullet back this week may make edgewater next friday!!!!:bigthumb

[Jeff88coupe]

Edgewater is switching to saturday t&t starting next weekend.

[NO SHOT]

Edgewater is switching to saturday t&t starting next weekend.

Cool thanks Jeff!:bigthumb

[Jeff88coupe]

Took a drive today in my coupe...took some video to show it driving on the street. Car stayed very cool...coolant temps stayed about 165 without even having the fan on.


http://youtu.be/Qs9NI98lg3Y
http://youtu.be/v4teJrUnn1o
http://youtu.be/fMgwFq2mkdY
http://youtu.be/orExitui-pw
http://youtu.be/nIuQx81kHXk


Hope the weather next saturday is as nice as it was today. Plan on going to edgewater for t&t to try and run a 8 locally.

[MrsAPE]

Looks like it's street worthy!! Woot woot!!

[Maximus]

Looks like we have a New #1 on the Dozen!!:bigthumb

[beefcake]

:bigthumb

very nice

[mustangboy]

Jeff you should have came over and tattoo'd my street and had video of it, that would have been funny:lol:

[Pops Fun]

Anyone going to edgewater today???

Going to try and make it.

[TurboNG]

Im going to Kil Kare MB

[TurboNG]

Well had a good time with everyone that came out, I got a good motor pass on the stang.
4.43 330ft
6.9 1/8
10.87 @123mph 1/4
I couldn't lock down a good nitrous pass, but I had fun and a big thanks for Mike Bell for helping out today.

[Pops Fun]

Didn't make Edgewater... Friend passed away...:(:mad:

[beefcake]

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