2v intake suggestions

[Jake]

i have a 96 shortblock with forged pistons and rods that i was planning on taking past 7000 rpm on a normal basis. maybe more if i could get away with it. i also have a set of livernois stage III heads to work with. i would like some suggestions on intakes and maybe even cams if anyone has any experiance with certain brands. i was looking mainly at the HPS hardballer and the p51 intake.
any help is appreciated
-jake

[nsaniti]

modular head shop cams are pretty nice, and comp obviously. I like the p51, but Im sure you will get better answers.

[cstreu1026]

I would go with the Edelbrock intake. The P51 seams to be hit or miss and from what I've read the HPS isn't much better than the PI intake. I will be running TFS heads and intake with MHS stage 4 cams and plan to spin it to 7500-8000. I would suggest talking to Nick and MHS. He won't steer you wrong.

www.modularheadshop.com

[Dirtyd0g]

For NA the Edelbrock seems to be preferred, The Trickflow/bullit works great for vortech/procharger,etc... They are ok NA if you have big cams, ported heads and a buttload of stall.
I know the professional products is junk first hand, and the Dorman intake is the worst thing ever. P51 might be a good idea, I have never used one of them either.
Alan

[bobtsgt]

The Reicards (sp) Racing one is also a good choice for the higher RPMs as well. Its a short runner design that looks good to boot

[HawksWR37]

what jake isnt telling you is that he is going to put a turbo kit on it next year :)

[02mingryGT]

Put a good quality dampener on it as well.

[Jake]

I would go with the Edelbrock intake. The P51 seams to be hit or miss and from what I've read the HPS isn't much better than the PI intake. I will be running TFS heads and intake with MHS stage 4 cams and plan to spin it to 7500-8000. I would suggest talking to Nick and MHS. He won't steer you wrong.

www.modularheadshop.com

i didnt even know edelbrock made a modular intake. i'll have to look into that. and i would definitely take it to 8000 if i thought i could get away with it :lol: but i dont think my heads would be able to hang with the trick flows. and i will definitely give nick a call. thanks for the help!

[Jake]

For NA the Edelbrock seems to be preferred, The Trickflow/bullit works great for vortech/procharger,etc... They are ok NA if you have big cams, ported heads and a buttload of stall.
I know the professional products is junk first hand, and the Dorman intake is the worst thing ever. P51 might be a good idea, I have never used one of them either.
Alan

i planned on running a fairly large cam, as my pistons already have valve reliefs. my heads are stage 3 ported and i have a manual trans. and like cam said above, i may go forced induction later depending on how i like this setup. but i may just have to bite the bullet and accept that if i change my mind i might just have to buy another intake.
it sounds like the edelbrock is the way to go. does anyone know what it retails for? as the only reason i wasnt too keen on the trickflow is last i saw it was 1200. thank you for the advice!

[Jake]

The Reicards (sp) Racing one is also a good choice for the higher RPMs as well. Its a short runner design that looks good to boot

i tried contacting them because they were my original choice ( theres just something about a sheetmetal intake :rolleyes: ) but i have never heard back from them. and it has been several weeks. but if anyone knows a way to get in touch with them i still havent ruled them out.
thanks.

[cstreu1026]

i planned on running a fairly large cam, as my pistons already have valve reliefs. my heads are stage 3 ported and i have a manual trans. and like cam said above, i may go forced induction later depending on how i like this setup. but i may just have to bite the bullet and accept that if i change my mind i might just have to buy another intake.
it sounds like the edelbrock is the way to go. does anyone know what it retails for? as the only reason i wasnt too keen on the trickflow is last i saw it was 1200. thank you for the advice!

The TFS intake should be around $800 new but you can pick used ones up for about $500. The Edelbrock intake its self runs about $300 new but you will have to add in the cost of an elbow, fuel rails, etc. to make it all work. In the end I think it comes out about the same as a TFS intake.


i tried contacting them because they were my original choice ( theres just something about a sheetmetal intake :rolleyes: ) but i have never heard back from them. and it has been several weeks. but if anyone knows a way to get in touch with them i still havent ruled them out.
thanks.

The Reichard piece is expesive for what it is. I think they go for about $1200 new. For that kind of money I would either spend a little more and go with a Logan intake or save a bunch and buy the Edelbrock.

http://www.loganmotorsports.com/logan_manifold.html

[cstreu1026]

One thing to consider, if this is going in your 98 I know for sure the TFS intake will require you to swtich to a newer style alternator and it wouldn't be a bad idea to convert it to COP ignition because while it will bolt on (with PI heads) its tight and really isn't packaged to on the earlier cars.

[Jake]

between the edelbrock and the trickflow i think im leaning towards the tf. but that logan intake just sounds insane! i think the price would be easier to swallow but it looks like a would need a new hood with a significant cowl. i wasnt planning on a hood until next winter, and i was going to go with the 03 cobra style heat extracter at that. which i dont think would be large enough.
but thanks again for the advice, and thanks for the heads up on the alternator and COP. i still need to get everything together for the PI swap onto the 96 block but i was trying to focus on the big ticket items for now.

[cstreu1026]

depending on the the elbow you would likely need a new hood with the Edelbrock intake as well.

[bobtsgt]

i tried contacting them because they were my original choice ( theres just something about a sheetmetal intake :rolleyes: ) but i have never heard back from them. and it has been several weeks. but if anyone knows a way to get in touch with them i still havent ruled them out.
thanks.

I'm not sure. i picked up a good used one last year for about $600 off one of the modular forums. It is a very stout piece. I would use it as a car jack if I had to lol

[Rustanggt98]

I personally wouldn't spend the money on an intake if you are going to stay N/A. the PI is lightweight, and should flow plenty of air for your combination. I spun mine to 7800 with a stock PI intake, 70mm TB, and an 80mm MAF and made plenty of power (360+). If this is going to be predominantly a street car, i don't see your cams being aggressive enough to outflow a PI intake.

That is just my opinion though, some people like to have a flashy hunk of metal on top rather than a crummy looking plastic piece, and for that i can't blame'em. :bigthumb

[Jake]

I personally wouldn't spend the money on an intake if you are going to stay N/A. the PI is lightweight, and should flow plenty of air for your combination. I spun mine to 7800 with a stock PI intake, 70mm TB, and an 80mm MAF and made plenty of power (360+). If this is going to be predominantly a street car, i don't see your cams being aggressive enough to outflow a PI intake.

That is just my opinion though, some people like to have a flashy hunk of metal on top rather than a crummy looking plastic piece, and for that i can't blame'em. :bigthumb

im definitely one of those people! :D i cant deny that asthetics was a big part of my decision. but i really apreciate your input.

[Jake]

depending on the the elbow you would likely need a new hood with the Edelbrock intake as well.

my brother just brought up the fact that i could cut the stock hood. i have never cut fiberglass before but i dont think it would be too tough. some people may think it looks cheap or trashy, but im sure not one of them :bigthumb

[Dirtyd0g]

I have a fox lake ported bullet intake witht he largest accufab oval throttle body made for sale. I need $800 out of the combo, worth considerably more and with the right alternator you won't have to flip it around.
Alan

[cstreu1026]

I have a fox lake ported bullet intake witht he largest accufab oval throttle body made for sale. I need $800 out of the combo, worth considerably more and with the right alternator you won't have to flip it around.
Alan

That would be a pretty good choice.

[Jake]

I have a fox lake ported bullet intake witht he largest accufab oval throttle body made for sale. I need $800 out of the combo, worth considerably more and with the right alternator you won't have to flip it around.
Alan

that sounds like a great deal. but unfortunately i wouldnt be able to make a deal at this point in time. im just trying to figure out what i want so i know how much i'll be spending and what i'll be spending it on. i apreciate the offer and i will definitely check with you to see if you still have it when i have the means to buy it. but that would probably be around spring time.
but other than that. i think if i see any kind of deal on the logan intake, i'll be sold. cosidering what i have read and what you guys have told me. as for cams i think i would have to wait until i see for sure what intake i'll be getting, and then pick them to match.
thanks for all the guidance everyone!
-jake

[HawksWR37]

if i can make a 5.4 fit under my stock hood you can fit an intake in there.

[cstreu1026]

Not necessarily. My buddy needs at least a 4" cowl induction hood to clear Edelbrock intake and fabricated aluminum elbow. The front facing Logan intake also requires a taller hood but I think if you go with a side facing throttle body it will clear.

[Brandon Alsept]

Just get a TFS intake and no hood worries at all. Made awesome power on my 2V pulled to 9000 with issues.

[Dirtyd0g]

I am using the tfs on my 95 thunderbird I just have to trim some hood bracing, possibly lower the engine mounts a tad and the subframe. The 96/97 cars had more clearance.
Alan

[Jake]

Not necessarily. My buddy needs at least a 4" cowl induction hood to clear Edelbrock intake and fabricated aluminum elbow. The front facing Logan intake also requires a taller hood but I think if you go with a side facing throttle body it will clear.

i think im going with the logan when the time comes just because of the uniqueness of it. and for that same reason i will most likely choose the front facing throttle body. and i really want a reason to cut my hood now too:D just something to set it apart from the crowd. i really appreciate all the help you guys have given me. thanks.

[Jake]

Just get a TFS intake and no hood worries at all. Made awesome power on my 2V pulled to 9000 with issues.

i take it you meant no issues? :bigthumb
but that sounds insane, do you mind sharing some of the other details of your engine setup?

[Jake]

I am using the tfs on my 95 thunderbird I just have to trim some hood bracing, possibly lower the engine mounts a tad and the subframe. The 96/97 cars had more clearance.
Alan

how much of a power difference is there between the tfs and the bullet? they look pretty similar to me.

[Dirtyd0g]

how much of a power difference is there between the tfs and the bullet? they look pretty similar to me.

I am curious to know that myself, I have compared them side by side, The Bullit intake I have is ported so I don't know what a "stock" one looks like however they look like the same piece to me.
Alan