edgewater/tristate

[mfoss]

If I can get this together, who would be interested? They are going to run this at ohiovalley and us60. Im looking to see if there is any interest in a class like this. I was thinking about letting aftermarket blocks run but no power adders. What do you guys think?


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11-23-2010, final rules for street outlaw

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Production Blocks only
All ignitions must be mounted in a visable area ( not hidden under dash )

No programmable ignitions
No timing controllers (ie digi sets ect )
No controllers of any kind Period ( 2 steps ok )
No whelie bars
purge on nos must exit the vehicle ( ie not under hood or cowl panel )
nitrous bottle monted in trunk only
one nos bottle on nos vehicle


Power adders

BB NOS only, Plate only, -4 Feed line only 1 fuel and 1 nos solenoid only

SB NOS Plate only, -6 feed lines 1 fuel and 1 no solenoid only

SB blower F-1 or same size from dfferent brand name

SB turbo True 2.6 Inducer only

Weights -

BB - 3250

SB NOS- 3000

SB TURBO - 3250

SB BLOWER - 3250

WEIGHT BREAKS -

8.2 deck blocks get 100 lbs.

Blow thru gets 75 lbs.

no combined weight breaks

Weight penalties 75lbs for fogger ( only perrmited on sb combos )

26x8.5x15 slick ONLY o 10inch wheel MAX

Please no metal showing in interior

exterior stock appearing with all lights working no turn signals ok
aftermarket hoods ok
other than that just as long as it looks stock that's fine

Cars will be checked and inspected at anytime during qualifying and eleminations at random. Weights will be checked every round if possible.

25 dollar entry fee into race on top of any track entry fee. There will be awards for 1st and 2nd . dependent on how the first race goes and the var count awards mey be given back to 4th.

ANYONE CAUGHT CHEATING IN AYWAY WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE RACE AND NOT ALOUD TO RETURN TO THE CLASS FOR A YEAR.........

Rules may be adjusted but this is pretty much the set rules for this class.

er who would run this.

[jack90gt]

Wow that sounds like fun....

[fasthawk]

Please no metal showing in interior

Leaves me out i got a metal dash

[Walter]

So an F-1 blower allowed but turbo is limited to 66mm inlet?

[mfoss]

Please no metal showing in interior

Leaves me out i got a metal dash

You wouldnt race anyway.

[mfoss]

So an F-1 blower allowed but turbo is limited to 66mm inlet?

Yea I seen that. Does seem small. What is a good turbo size. 70 OR 76? I dont know much about them.

[5.0calypso93lx]

Yea I seen that. Does seem small. What is a good turbo size. 70 OR 76? I dont know much about them.

66 is really small. Most 302 kits use 70mm's as the entry level turbo. If it were a stroker or 351w based, 66 would be WAY too small.

Jimmy runs an 88 on a 281 lol.

[Maximus]

You wouldnt race anyway.

Werd.

[mfoss]

66 is really small. Most 302 kits use 70mm's as the entry level turbo. If it were a stroker or 351w based, 66 would be WAY too small.

I think a 70 would be ok.

[Walter]

Yea I seen that. Does seem small. What is a good turbo size. 70 OR 76? I dont know much about them.

On a stock 8.2 deck turbo size wouldnt matter, you would be limited by the block. A 9.5 can hold alot more hp, so idk.

[jack90gt]

purge on nos must exit the vehicle ( ie not under hood or cowl panel )
So the purge can't exit out the cowl panel? Am I reading this right???

[mfoss]

purge on nos must exit the vehicle ( ie not under hood or cowl panel )
So the purge can't exit out the cowl panel? Am I reading this right???

No, it can exit anywhere outside the vehicle. They dont want it to be shot back into the engine area

[jack90gt]

Oh ok I was like wth... Lmao mine comes out the washer squirter so .....lol

[facemelter71]

Aftermarket hoods OK.

What about fiberglass Decklids,and also what about metal fabbed inner door panels.

This sounds like a pretty good set of rules you got going on there.Some thing I might be able to get into.

[Jeff88coupe]

I'm out...aftermarket block, too big of a turbo, fancy ignition box, boost controller.

[Walter]

Turbo cars wont have a chance even with a 70mm

[Metcalf Racing]

I will run it. We are talking1/8 right?

[Metcalf Racing]

some of these guys won't get that

[Metcalf Racing]

Please no metal showing in interior

Leaves me out i got a metal dashthought you had a street car?

[Metcalf Racing]

Turbo cars wont have a chance even with a 70mmYour out of your mind. What's your cats run? How much boost? That's the key

[Walter]

Your out of your mind. What's your cats run? How much boost? That's the key

So sprayed stroked windsor or 302 with a t70? You choose.

[Metcalf Racing]

So sprayed stroked windsor or 302 with a t70? You choose.no shot is stroked Windsor on spray and look how close you are. He would be limited too HP in spray you can max your boost. I like your odds.

[mfoss]

I will run it. We are talking1/8 right?
Yes 1/8

[Metcalf Racing]

It's going to be a low 6, high 5 sec, 1/8mile heads up class

[5.0calypso93lx]

no shot is stroked Windsor on spray and look how close you are. He would be limited too HP in spray you can max your boost. I like your odds.

Walter is on a 76. That's one of the reasons the car is nearly a second quicker now than it was on the MPT70.

[outlaw85]

Sounds Good Mike Were In For Sure!!

If you do it I would like for the rules to be the same so theres no changes from week to week!!!

[fasthawk]

thought you had a street car?

Lol, mine came that way from the factory, also has metal on the tops of the doors to. How come all the fast cars have the ingition on the dash.Guess what my is there from the factory.

[Metcalf Racing]

Walter is on a 76. That's one of the reasons the car is nearly a second quicker now than it was on the MPT70.really? Kinda let's me down a little.

[mfoss]

Lol, mine came that way from the factory, also has metal on the tops of the doors to. How come all the fast cars have the ingition on the dash.Guess what my is there from the factory.

We will make an exception for your metal dash.lol Just bring it out so I can bust that ass.
But seriously, what does everyone think of the rules? There should be an easy 8-12 cars. I dont want this to be an all mustang class. (shut up Ned lol I know what your going to say) So tell your buddies that arent on here.

[5.0calypso93lx]

really? Kinda let's me down a little.

A stock production, non mexican 302 block, crank and rod 306 with a set of eddy performers, off the shelf crane supercharger cam, and holley sissymax intake with a 76mm turbo running 9.73 and driving the car from the eastside to the westside for the entire season on drag radials?

Not to mention that car has made 500+rwhp on the stock block for nearly 5 years now.

When did you do that?

[fasthawk]

We will make an exception for your metal dash.lol Just bring it out so I can bust that ass.
But seriously, what does everyone think of the rules? There should be an easy 8-12 cars. I dont want this to be an all mustang class. (shut up Ned lol I know what your going to say) So tell your buddies that arent on here.

You said that last year tooooooo but were never around or it was on the trailer.

[mfoss]

You said that last year tooooooo but were never around or it was on the trailer.

It comes off the trailer. And I live 10min from you. C mon no excuses.

[Metcalf Racing]

A stock production, non mexican 302 block, crank and rod 306 with a set of eddy performers, off the shelf crane supercharger cam, and holley sissymax intake with a 76mm turbo running 9.73 and driving the car from the eastside to the westside for the entire season on drag radials?

Not to mention that car has made 500+rwhp on the stock block for nearly 5 years now.

When did you do that?My car made 620 and with a b cam same heads with a 70 factory block and is still together right now.I drove it up town awhile back. He can make more than enough power to compete

[fasthawk]

Are filled blocks allowed ?

[Walter]

Oh well, im down to watch and drink beers.

[fasthawk]

I will be willing to add 150# over your weight so i can race. It is not my fault that i allready have a after market block

[mfoss]

Are filled blocks allowed ?

If its a stock block

[fasthawk]

It comes off the trailer. And I live 10min from you. C mon no excuses.

I was looking for some on the way to tri state the day of the shootout

[Maximus]

We will make an exception for your metal dash.lol Just bring it out so I can bust that ass.
But seriously, what does everyone think of the rules? There should be an easy 8-12 cars. I dont want this to be an all mustang class. (shut up Ned lol I know what your going to say) So tell your buddies that arent on here.

You guys need an announcer?:D

[fasthawk]

You guys need an announcer?:D

Sounds like you need to get a car together!!!!

[mfoss]

I will be willing to add 150# over your weight so i can race. It is not my fault that i allready have a after market block

I couldnt tell you what a aftermarket dodge block looks like. Never seen one. Im good with a aftermarket block at a weight penalty. But is everyone else? Just need the rules to be fair. What does everyone think about that? What about a nos jet size for dart motors? Or a nos jet for a certain motor.
Example 9.5 block-73 jet
bb-63 jet
Now these are examples. I havent thought what would be fair so dont get crazy.

[jack90gt]

Oh well, im down to watch and drink beers.
Turbos are to fast for me so if you don't mind I will join ya for a few brewskis...

[mfoss]

I was looking for some on the way to tri state the day of the shootout

You were up there playing with Lackey. I didnt want to ruin your day. It was early and I was pitting with you guys all day.

[mfoss]

Turbos are to fast for me so if you don't mind I will join ya for a few brewskis...

If everyone is that fast they should run outlaw 8.5. We are not looking for an outlaw 8.5 class. They are going low 5s now. Will be high 4s this year.

[Jeff88coupe]

Just looking at this overall.
This will quickly turn into a nitrous stroked windsor or BB class with those rules. Only other choice would be an F1 (which I don't understand why it's allowed). A F1 on a stroked windsor with a half filled block can probably make 900+hp.

Just throwing a idea out there that I think would help keep things fair and help car count. How about letting the car that fit the posted rules run a 28x9 slick or 275/60 dr. Cars that have aftermarket blocks or other "race" parts have to run on a 26x8.5 +100# on the base weight for their combo. Just an idea...I'd love to see something local takeoff and work.

[WHYTRY]

If everyone is that fast they should run outlaw 8.5. We are not looking for an outlaw 8.5 class. They are going low 5s now. Will be high 4s this year.

i agree. this hole deal from what i was told was just for some good old fashion racing an on a 8.5 tire for anything to race within the rules. i like the idea

[mfoss]

Just looking at this overall.
This will quickly turn into a nitrous stroked windsor or BB class with those rules. Only other choice would be an F1 (which I don't understand why it's allowed). A F1 on a stroked windsor with a half filled block can probably make 900+hp.

Just throwing a idea out there that I think would help keep things fair and help car count. How about letting the car that fit the posted rules run a 28x9 slick or 275/60 dr. Cars that have aftermarket blocks or other "race" parts have to run on a 26x8.5 +100# on the base weight for their combo. Just an idea...I'd love to see something local takeoff and work.

I just copied these from another site. I wanted to see if there is any interest in a class like this. It seems there is some interest but need to change a few things. I dont want to leave people out but dont want a 5.50 class either. Jays car goes 1.2? 60ft on 8.5s. dont know if the tire is a factor.

[jack90gt]

Jays car goes 1.2? 60ft on 8.5s. dont know if the tire is a factor.[/QUOTE]
:eek: Holy shit batman.....On a 8.5?????

[fasthawk]

You were up there playing with Lackey. I didnt want to ruin your day. It was early and I was pitting with you guys all day.

Thats funny right there. I have lost before so not to worried about that

[Walter]

Just looking at this overall.
This will quickly turn into a nitrous stroked windsor or BB class with those rules. Only other choice would be an F1 (which I don't understand why it's allowed). A F1 on a stroked windsor with a half filled block can probably make 900+hp.
Just throwing a idea out there that I think would help keep things fair and help car count. How about letting the car that fit the posted rules run a 28x9 slick or 275/60 dr. Cars that have aftermarket blocks or other "race" parts have to run on a 26x8.5 +100# on the base weight for their combo. Just an idea...I'd love to see something local takeoff and work.

Exactly.

[mfoss]

Exactly.

Im good with discussing a bigger turbo but not going to let a sb with a 88. We all know what that can run. We just need a fair set of rules. Suggestions?

[fasthawk]

All kinding aside get rid of all electronics as in progresives, boost controlers and so on and the class would slow down. I think the old green car went a 1.27 or a 1.24 60 on a 8.5 so tire size would not do it.i do not think jays car or the green car could leave like that with out a progressive controller. If you are trying to keep the class in the high 5s say anyting faster than 5.80 your going home

[fasthawk]

The easy way to do this is have a heads up 8.5 index 5.80 class. You will never be able to make this fair for everyone, to many combos out there to control.

[fasthawk]

so then if i weigh in @ 3100 lbs with a aftermarket block is everyone cool with me running the class ? whats my spray cut off 350 400 lol ??????????? hell if anything a aftermarket block guy should get a weight brake since its @ least 50 more lbs on the nose of the car .

[jack90gt]

Anybody ever gonna make a slow race day so my 13 second junk on the can could get in on it...

[NO SHOT]

I think it would be fun!!How do they do licsence if you run low 6's high 5's?

[Jeff88coupe]

Technically I think NHRA's 1/8th mile cut off is a 6.39 for having a NHRA license (quicker than 9.99 in the 1/4). But not sure if the tracks would enforce it or not around here.

Trace Meyer running a F1R on ~400" SBF went a 5.11 at 140 on 26x8.5's at the ORTC race at GA in Oct. for what it's worth.

I think at a 80mm turbo would be closer to being even with a F1. Nitrous cars will still have the advantage. Several old school tricks to do with nitrous to get off the line without blowing the tires off from the early days of 8.5 racing before all the fancy electronics made it easy.

[Metcalf Racing]

Yeah I plan on just winning this so if you want just send me my check and we can forget the whole thing. :)

[Maximus]

Yeah I plan on just winning this so if you want just send me my check and we can forget the whole thing. :)

We have seen how that works for ya. Streetcar Shootout #1 qualifier and WHO redlights?

Just sayin.:D

[Metcalf Racing]

Yeah, you rigged the tree

[Walter]

Im good with discussing a bigger turbo but not going to let a sb with a 88. We all know what that can run. We just need a fair set of rules. Suggestions?

The turbo would have to be comparable to an F1 blower.

[Walter]

Assuming that is an F1a.

[Metcalf Racing]

Blowers are junk and for slow cars. But if you guys are scared of that one blower who no one around here probably even has then why not just lower the blower size?

[Kwik92GT]

Technically I think NHRA's 1/8th mile cut off is a 6.39 for having a NHRA license (quicker than 9.99 in the 1/4). But not sure if the tracks would enforce it or not around here.

Trace Meyer running a F1R on ~400" SBF went a 5.11 at 140 on 26x8.5's at the ORTC race at GA in Oct. for what it's worth.

I think at a 80mm turbo would be closer to being even with a F1. Nitrous cars will still have the advantage. Several old school tricks to do with nitrous to get off the line without blowing the tires off from the early days of 8.5 racing before all the fancy electronics made it easy.

Probably pretty close there Jeff. I'm guessing it will fall into the 80-82mm range if you're talking about the base F1. If its the F1R then it would need to be a 85-88mm depending on weight.

Stock block rule may hurt what you guys are trying to do here. There is no way a stock 8.2 block will be able to keep up with the other combos and stay together for long. I understand you are trying to keep things fairly simple but not sure when a block basically became a power adder. :dunno:

[Walter]

Probably pretty close there Jeff. I'm guessing it will fall into the 80-82mm range if you're talking about the base F1. If its the F1R then it would need to be a 85-88mm depending on weight.

Stock block rule may hurt what you guys are trying to do here. There is no way a stock 8.2 block will be able to keep up with the other combos and stay together for long. I understand you are trying to keep things fairly simple but not sure when a block basically became a power adder. :dunno:

For sure. Just not a good fit for stock 8.2 owners.

[Kwik92GT]

Blowers are junk and for slow cars. But if you guys are scared of that one blower who no one around here probably even has then why not just lower the blower size?

Says the guy with a stroked BBF and 400hp worth of pills. LOL The R version of that blower is no joke in all seriousness. Look up the names Trace Meyer and Jason Lee to get an idea of what that thing is capable of doing. Its a BAD bitch. :D

[fasthawk]

The stock block rule is basically limtting a person on horsepower other wise you may as well have a outlaw 8.5 class,and we can all see how they do on car counts

[93 coupe]

The stock block rule is basically limtting a person on horsepower other wise you may as well have a outlaw 8.5 class,and we can all see how they do on car counts

OSM and Kelly had car count problems because of the way it was ran. Look at London who had decent (8-12) car count all year and the race @ SGMP which had 22 cars enter.

I think if you want to limit this class you put a limit on SC, Turbo and Jet size. Also take away boost and nitrous controllers.

Who cares what block someone has if u limit there power adder.

Just my .02 :D

[Kwik92GT]

The stock block rule is basically limtting a person on horsepower other wise you may as well have a outlaw 8.5 class,and we can all see how they do on car counts

I understand the intent of the rule but to me your basically telling the stock block 8.2 guys to not show up. We all know the HP limits of that block and its nowhere near the others. I just think it has the potential of limiting the car count for the class. The class sounds cool and would like to see it succeed.

[Kwik92GT]

OSM and Kelly had car count problems because of the way it was ran. Look at London who had decent (8-12) car count all year and the race @ SGMP which had 22 cars enter.

I think if you want to limit this class you put a limit on SC, Turbo and Jet size. Also take away boost and nitrous controllers.

Who cares what block someone has if u limit there power adder.

Just my .02 :D

THIS!!!

[93 coupe]

These are the Real Street 275 rules and I think they look good...

*BODY & GLASS:
must run ndrra logo on car for points only.
Must have working headlights, tail lights, Stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory
"type" dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.
single seat ok.
Lexan permitted must be neat in appearance.
forward facing hood scoops and rear wings ok.
fiberglass limited to hood and decklid or hatch only.

*SUSPENSION:
No wheelie bars or 4 link suspension.
must have stock type suspension with factory frame rail or ladder bar with factory frame rail.
Coil overs and anti roll ok.

*TIRES:
-Maximum rear tire size allowed is 275/60-15 designation.
these radial sizes are equivalent to a 275 >
Size wheel Size Equivalent
P275/60R15 15 28 X 11.50R15
P295/50R16 16 28X11.50R16
P295/45R17 17 28X11.50R17
NO HOOSIER DRAG RADIALS
Tire must be used as intended from manufacturer. No alterations
permitted.

*POWER ADDERS:
Single type power adder only.
nos:
no multi stages. #4 nos line from firewall to solenoid.
no splitting of foggers or controlling nos flow electronically in any way. must use wot or toggle switch.
1 nos bottle in car.
no foggers on bb
double cross bar plates allowed.
nos sb max .082 jet on plate and max .026 on fogger
nos bb max .068 jet on plate
Nitrous entries maximum jetting
Small block, 6cyl and 4cyl
1 jet - .082
2 jets - .057
4 jets - .035
6 jets - .030
8 jets - .026

*FORCED INDUCTION:
no billett wheels allowed
max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size !!!!) no clipped wheels !!!!!!
max s/c sizes D1,V7,JT,NOVI 2000,KB 3.6
no boosted bb engines
air to air intercooler OR water meth injection with gas only. ( may not use both together)
air to water allowed with weight penalty . (see weights for description)

*EXHAUST:
must have mufflers on all entries except turbo cars.

*CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION:
maximum cid limit : sb 427 / bb 525 with stock deck height.
4150 carbs only
23*chevy, 20*ford, 18*mopar, 15*ls, on sb only
raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
mod motors ok, twisted wedge heads ok , (twisted wedge R heads ok with weight penalty, see weight for description)
bb heads are conventional iron only.
buick, pontiac,olds combos can run at sb weight (nos or n/a only)
no sheetmetal intakes.
no dry sump oil systems.
no clutchless type transmissions.

*FUEL:
pump gas , race gas , e85 ok

*ELECTRONICS:
ignition boxes limited to standard type 6 series only.
no slew, no traction control, no boost controller, no nos controller .
msd 6530 permitted on all combos.
add on boost reference timing retard boxes allowed.
digiset allowed on plate only.
piggy back ok .
stand alone efi fast or bs3 ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)

*WEIGHT:
4cyl - turbo, nos, or s/c 2800
v6 - nos 2950
sb n/a - 2750
sb nos - 3150 (see nos for allowed combos)
sb & 6cyl boosted 3250 ( see forced induction for allowed combos)
bb n/a 3000
bb nos 3300 (no foggers)

deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or s/c listed in forced induction.
deduct 50lbs non intercooled
deduct 50lbs on sb with cast iron heads.

add 100lbs for a/w intercooler
add 50lbs for twisted wedge R heads
add 50lbs for stand alone efi (fast & bs3)
add 50lbs for raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads .

***This class used to be a 5.9-6.30 class but like everything else it progressed to a high 5.6 to 6.20 class from what I seen.

Put everyone on a 8.5 and some may slow down a little.

[Metcalf Racing]

You guy act like someone is building a car for the class. This is supposed to be easy for you if you have a car that needs minor changes. No one is going to buy a $5k blower to run this race

[Metcalf Racing]

These are the Real Street 275 rules and I think they look good...

*BODY & GLASS:
must run ndrra logo on car for points only.
Must have working headlights, tail lights, Stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory
"type" dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.
single seat ok.
Lexan permitted must be neat in appearance.
forward facing hood scoops and rear wings ok.
fiberglass limited to hood and decklid or hatch only.

*SUSPENSION:
No wheelie bars or 4 link suspension.
must have stock type suspension with factory frame rail or ladder bar with factory frame rail.
Coil overs and anti roll ok.

*TIRES:
-Maximum rear tire size allowed is 275/60-15 designation.
these radial sizes are equivalent to a 275 >
Size wheel Size Equivalent
P275/60R15 15 28 X 11.50R15
P295/50R16 16 28X11.50R16
P295/45R17 17 28X11.50R17
NO HOOSIER DRAG RADIALS
Tire must be used as intended from manufacturer. No alterations
permitted.

*POWER ADDERS:
Single type power adder only.
nos:
no multi stages. #4 nos line from firewall to solenoid.
no splitting of foggers or controlling nos flow electronically in any way. must use wot or toggle switch.
1 nos bottle in car.
no foggers on bb
double cross bar plates allowed.
nos sb max .082 jet on plate and max .026 on fogger
nos bb max .068 jet on plate
Nitrous entries maximum jetting
Small block, 6cyl and 4cyl
1 jet - .082
2 jets - .057
4 jets - .035
6 jets - .030
8 jets - .026

*FORCED INDUCTION:
no billett wheels allowed
max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size !!!!) no clipped wheels !!!!!!
max s/c sizes D1,V7,JT,NOVI 2000,KB 3.6
no boosted bb engines
air to air intercooler OR water meth injection with gas only. ( may not use both together)
air to water allowed with weight penalty . (see weights for description)

*EXHAUST:
must have mufflers on all entries except turbo cars.

*CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION:
maximum cid limit : sb 427 / bb 525 with stock deck height.
4150 carbs only
23*chevy, 20*ford, 18*mopar, 15*ls, on sb only
raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
mod motors ok, twisted wedge heads ok , (twisted wedge R heads ok with weight penalty, see weight for description)
bb heads are conventional iron only.
buick, pontiac,olds combos can run at sb weight (nos or n/a only)
no sheetmetal intakes.
no dry sump oil systems.
no clutchless type transmissions.

*FUEL:
pump gas , race gas , e85 ok

*ELECTRONICS:
ignition boxes limited to standard type 6 series only.
no slew, no traction control, no boost controller, no nos controller .
msd 6530 permitted on all combos.
add on boost reference timing retard boxes allowed.
digiset allowed on plate only.
piggy back ok .
stand alone efi fast or bs3 ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)

*WEIGHT:
4cyl - turbo, nos, or s/c 2800
v6 - nos 2950
sb n/a - 2750
sb nos - 3150 (see nos for allowed combos)
sb & 6cyl boosted 3250 ( see forced induction for allowed combos)
bb n/a 3000
bb nos 3300 (no foggers)

deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or s/c listed in forced induction.
deduct 50lbs non intercooled
deduct 50lbs on sb with cast iron heads.

add 100lbs for a/w intercooler
add 50lbs for twisted wedge R heads
add 50lbs for stand alone efi (fast & bs3)
add 50lbs for raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads .

***This class used to be a 5.9-6.30 class but like everything else it progressed to a high 5.6 to 6.20 class from what I seen.

Put everyone on a 8.5 and some may slow down a little.
Now see I can't fit this class at all

[Walter]

Now see I can't fit this class at all

Why not? Should be easy for you with minor changes. :)

[93 coupe]

Now see I can't fit this class at all


With ur setup put some 8.5's on that beast and come to London and run with us.

Should be a 5.30-5.50 class this year :D

[Metcalf Racing]

With ur setup put some 8.5's on that beast and come to London and run with us.

Should be a 5.30-5.50 class this year :D
I'm thinking about it

[93 coupe]

I'm thinking about it

Cool :bigthumb

[draggin50]

These are the Real Street 275 rules and I think they look good...

*BODY & GLASS:
must run ndrra logo on car for points only.
Must have working headlights, tail lights, Stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory
"type" dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.
single seat ok.
Lexan permitted must be neat in appearance.
forward facing hood scoops and rear wings ok.
fiberglass limited to hood and decklid or hatch only.

*SUSPENSION:
No wheelie bars or 4 link suspension.
must have stock type suspension with factory frame rail or ladder bar with factory frame rail.
Coil overs and anti roll ok.

*TIRES:
-Maximum rear tire size allowed is 275/60-15 designation.
these radial sizes are equivalent to a 275 >
Size wheel Size Equivalent
P275/60R15 15 28 X 11.50R15
P295/50R16 16 28X11.50R16
P295/45R17 17 28X11.50R17
NO HOOSIER DRAG RADIALS
Tire must be used as intended from manufacturer. No alterations
permitted.

*POWER ADDERS:
Single type power adder only.
nos:
no multi stages. #4 nos line from firewall to solenoid.
no splitting of foggers or controlling nos flow electronically in any way. must use wot or toggle switch.
1 nos bottle in car.
no foggers on bb
double cross bar plates allowed.
nos sb max .082 jet on plate and max .026 on fogger
nos bb max .068 jet on plate
Nitrous entries maximum jetting
Small block, 6cyl and 4cyl
1 jet - .082
2 jets - .057
4 jets - .035
6 jets - .030
8 jets - .026

*FORCED INDUCTION:
no billett wheels allowed
max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size !!!!) no clipped wheels !!!!!!
max s/c sizes D1,V7,JT,NOVI 2000,KB 3.6
no boosted bb engines
air to air intercooler OR water meth injection with gas only. ( may not use both together)
air to water allowed with weight penalty . (see weights for description)

*EXHAUST:
must have mufflers on all entries except turbo cars.

*CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION:
maximum cid limit : sb 427 / bb 525 with stock deck height.
4150 carbs only
23*chevy, 20*ford, 18*mopar, 15*ls, on sb only
raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
mod motors ok, twisted wedge heads ok , (twisted wedge R heads ok with weight penalty, see weight for description)
bb heads are conventional iron only.
buick, pontiac,olds combos can run at sb weight (nos or n/a only)
no sheetmetal intakes.
no dry sump oil systems.
no clutchless type transmissions.

*FUEL:
pump gas , race gas , e85 ok

*ELECTRONICS:
ignition boxes limited to standard type 6 series only.
no slew, no traction control, no boost controller, no nos controller .
msd 6530 permitted on all combos.
add on boost reference timing retard boxes allowed.
digiset allowed on plate only.
piggy back ok .
stand alone efi fast or bs3 ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)

*WEIGHT:
4cyl - turbo, nos, or s/c 2800
v6 - nos 2950
sb n/a - 2750
sb nos - 3150 (see nos for allowed combos)
sb & 6cyl boosted 3250 ( see forced induction for allowed combos)
bb n/a 3000
bb nos 3300 (no foggers)

deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or s/c listed in forced induction.
deduct 50lbs non intercooled
deduct 50lbs on sb with cast iron heads.

add 100lbs for a/w intercooler
add 50lbs for twisted wedge R heads
add 50lbs for stand alone efi (fast & bs3)
add 50lbs for raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads .

***This class used to be a 5.9-6.30 class but like everything else it progressed to a high 5.6 to 6.20 class from what I seen.

Put everyone on a 8.5 and some may slow down a little.

What about aftermarket blocks? I didnt see anything about that in these rules. Just trying to see if my car would fit into here somehow.

[Jeff88coupe]

Now see I can't fit this class at all

Ah..got a fogger on your BB?


I like those rules. They seem open enough to let a variey of combos run..but still with limited poweradders. Hell...My junk the way i'm setting it up would have to weigh 3400#. It will be on the bumper sitting still with all the lead I'm gonna have to put in the trunk:lol:...but I'd still run.

[atbracn]

a 80mm is close to a f1 but i think if you run a aftermarket block just put weight in it and limit power adders to them and still no controllers of any sort or 7531 boxes. controllers and boxes will make any car run. either way i will be there.

[Gene]

I think this is a good plan. We need a good Outlaw series at one of the local tracks. Make the rules open enough that you can get decent car counts and it'll be successful.

If you don't have luck getting something together with Edgewater or Tri-State, I'm fairly certain that Thornhill is still interested in running Outlaws down there. PM me or give me a call and I can get you in touch with Jerry Saylor and Dale Ritchie about making something happen there if you want.

For that matter, I've also talked with Dick @ Edgewater about running Outlaws there. He has expressed interest as well, but you have to plan on being a pro-bono race promoter. ;)

[Timido]

I like the idea of the class. I think the class could go 5.70s pretty easy. Much faster I think the blocks would start coming apart. Taking the timers and controlers out of the class really makes the class that much better than the anything goes 8.5 stuff. Keep in mind a 6.0 car could win the class by just getting down the track everytime. A true 8.5 tire with no timing or controls at Edgewater and Tristate would really show who can get a tire to hook.

[Metcalf Racing]

Tristate is an equalizer in its self

[mfoss]

I like the idea of the class. I think the class could go 5.70s pretty easy. Much faster I think the blocks would start coming apart. Taking the timers and controlers out of the class really makes the class that much better than the anything goes 8.5 stuff. Keep in mind a 6.0 car could win the class by just getting down the track everytime. A true 8.5 tire with no timing or controls at Edgewater and Tristate would really show who can get a tire to hook.

Are you in?

[orangecoupe]

Mike you can count me in as well. I like the rules you posted since 2 others tracks are using those and you can race multiple events if you choose to without a lot of changes to the car.

[Timido]

If all goes well this week I will be a Drunk Spectator. If I still have a car I am sure I could be the guy running 6.0 all day long.

[mfoss]

I changed a few things. What do you think? Your never going to make everyone happy. WHO WANTS TO RUN? IM LOOKING FOR A HEAD COUNT. I have a few sponsors that would put up some money or prizes.
*BODY & GLASS:

Must have working headlights, tail lights, Stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory
"type" dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.
single seat ok.

forward facing hood scoops and rear wings ok.
fiberglass limited to hood and decklid or hatch only.

*SUSPENSION:
No wheelie bars or 4 link suspension.
must have stock type suspension with factory frame rail or ladder bar with factory frame rail.
Coil overs and anti roll ok.

*TIRES:.
26x8.5 15in
max 10in rim





Tire must be used as intended from manufacturer. No alterations
permitted.

*POWER ADDERS:
Single type power adder only.
nos:
no multi stages. #4 nos line from firewall to solenoid.
no controlling nos flow electronically in any way. must use wot or toggle switch.
1 nos bottle in car.

double cross bar plates allowed.
nos sb max .073 jet on plate and max .026 on fogger
nos bb max .063 jet on plate
Nitrous entries maximum jetting
Small block, 6cyl
1 jet - .073
2 jets - .052



Big block
1 jet -.063
*FORCED INDUCTION:
no billett wheels allowed
max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size !!!!) no clipped wheels !!!!!!
max s/c sizes D1,V7,JT,NOVI 2000,KB 3.6

no boosted bb engines
air to air intercooler OR water meth injection with gas only. ( may not use both together)
air to water allowed with weight penalty . (see weights for description)

*EXHAUST:
must have mufflers on all entries except turbo cars.

*CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION:


23*chevy, 20*ford, 18*mopar, 15*ls, on sb only
raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
mod motors ok, twisted wedge heads ok , (twisted wedge R heads ok with weight penalty, see weight for description)
bb heads are conventional only.
buick, pontiac,olds combos can run at sb weight (nos or n/a only)
no sheetmetal intakes.
no dry sump oil systems.
no clutchless type transmissions.

*FUEL:
pump gas , race gas , e85 ok

*ELECTRONICS:
ignition boxes limited to standard type 6 series only.
no slew, no traction control, no boost controller, no nos controller .
msd 6530 permitted on all combos.
add on boost reference timing retard boxes allowed.
digiset allowed on plate only.
piggy back ok .
stand alone efi fast or bs3 ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)

*WEIGHT:

v6 - nos 2950
sb n/a - 2750
sb nos - 3000 (see nos for allowed combos)
sb & 6cyl boosted 3250 ( see forced induction for allowed combos)
bb n/a 3000
bb nos 3250 (no foggers)

deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or s/c listed in forced induction.
deduct 50lbs non intercooled
deduct 50lbs on sb with cast iron heads.

add 100lbs for a/w intercooler
add 50lbs for twisted wedge R heads
add 50lbs for stand alone efi (fast & bs3)
add 50lbs for raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads .

***This class used to be a 5.9-6.30 class but like everything else it progressed to a high 5.6 to 6.20 class from what I seen.

Put everyone on a 8.5 and some may slow down a little.
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[mfoss]

This way theres a limit on the nos.
73=200 sb
52x2=200 sb
63=150 bb

[Metcalf Racing]

I work with these rules

[NO SHOT]

This way theres a limit on the nos.
73=200 sb
52x2=200 sb
63=150 bb

Did you mean 82=sb ????:confused:
If so I could get in!!:D

[mfoss]

Did you mean 82=sb ????:confused:
If so I could get in!!:D
Well thats what they had but I lowered the weights for sb. You dont need that big of a jet anyway.lol

[NO SHOT]

My best is a 6.18 at tristate so far.Maybe with the arb cage and a shorter tire???Is this a 26"tire or?

[mfoss]

My best is a 6.18 at tristate so far.Maybe with the arb cage and a shorter tire???Is this a 26"tire or?

Yes 26x8.5
A little tuning and thats a 5 sec car for sure. Whats it weigh? You can weigh 3000

[NO SHOT]

I havnt weighed it.Its all there heater and wipers eveything it came with.I kinda tried to weigh the cage thats going in.Coming up with about 120 lbs.I was racing it with 120 lbs. in the hatch.It has the tubular k-member a-arms and coil overs.Is the weight car weight or car and driver??It matters LOL!!!

[Metcalf Racing]

That's car plus driver

[mfoss]

I havnt weighed it.Its all there heater and wipers eveything it came with.I kinda tried to weigh the cage thats going in.Coming up with about 120 lbs.I was racing it with 120 lbs. in the hatch.It has the tubular k-member a-arms and coil overs.Is the weight car weight or car and driver??It matters LOL!!!

I know what you mean. My wife has me on a diet and I am eating good but last weekend I had 1 1/2 pitchers of beer on friday and saturday I had 2 pitchers of beer and 4 crown and cokes. I kinda messed the diet up. Oh well it was fun.

[atbracn]

Everything looks good but the electronics. Can't you make the bigstuff or fast do the same as traction control? I would bump up the sc and turbo's to a 80mm and f1. Do you guys think a ysi is about the same as a f1 if it was a serp. Drive? I will be there for sure

[outlaw85]

So you can run any block u want?

[mfoss]

So you can run any block u want?

Yes, but with the jet rule and no boost or nos controllers I dont think it will matter. I really think its going to be nitrous cars anyway. I have a guy that wants to run a windsor and a ysi. But dont know about that yet. Need to research it. Any thoughts?

[outlaw85]

Maybe with production block only limit to -4 line only not jet size. That still limits NOS alot but gives you a little over say a Dart blocked 632. I like the Ohio Valley rules alot but I will support u either way if you get something setup!

[outlaw85]

Actually I think most will agree the only aftermarket block allowed should be the 8.2 SBF.

[mfoss]

Actually I think most will agree the only aftermarket block allowed should be the 8.2 SBF.

I would like to know how many aftermarket block cars will run. I dont care just trying to let everyone run. I like the valley/us60 rules too but a few PMed me on aftermarket blocks. I didnt want to leave them out. Im not going to make everyone happy but I will try my best.
I would like a head count of people that will run and wich rules they like.

[93 coupe]

Yes, but with the jet rule and no boost or nos controllers I dont think it will matter. I really think its going to be nitrous cars anyway. I have a guy that wants to run a windsor and a ysi. But dont know about that yet. Need to research it. Any thoughts?

Those rules have been around a couple of years and seem to be fair.

There are CI limits on small and BB combos so no one is gonna run a 632 anything. :lol:

The jet size will help keep the field level imo. :bigthumb

[93 coupe]

Actually I think most will agree the only aftermarket block allowed should be the 8.2 SBF.

Josh whats ur combo?

[93 coupe]

I would like to run this class Mike.

8.2 with a plate.

[mfoss]

I would like to run this class Mike.

8.2 with a plate.

WOOOOO!!! It was all motor the other day.

[mfoss]

Josh whats ur combo?

When I was out there it looked like an ex prostock motor with spray.lol

[93 coupe]

WOOOOO!!! It was all motor the other day.

Don't think I could get it that light without cuttin the car up.

[93 coupe]

When I was out there it looked like an ex prostock motor with spray.lol


But it's a stock block :lol:

[fasthawk]

I think there will be a certain green and blue mustang there.Times are tough and have to buy tires

[mfoss]

Don't think I could get it that light without cuttin the car up.

A guy on 502underground asked if he could run an aftremarket 8.2 deck and the asnwer was YES. We all know a stock block 8.2 cant handle the power to run this class.

[mfoss]

I think there will be a certain green and blue mustang there.Times are tough and have to buy tires

What about a blue dart?

[fasthawk]

What about a blue dart?

Do not have enough for this , but i will be busy enough with the other ones.If that dont work i will have the dust pan, broom, and oil dry for cleanups.

[fasthawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEeBJBhAvw4

--------------------
I AM ONE LAB ACCIDENT AWAY FROM BEING A SUPER VILLAIN



Foss this is whats going to happen to you anyway:lol:

[mfoss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEeBJBhAvw4

--------------------
I AM ONE LAB ACCIDENT AWAY FROM BEING A SUPER VILLAIN



Foss this is whats going to happen to you anyway:lol:

I will have to watch it when I get home. I sure its good:rolleyes:

[fasthawk]

IM IN FOR SURE

[mfoss]

IM IN FOR SURE

Why dont you register? Your going to drunk type one night and get that dart in trouble.

[outlaw85]

When I was out there it looked like an ex prostock motor with spray.lol

Prostock motor LOL now thats funny! It's a stroked 460 with trickflow heads. Motor was built for NMRA true street 11to1 compression small cam and huge fuel cell so it was definately not purpose built for this type of class. My old Yates headed small block made more power N/A than my new BBF does!

[JASON408]

I think if you do the jet limit on like reals street runs at that point in does not matter what block you run it onlys matters if one guy gets to spray more and with the jet limit you both get the same amount of spray . The only differnce is the dart block guys are hanging 50 more pounds on the front . I mean my motor and foss motor are real simlar same heads real close on cam and intake . both prob make 700 and with the same tune up on a 82 pill would prob run real close only diffence being if we steped to a 125 pill then the dart block would be much faster since the stock block would be all over the starting line :lol:

[Metcalf Racing]

BBF FTW

[Jeff88coupe]

If I can find a cheap 76mm T6 housing turbo...I'll going to try to run the class. Just have to see if buying another turbo is going to be in the budget since I already have a pt88. My combo will be a 338/turbo/fast/a to w intercooler....ie heavy. Anyone got any extra lead laying around....I'll be melting it down to make a solid rear lead bumper.

[orangecoupe]

why don't you guys just go ahead and make the rules no big blocks, small blocks only. it looks like thats what you want. not trying to sound like a dick about it, but if these are the rules i will just stay at the house. i think vern's rules are the way to go.

[MFIELD]

Mike, sounds like a good time, dont know if I will be fast enough to compete or not and I believe I would have to add weight to be legal. Good luck with it.

[mfoss]

why don't you guys just go ahead and make the rules no big blocks, small blocks only. it looks like thats what you want. not trying to sound like a dick about it, but if these are the rules i will just stay at the house. i think vern's rules are the way to go.

Well I changed the real street rules around to accommodate the big blocks. What dont you guys like? Like I said we are still working on the rules. Did you have a bad day? damn!!! Just give me some suggestions. If I let dart blocks in and let them spray whatever then thats not fair for any of us. Or an 88mm, we all know what that can do. This is early in the stages.

[93 coupe]

why don't you guys just go ahead and make the rules no big blocks, small blocks only. it looks like thats what you want. not trying to sound like a dick about it, but if these are the rules i will just stay at the house. i think vern's rules are the way to go.

Sounds good to me. :D

[Walter]

Lets roll with the rules on the first post, but make the turbo max 76mm to be comparable with the blower max. Not real familiar with nitrous jetting, but whatever is comparable. I really like the production block theme, we should stay with this. Also is a 275-60 radial out of the question?

[Jeff88coupe]

why don't you guys just go ahead and make the rules no big blocks, small blocks only. it looks like thats what you want. not trying to sound like a dick about it, but if these are the rules i will just stay at the house. i think vern's rules are the way to go.


Why do you say that? A bb with conventional heads with a plate (even with the jet limits) should be very compedative at the listed weights.

[mfoss]

I went back through the real street rules and dont know what the issue is. I know what your building and it fits these rules. Maybe im missing something. What needs adjusted?
If ANYONE thinks they are sticking an BIG nos jet with no controllers and going to hook, think again. Unless a motor makes about 400hp. Or you have a lot of time on your chassis. You guys will be blowing tires off. And if thats what everyone wants im good with it. With these rules im worried about my bumper.lol

[Jeff88coupe]

Lets roll with the rules on the first post, but make the turbo max 76mm to be comparable with the blower max. Not real familiar with nitrous jetting, but whatever is comparable. I really like the production block theme, we should stay with this. Also is a 275-60 radial out of the question?

I agree with this except for the stock block rule. I really feel it puts the sbf 8.2" deck block at a major disadvantage...you should know this with your combo. Even a 302 mexican or real boss block is at a disadvantage to what kind of power it will hold vs. a stock 69-70 windsor block.

[orangecoupe]

mike i will send u a pm. as i said wasnt trying to sound like a dick but with the internet sometimes it can seem that way. I had a good day fwiw.

[mfoss]

mike i will send u a pm. as i said wasnt trying to sound like a dick but with the internet sometimes it can seem that way. I had a good day fwiw.

Im good.
But I really do want you guys to have input. I dont know everything about all combos. I want this to be a fair set of rules. We all know if we get car count that great things could happen. Low car count is the class killer. (OSM) Just locally we should have 10-12 cars.

[Walter]

I agree with this except for the stock block rule. I really feel it puts the sbf 8.2" deck block at a major disadvantage...you should know this with your combo. Even a 302 mexican or real boss block is at a disadvantage to what kind of power it will hold vs. a stock 69-70 windsor block.

The first set of rules has a 100lb weight break for 8.2 deck.

What about radials?

[mfoss]

The first set of rules has a 100lb weight break for 8.2 deck.

What about radials?

NO radials

[Walter]

NO radials

Are they that much faster?

[93snake]

just curious, why no radials?

[Jeff88coupe]

just curious, why no radials?

A 275/60 dr has a major advantage over a 26x8.5 slick. A 8.5 slick for the class is the major part of keeping the class slowed down. Heck guys are going 4.80's on a 275/60. I'm all for letting a 235/60 dr in the class.

[93snake]

A 275/60 dr has a major advantage over a 26x8.5 slick. A 8.5 slick for the class is the major part of keeping the class slowed down. Heck guys are going 4.80's on a 275/60. I'm all for letting a 235/60 dr in the class.

I wasnt saying any size... but I see your point... just wondering why it was a quick no to radials but seem to be interested in hearing other input, thats all. So is it just about size ( 8.5 x 26 ) or just no to radials for other reasons?

[mfoss]

I wasnt saying any size... but I see your point... just wondering why it was a quick no to radials but seem to be interested in hearing other input, thats all. So is it just about size ( 8.5 x 26 ) or just no to radials for other reasons?

The radial is faster, how much I dont know. But the 8.5 is the spec tire for the class. We could start letting in prog. boxes , nitrous controllers and so on. If someone wants rules like that they can go x275 or outlaw 8.5 racing. We are trying to run a affordable class thats around low 6 high 5 sec 1/8 mile.
I dont care about dart blocks on a limited nos jet but a dart block turbo/supercharger could get very fast. (unlimited boost) Im not saying we wont run them.

[93snake]

just curious, thanks for the answer.

[atbracn]

I agree with this except for the stock block rule. I really feel it puts the sbf 8.2" deck block at a major disadvantage...you should know this with your combo. Even a 302 mexican or real boss block is at a disadvantage to what kind of power it will hold vs. a stock 69-70 windsor block.

how much power do you think a dart block say a 363ci with a f1,ysi or 76mm will make compared to 69 stock block windsor with a 73 jet (around 150 shot)? we have seen it before.plus your wanting to add a fast injection with a\w intercooler? to me that is a f1r or 88mm turbo away from being outlaw 8.5. i think a dart block is fine for all with the same jet size and no boost for a dart 9.5 and NO after market fuel managment system and NO a\w intercooler. i aslo like NO controler of any sort or 7531 box. i also think bb with the same jets will be fine. this class should be 5.80-6.00 and a chassis tuners race. sorry jeff if you think i'm picking on you, that's not my intention.hell mikes car with a 4 speed ,out of the box trick flow heads,331 stock block, on the motor went 6.60's. it would go 5.90's on spray.:bigthumb

[Timido]

I might or might not have a dog in this race but.... I think the production block rule will only make a mess. I like the Idea of limiting the power adders but I dont think the blocks should be the limiting factor. Is there a jet limit now? I thought I read .052 for 2 jet or .073 for single. That should be about a 150-175 That should be enough to kill a set of 8.5s on my car.

[mfoss]

I might or might not have a dog in this race but.... I think the production block rule will only make a mess. I like the Idea of limiting the power adders but I dont think the blocks should be the limiting factor. Is there a jet limit now? I thought I read .052 for 2 jet or .073 for single. That should be about a 150-175 That should be enough to kill a set of 8.5s on my car.

There is no jet rule yet. If we let aftermarket blocks in we will have to. The jets I posted were 200 shot and 150 for bb. The jet rules wont affect me either way, im not spraying that much.
I have a few aftermarket block guys wanting to run.

[Metcalf Racing]

I forget if I show up NA can I catch a weight break?

[fasthawk]

There is no jet rule yet. If we let aftermarket blocks in we will have to. The jets I posted were 200 shot and 150 for bb. The jet rules wont affect me either way, im not spraying that much.
I have a few aftermarket block guys wanting to run.


Got the old foss 150 tune going huh !!!!!!!!!!!

You almost got to let aftermarket blocks in,most guys that are planning to got this fast have already got a aftermarket block. As jay said they have already got a extra 50 or what ever on the front. The only down fall with good blocks are a windsor base can get alot more cubes than the stock block but also could have a harder time making the car work with extra tq .

[JASON408]

Here is my take on the the rules disscution. While i like verns rules the stock block thing makes a couple combos get a big avanage over the rest and realy limits cars counts not trying to pick on people but stock big block fords can go 557 and make 1000 hp before getin to the block limits and bbc well over 1000 and 9.5 decks about 850or 900 so those combos going to be alot better not to have a jet limit on since they can spray more than the next guy . But a stock 8.2 deck be lucky to make 600 before it breaks . now the real street stlye rules with the jet limit kind of bring everyone a little close and keeps it more the same speed . Becuase while the no controlers and boxes might sound good on paper imo it just make the people who know how to get around that stuff much faster quicker . But limiting the jet the motor can only make so much hp no matter what block or box or controler you had . 2 years ago vern ran a limit limited class down there and let anything go but the jet most of the field went 5.70s to 6.00s with one car in the 50s and that it what hes new stock block rules should will be runing but stoping alot of cars from runing it with the one rule .

[outlaw85]

Here is my take on the the rules disscution. While i like verns rules the stock block thing makes a couple combos get a big avanage over the rest and realy limits cars counts not trying to pick on people but stock big block fords can go 557 and make 1000 hp before getin to the block limits and bbc well over 1000 and 9.5 decks about 850or 900 so those combos going to be alot better not to have a jet limit on since they can spray more than the next guy . But a stock 8.2 deck be lucky to make 600 before it breaks . now the real street stlye rules with the jet limit kind of bring everyone a little close and keeps it more the same speed . Becuase while the no controlers and boxes might sound good on paper imo it just make the people who know how to get around that stuff much faster quicker . But limiting the jet the motor can only make so much hp no matter what block or box or controler you had . 2 years ago vern ran a limit limited class down there and let anything go but the jet most of the field went 5.70s to 6.00s with one car in the 50s and that it what hes new stock block rules should will be runing but stoping alot of cars from runing it with the one rule .


I agree with alot of what you said especially what hp. the motors are capable of producing. But i thought the whole intention of this class was to be entry level and not have the 1,000 hp. bigblock like Kevin or Justin or the high hp. small blocks like Martin and others. I realize they have controllers, alot more hit, and prog. ignitions but IMO the only way to get car count is to keep et in the 5.70-6.20 range or it will not survive. Just saying it could get way out of hand before it even gets off the ground if there's not holdbacks from the start.

[93 coupe]

hell mikes car with a 4 speed ,out of the box trick flow heads,331 stock block, on the motor went 6.60's. it would go 5.90's on spray.:bigthumb

It would've tore the fuckin car up is what it would've done! That car was already on the bumber.

He would've had to kill it a ton to get it out on spray and a 8.5. Jay and I have raced with this tire for some time and it'll take almost anything u can throw at it but be prepared! LOL



http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac20/CTino/_MG_0606.jpg

[Jeff88coupe]

how much power do you think a dart block say a 363ci with a f1,ysi or 76mm will make compared to 69 stock block windsor with a 73 jet (around 150 shot)? we have seen it before.plus your wanting to add a fast injection with a\w intercooler? to me that is a f1r or 88mm turbo away from being outlaw 8.5. i think a dart block is fine for all with the same jet size and no boost for a dart 9.5 and NO after market fuel managment system and NO a\w intercooler. i aslo like NO controler of any sort or 7531 box. i also think bb with the same jets will be fine. this class should be 5.80-6.00 and a chassis tuners race. sorry jeff if you think i'm picking on you, that's not my intention.hell mikes car with a 4 speed ,out of the box trick flow heads,331 stock block, on the motor went 6.60's. it would go 5.90's on spray.:bigthumb


I don't think anyone is going to "build" a combo to run this class. The rules are open enough to let alot of different combos in to get a decent car count..which is what Mike is trying to do. This class is mainly for fun and bragging rights...with a little prize money for the winner/runner-up. I think the set of "real street" rules Mike has proposed running on a 26x8.5 tire will work pretty good. With the power adder limits and the small tire...I think the class will stay in the high 5 to low 6 second range.
I'm actually building my combo to run in London's 8.5 class...which is why I already have a 88mm turbo. I'm running a FAST system since I'm running E-85 and need bigger injectors than what a stock computer can support. If the rules allow aftermarket 8.2 deck blocks...I'm going to try to find a 76mm turbo to fit on my turbo kit to run the class since I want to support and see a local class do well.

[JASON408]

I agree with alot of what you said especially what hp. the motors are capable of producing. But i thought the whole intention of this class was to be entry level and not have the 1,000 hp. bigblock like Kevin or Justin or the high hp. small blocks like Martin and others. I realize they have controllers, alot more hit, and prog. ignitions but IMO the only way to get car count is to keep et in the 5.70-6.20 range or it will not survive. Just saying it could get way out of hand before it even gets off the ground if there's not holdbacks from the start.

iMO i think the jet limit puts everone on a level playing field . You can have a motor just like justin or kevins in a stock block .You can can punch a big block ford to a 557 and slap a set of a460s on snd make well over 850 na in a stock block and spray it with a good amont down at the valley . hell the motor foss had last year was a 557 with a stock block made 860na and went 5.30s on spray with a 275 with no controler. now with a jet limit on it it the motor would only make so much. and the jet can be lowered if a combo is going to fast . cant do anything with verns rules once some shows up there runing in the 50s . And i think it will have low 60s first race at the valley

[JASON408]

It would've tore the fuckin car up is what it would've done! That car was already on the bumber.

He would've had to kill it a ton to get it out on spray and a 8.5. Jay and I have raced with this tire for some time and it'll take almost anything u can throw at it but be prepared! LOL



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GOOD TO SEE OLD SEXY BITCH AGIAN!!!!! thing was always in the air http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7NwTjQ4Iac

[facemelter71]

If I decide to get my car going for this type of thing,can some one help me setup my suspension? Ive got Coilovers all the way around,and have no idea how to set it up.

[Metcalf Racing]

Don't feel bad I'm going to need to be showed also...lol

[Timido]

http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68681&highlight=capri

Great car for 8.5 racing! Put a set of tires on it and let her eat. I think the 8.5 tires should fit my 10" rims just right

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/5027290443_dd2c1bddf8.jpg

[Timido]

So what do you think the fast cars will run in this

[Metcalf Racing]

A little slower than me. Lol

[mfoss]

So what do you think the fast cars will run in this

I think the average will be 5.90 6.0s. I know a couple will go faster. It shouldnt be faster than a .70:D If it is faster than a .70 we will look at that combo and figure out what to do. I dont want this to get out of hand. This IS for fun and some cash. How many of us go down on test and tune and beat our cars for nothing?

[Metcalf Racing]

Sounds like a throttle stop maybe in order. Lol

[atbracn]

my 289ci should go some 5.90's or so. how much can i spray to the fogger mike with this jerico? can i weigh 2800lbs?

[Jeff88coupe]

Rules sound good to me. I'm on the lookout now for a cheap T6 flange 76mm turbo so I can play.

[mfoss]

Ok lets vote on the rules. Only vote if your going to run




Production Blocks only
All ignitions must be mounted in a visable area ( not hidden under dash )

No programmable ignitions
No timing controllers (ie digi sets ect )
No controllers of any kind Period ( 2 steps ok )
No whelie bars
purge on nos must exit the vehicle ( ie not under hood or cowl panel )
nitrous bottle monted in trunk only
one nos bottle on nos vehicle


Power adders

BB NOS only, Plate only, -4 Feed line only 1 fuel and 1 nos solenoid only

SB NOS Plate only, -6 feed lines 1 fuel and 1 no solenoid only

SB blower F-1 or same size from dfferent brand name

SB turbo True 2.6 Inducer only

Weights -

BB - 3250

SB NOS- 3000

SB TURBO - 3250

SB BLOWER - 3250

WEIGHT BREAKS -

8.2 deck blocks get 100 lbs.

Blow thru gets 75 lbs.

no combined weight breaks

Weight penalties 75lbs for fogger ( only perrmited on sb combos )

26x8.5x15 slick ONLY o 10inch wheel MAX

Please no metal showing in interior

exterior stock appearing with all lights working no turn signals ok
aftermarket hoods ok
other than that just as long as it looks stock that's fine

Cars will be checked and inspected at anytime during qualifying and eleminations at random. Weights will be checked every round if possible.

25 dollar entry fee into race on top of any track entry fee. There will be awards for 1st and 2nd . dependent on how the first race goes and the var count awards mey be given back to 4th.

ANYONE CAUGHT CHEATING IN AYWAY WILL BE EJECTED FROM THE RACE AND NOT ALOUD TO RETURN TO THE CLASS FOR A YEAR.........

Rules may be adjusted but this is pretty much the set rules for this class.

er who would run this.

[mfoss]

Or do you like these
must run ndrra logo on car for points only.
Must have working headlights, tail lights, Stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory
"type" dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.
single seat ok.
.
fiberglass limited to hood and decklid or hatch only.

*SUSPENSION:
No wheelie bars or 4 link suspension.
must have stock type suspension with factory frame rail or ladder bar with factory frame rail.
Coil overs and anti roll ok.

*TIRES:
26x8.5 slick

*POWER ADDERS:
Single type power adder only.
nos:
no multi stages. #4 nos line from firewall to solenoid.
no splitting of foggers or controlling nos flow electronically in any way. must use wot or toggle switch.
1 nos bottle in car.
no foggers on bb
double cross bar plates allowed.
nos sb max .082 jet on plate and max .026 on fogger
nos bb max .068 jet on plate
Nitrous entries maximum jetting
Small block, 6cyl and 4cyl
1 jet - .082
2 jets - .057
4 jets - .035
6 jets - .030
8 jets - .026

*FORCED INDUCTION:
no billett wheels allowed
max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size !!!!) no clipped wheels !!!!!!
max s/c sizes D1,V7,JT,NOVI 2000,KB 3.6
no boosted bb engines
air to air intercooler OR water meth injection with gas only. ( may not use both together)
air to water allowed with weight penalty . (see weights for description)

*EXHAUST:
must have mufflers on all entries except turbo cars.

*CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION:
maximum cid limit : sb 427 / bb 525 with stock deck height.
4150 carbs only
23*chevy, 20*ford, 18*mopar, 15*ls, on sb only
raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
mod motors ok, twisted wedge heads ok , (twisted wedge R heads ok with weight penalty, see weight for description)
bb heads are conventional iron only.
buick, pontiac,olds combos can run at sb weight (nos or n/a only)
no sheetmetal intakes.
no dry sump oil systems.
no clutchless type transmissions.

*FUEL:
pump gas , race gas , e85 ok

*ELECTRONICS:
ignition boxes limited to standard type 6 series only.
no slew, no traction control, no boost controller, no nos controller .
msd 6530 permitted on all combos.
add on boost reference timing retard boxes allowed.
digiset allowed on plate only.
piggy back ok .
stand alone efi fast or bs3 ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)

*WEIGHT:
4cyl - turbo, nos, or s/c 2800
v6 - nos 2950
sb n/a - 2750
sb nos - 3150 (see nos for allowed combos)
sb & 6cyl boosted 3250 ( see forced induction for allowed combos)
bb n/a 3000
bb nos 3300 (no foggers)

deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or s/c listed in forced induction.
deduct 50lbs non intercooled
deduct 50lbs on sb with cast iron heads.
deduct 100lbs for stock block
add 100lbs for a/w intercooler
add 50lbs for twisted wedge R heads
add 50lbs for stand alone efi (fast & bs3)
add 50lbs for raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads .



Put everyone on a 8.5 and some may slow down a little.
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[Jeff88coupe]

I like the 2nd set. The first set will turn into a BB or at least half filled 351 stroker block class since no 8.2" deck guys will have a chance.
The 2nd set will let more guys be able to run their existing combos....which I think should be one of the main factors trying to start a heads up class. I don't think anyone will "build" a combo to run this class...just tweek what they have.

Also...what kind of schedule would running the class on? Once a month?

If rule set #2 is used...then I'll be there if possible to run in and support the class.

[Metcalf Racing]

If you run the second set of rules it will dq me and outlaw85

[Jeff88coupe]

If you run the second set of rules it will dq me and outlaw85


How so?

[orangecoupe]

I like the first set of rules, the second set will DQ me as well.

[orangecoupe]

How so?

The cubic inch and carb limits will get the 3 of us.

[Jeff88coupe]

I'd be all for letting BB's over the ci limit/carb limit run n/a with a conventional style head.

[Metcalf Racing]

We still have stock blocks so are limited on power adders anyway. I say we let the tire be the equalizer!

[orangecoupe]

We still have stock blocks so are limited on power adders anyway. I say we let the tire be the equalizer!

I agree, I don't know why everyone is so worried about the BB's. Mine is under the cube limit, but I run a dominator.

[JASON408]

The 2nd set of rules with some tweeks could work . one thing is the 2nd set of rules has been run for a while and they got it pretty much figured out how to keep it in the 5.70s . I would have to agree with most that the first set would be ruled buy big blocks and big winsors . just the facts a stock block big block can stand well over 1000 before breaking and about 850 to 900 on a 9.5 deck . But if you open the 2nd set up a litlle and use the jet limit it relay dont matter what block or controler or box any one has a 82 pill will only go so fast and if it does you drop it to a 75 pill and so on till that combo runs with the rest with out killing you car count with one rule . Now my motor and foss are almost the same and would prob run within a few tenths on motor but on spray he can run about a 82 pill max because of stock block . Well if we were both limted to a 82 pill they would run the same no matter what block the other had . The first set of rules imo just lets the guys that got the money not to care or really got there tune ups down a big advange over the little guy who cant afford to split his shit spraying a 400 shot to his stuff

[orangecoupe]

I wouldn't have a problem with the 2nd set if they were opened up a little. I say get some rules out and lets run the cars and see where we're at and go from there.

[Metcalf Racing]

So let's run the first set of rules and see how out of line it is. I for one was told I'm maxed at a 200 shot so I was starting my car off na

[mfoss]

Look at these. If there is a combo that is faster or slower we can adjust at any time with a vote from EVERYONE that is racing. I just think with these rules it will be faster than what everyone thinks. But with the other rules we wont have enough cars. I like the first set of rules but I have a few that want to run that dont fit. Tell me what you think? If we cant get 10 cars to race under either set of rules we will not do this. And I also dont want a few cars running 50s and 40s while the rest are going 80s. Thats not good racing for the racers or spectators. THE RULES ARE NOT SET IN STONE. But it needs to be by this weekend.
If everyone wants to meet up this weekend and discuss the rules, we could do that. Just let me know. We could get some wings and talk about what everyone likes and dont like.



Must have working headlights, tail lights, Stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory
"type" dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.
single seat ok.
.
fiberglass limited to hood and decklid or hatch only.

*SUSPENSION:
No wheelie bars or 4 link suspension.
must have stock type suspension with factory frame rail or ladder bar with factory frame rail.
Coil overs and anti roll ok.

*TIRES:
26x8.5 slick

*POWER ADDERS:
Single type power adder only.
nos:
no multi stages.
no splitting of foggers or controlling nos flow electronically in any way. must use wot or toggle switch.
1 nos bottle in car.
no foggers on bb
double cross bar plates allowed.
nos sb max .082 jet on plate and max .026 on fogger
nos bb max .068 jet on plate
Nitrous entries maximum jetting
Small block, 6cyl and 4cyl
1 jet - .082
2 jets - .057
4 jets - .035
6 jets - .030
8 jets - .026

*FORCED INDUCTION:
no billet wheels allowed
max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size !!!!) no clipped wheels !!!!!!
max s/c sizes D1,V7,JT,NOVI 2000,KB 3.6
no boosted bb engines
air to air intercooler OR water meth injection with gas only. ( may not use both together)
air to water allowed with weight penalty . (see weights for description)

*EXHAUST:
must have mufflers on all entries except turbo cars.

*CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION:
23*chevy, 20*ford, 18*mopar, 15*ls, on sb only
raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
mod motors ok, twisted wedge heads ok , (twisted wedge R heads ok with weight penalty, see weight for description)
bb heads are conventional only.
buick, pontiac,olds combos can run at sb weight (nos or n/a only)
no sheetmetal intakes.
no dry sump oil systems.
no clutchless type transmissions.

*FUEL:
pump gas , race gas , e85 ok

*ELECTRONICS:
any ignition box
no slew, no traction control, no boost controller, no nos controller .
msd 6530 permitted on all combos.
add on boost reference timing retard boxes allowed.
digiset allowed on plate only.
piggy back ok .
stand alone efi fast or bs3 ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)

*WEIGHT:
4cyl - turbo, nos, or s/c 2800
v6 - nos 2950
sb n/a - 2750
sb nos - 3150 (see nos for allowed combos)
sb & 6cyl boosted 3250 ( see forced induction for allowed combos)
bb n/a 3000
bb nos 3300 (no foggers)

deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or s/c listed in forced induction.
deduct 50lbs non intercooled
deduct 50lbs on sb with cast iron heads.
deduct 100lbs for stock block
add 100lbs for a/w intercooler
add 50lbs for twisted wedge R heads
add 50lbs for stand alone efi (fast & bs3)
add100lbs for raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads .

[mfoss]

So let's run the first set of rules and see how out of line it is. I for one was told I'm maxed at a 200 shot so I was starting my car off na

Im all in for the first set of rules. But I dont think we have enough cars.
first rules
metcalf racing
no shot
walter
orange coupe
atbracing
outlaw85
mfoss
Im sure im missing somebody


second rules
jeff88coupe
shawn
jason408
93coupe
yellowstang
metcalf racing
no shot
atbracing
walter
outlaw85
orangecoupe
mfoss

[Metcalf Racing]

What do you mean by conventional head. Just no hemi style?

[Metcalf Racing]

Im all in for the first set of rules. But I dont think we have enough cars.
first rules
metcalf racing
no shot
walter
orange coupe
atbracing
outlaw85
mfoss
Im sure im missing somebody


second rules
jeff88coupe
shawn
jason408
93coupe
yellowstang
metcalf racing
no shot
atbracing
walter
outlaw85
orangecoupe
mfossI don't care about the second set of rules except for the limits of the bb are to extreme and they knock out me,outlaw85,and orangecoupe

[mfoss]

I don't care about the second set of rules except for the limits of the bb are to extreme and they knock out me,outlaw85,and orangecoupe

I took that rule out. Look at the revised rules. I changed a few things.

[mfoss]

What do you mean by conventional head. Just no hemi style?

Stock valve angle.

[Metcalf Racing]

So would that eliminate the tfs a460? And the boss9? So a bb must have a plate but a Windsor can have a fogger?

[mfoss]

So would that eliminate the tfs a460? And the boss9? So a bb must have a plate but a Windsor can have a fogger?

I will check on the heads. No foggers at all. I thought I removed that.

[mfoss]

No foggers.

[Metcalf Racing]

You did. I just was checking. I have stock valve angle but a lot of guys run those a460s

[Jeff88coupe]

I personally like the 2nd set of rules since it allows aftermarket blocks..which would let me and 93coupe (maybe more..but I don't know everyone's combo) run our 8.2" deck combos. I don't think aftermarket blocks will really affect anything with the poweradder limits being in place.
I'm hoping to just be able to run close to the top guys by the end of the year.

[outlaw85]

Why don't we just post up a set of rules and anyone who goes a .79 gets a 100#s that's the only way to keep the class where we all want it to be. If we could go faster than that we should be racing somewhere else anyways!

[Timido]

That's one way to make things closer and keep people interested who can run 590 but are worried what will happen if it gets out of hand

[JASON408]

those rules with the jet limits have been run for a while on a 275 radial and most of the field was 6.10 to 5.70s with a few cars in the 5.60s now the only real diffence is opening up the big block rule to allow alum heads for big blocks and over a 525 ci witch will speed thing up alittle but could be keep in check with weight or jet . now the the stock block rule set up with no limits will be alot faster prob 5.60 to 5.50 . hell there is already a guy in 8.5 runing a 351 stock block and no controler running a 5.57 and with no rule to keep them in check and slow them down it will be short lived

[JASON408]

i think if you run the jet limited rules on one car runs a way with it you can always put weight on him or take jet away from just one car .

[Timido]

I guess that only helps of its a nitrous car that is faster

[Metcalf Racing]

Just put some rules up and see how the chips fall. These guys are trying to put a cap on the et but that really takes away from it. This is going to take place at tri state guys how many 8.5 cars you see there making perfect passes?

[atbracn]

a little more twicking in the rules but in all they look good!!!! i'll be there.

[JIMS SVT]

a little more twicking in the rules but in all they look good!!!! i'll be there.

Yea..let a 88mm in.lol

[Metcalf Racing]

I'm not worried about your 88, let it in. Lol

[JIMS SVT]

No reason to be.I was just thinkin about tryin it a time or to.But Im not buyin another turbo to do that.

[Walter]

No reason to be.I was just thinkin about tryin it a time or to.But Im not buyin another turbo to do that.

You can borrow mine if im not racing.

[Metcalf Racing]

Yeah Walt will trade.

[atbracn]

What kind of combo's will be running? Not sure on mine yet but i'm thinking 8.2 deck,ysi blow through,jerico dr4.

[Metcalf Racing]

I'm kicking around a glide.

[Walter]

8.2, t76, c4.

[evil8]

8.2, t76, c4.





If Walter lets me drive.

[Walter]

I'm kicking around a glide.

Dont hurt your foot :lol:

[Metcalf Racing]

Dont hurt your foot :lol:it about being fast,and being fast everytime

[5.0calypso93lx]

it about being fast,and being fast everytime

Glad to see you're learning after those shootout finals last year :eek: :lol:

LOL I had to...

[Jeff88coupe]

8.2, 76mm turbo, PG

[Whyucryn]

Glad to see you're learning after those shootout finals last year :eek: :lol:

LOL I had to...

Where did you end up finishing?

[black90lx]

Glad to see you're learning after those shootout finals last year :eek: :lol:

LOL I had to...

and how many passes did the car make that day? its hard to be consistant with a tranny about to melt.

[Maximus]

Where did you end up finishing?

Swing Swing Swing........





Just sayin.:flipoff::lol:

[Walter]

:popcorn:

[5.0calypso93lx]

Where did you end up finishing?

LOL, I knew that was coming, but that's ok, had to give Craig shit.

I only participated in the test and tune. I did end up running 13.12 @ 103 though, what about you?

[Whyucryn]

LOL, I knew that was coming, but that's ok, had to give Craig shit.

I only participated in the test and tune. I did end up running 13.12 @ 103 though, what about you?

Sweet! Sounds like our cars run about the same. Wanna get one done this weekend?

[5.0calypso93lx]

Sweet! Sounds like our cars run about the same. Wanna get one done this weekend?

That car has been sold for a while.

[Metcalf Racing]

It doesn't matter what trans you have when you go red.

[mfoss]

Ok, I talked to Dick@edgewater and he is in for our friday night limited 8.5 race. It will be on the 4th friday of the month. Starting in May. We checked other race schedules and it shouldnt interfere with other races. I will post the final rules tonight.(it will be late) Over the next few weeks I will get the entry fee and payouts posted. We need your support, so come out and race.

[Metcalf Racing]

May sounds great.

[mfoss]

May sounds great.

I was going to do april but I wanted to give everyone time. There are alot of new combos that arent done.

[fasthawk]

Last year i was running a 9.5 deck block 4.100 stroke 4.155 bore custom solid roller cam cnc TFS highports supervictor intake a prosystems 4150 carb with a 2 inch spacer and a turbo 400 trans . IT seemed to work well . This years combo more bore alot less stroke more compression ported intake same heads n cam bigger prosystems carb same trans n converter . Hope to run 9.40s na @ 3100lbs oh n a 390 gear

[Jeff88coupe]

I was going to do april but I wanted to give everyone time. There are alot of new combos that arent done.


Thanks...May still maybe pushing me to have my junk done. But I'll be there if it's running..maybe it's first passes down the track.

[mfoss]

These rules are subject to change during race season,with a vote from all racers from our class.


Must have working headlights, tail lights, Stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory
"type" dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.
single seat ok.
.
fiberglass limited to hood and decklid or hatch only.

*SUSPENSION:
No wheelie bars or 4 link suspension.
must have stock type suspension with factory frame rail or ladder bar with factory frame rail.
Coil overs and anti roll ok.

*TIRES:
26x8.5 slick
No front/all wheel drive vehicles

*POWER ADDERS:
Single type power adder only.
nos:
no multi stages
no controlling nos flow electronically in any way. must use wot or toggle switch.
1 nos bottle in car.
no foggers at all
double cross bar plates allowed on sb
nos sb max .082 jet on plate
nos bb max .068 jet on plate
Nitrous entries maximum jetting
Small block, 6cyl
1 jet - .082
2 jets - .057

*FORCED INDUCTION:
no billett wheels allowed
max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size !!!!) no clipped wheels !!!!!!
max s/c sizes D1,V7,JT,NOVI 2000,KB 3.6
no boosted bb or 9.0 or bigger deck blocks
air to air intercooler OR water meth injection with gas only. ( may not use both together)
air to water allowed with weight penalty . (see weights for description)

*EXHAUST:
must have mufflers on all entries except turbo cars.

*CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION:
23*chevy, 20*ford, 18*mopar, 15*ls, on sb only
raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
mod motors ok, twisted wedge heads ok , (twisted wedge R heads ok with weight penalty, see weight for description)
bb heads are conventional
buick, pontiac,olds combos can run at sb weight (nos or n/a only)
no sheetmetal intakes.
no dry sump oil systems.
no clutchless type transmissions.

*FUEL:
pump gas , race gas , e85 ok

*ELECTRONICS:
any ignition box
no boost controller, no nos controller .
msd 6530 permitted on all combos.
digiset allowed on plate only.
piggy back ok .
stand alone efi fast or bs3 ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)

*WEIGHT:
v6 - nos 2950
sb n/a - 2800
sb nos - 3100 (see nos for allowed combos)
sb & 6cyl boosted 3250 ( see forced induction for allowed combos)
bb n/a 3100
bb nos 3300 (no foggers)

deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or s/c listed in forced induction.
deduct 50lbs non intercooled
deduct 50lbs on sb with cast iron heads.
deduct 100lbs for stock block sb
deduct 50lbs for stock block bb
add 50lbs for a/w intercooler
add 50lbs for twisted wedge R heads
add 50lbs for stand alone efi (fast & bs3)
add 50lbs for raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads .
add 50lbs for progammable ignition boxes (example 7531)
add 50 pounds for non stock valve angle

[Maximus]

Last year i was running a 9.5 deck block 4.100 stroke 4.155 bore custom solid roller cam cnc TFS highports supervictor intake a prosystems 4150 carb with a 2 inch spacer and a turbo 400 trans . IT seemed to work well . This years combo more bore alot less stroke more compression ported intake same heads n cam bigger prosystems carb same trans n converter . Hope to run 9.40s na @ 3100lbs oh n a 390 gear

You need to get your own screen name and stay off Neds.:lol:

[NO SHOT]

Sounds fun!!:)

[JASON408]

hell ya :bigthumb

[Blowpastyou]

so no 9.5 deck boosted motors?

[mfoss]

so no 9.5 deck boosted motors?

Sorry.No boosted 9.5 motors

[orangecoupe]

sounds good mike, really glad its at e20 as well.

[atbracn]

Good deal mike, guess I need to start putting in my vacation days!! Oh jason thanks for my new screen saver for my phone.lol it is going to fun for sure.

[Blowpastyou]

Sorry.No boosted 9.5 motors

Car count just dropped by 1. lol I will attend for support though.

[bbfstanger]

looks like my car fits in the rules so ill make it out to give it a try.
what 1/4 mile e/t does 5.80's translate to?

[Kwik92GT]

looks like my car fits in the rules so ill make it out to give it a try.
what 1/4 mile e/t does 5.80's translate to?

Check out left lane. Times will vary though.


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j23/Kwik92GT/LX%20and%20GT/890sslip800x600.jpg

[atbracn]

was that a turbo or supercharged car? i would say 9.20's -9.50's.

[Jeff88coupe]

Sweet...I'll be there. Now I need to buy a turbo and some lead.

[Timido]

I will be there to help out Jeff for sure. If my car is still around I am sure I could figure out how to get it down track

[mfoss]

I will be there to help out Jeff for sure. If my car is still around I am sure I could figure out how to get it down track

I cant believe the car hasnt sold yet. Thats a great deal. In a way im glad now you can race with us.

[Kwik92GT]

was that a turbo or supercharged car? i would say 9.20's -9.50's.

Turbo. Back-halfs like a mofo. :D

[bbfstanger]

yeah that thing was pullin the big end forsure with a soft for the time 60ft.
thanks that gives a rough idea of what i need to run.
gonna have to spray a little to make it i believe.

[mfoss]

These are the final rules. We are racing the 4th friday of the month and starting in may.
These rules are subject to change during race season,with a vote from all racers from our class.

Must have working headlights, tail lights, Stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory
"type" dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.
single seat ok.
fiberglass limited to hood and decklid or hatch only. No forward facing scoop
*SUSPENSION:
No wheelie bars or 4 link suspension.
must have stock type suspension with factory frame rail or ladder bar with factory frame rail.
Coil overs and anti roll ok.
*TIRES:
26x8.5 slick. Tires may not be altered
No front/all wheel drive vehicles
*POWER ADDERS:
Single type power adder only.
nos: 1 fuel / 1 nitrous soleniod
no multi stages
no controlling nos flow electronically in any way. must use wot or toggle switch.
1 nos bottle in car.
no foggers at all
double cross bar plates allowed on sb
nos sb max .082 jet on plate
nos bb max .068 jet on plate
Nitrous entries maximum jetting
Small block, 6cyl
1 jet - .082
2 jets - .057
*FORCED INDUCTION:
no billett wheels allowed
max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size !!!!) no clipped wheels !!!!!!
max s/c sizes D1,V7,JT,NOVI 2000,KB 3.6
no boosted bb or 9.0 or bigger deck blocks
air to air intercooler OR water meth injection with gas only. ( may not use both together)
air to water allowed with weight penalty . (see weights for description)
*EXHAUST:
must have mufflers on all entries except turbo cars.
*CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION:
23*chevy, 20*ford, 18*mopar, 15*ls, on sb only
raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
mod motors ok, twisted wedge heads ok , (twisted wedge R heads ok with weight penalty, see weight for description)
bb heads are conventional
buick, pontiac,olds combos can run at sb weight (nos or n/a only)
no sheetmetal intakes.
no dry sump oil systems.
no clutchless type transmissions.
*FUEL:
pump gas , race gas , e85 ok
*ELECTRONICS:
any ignition box
no boost controller, no nos controller .
msd 6530 permitted on all combos.
digiset allowed on plate only.
piggy back ok .
stand alone efi fast or bs3 ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
*WEIGHT:
v6 - nos 2950
sb n/a - 2800
sb nos - 3100 (see nos for allowed combos)
sb & 6cyl boosted 3250 ( see forced induction for allowed combos)
bb n/a 3100
bb nos 3300
deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or s/c listed in forced induction.
deduct 50lbs non intercooled
deduct 50lbs on sb with cast iron heads.
deduct 100lbs for stock block sb
deduct 50lbs for stock block bb
add 50lbs for a/w intercooler
add 50lbs for twisted wedge R heads
add 50lbs for stand alone efi (fast & bs3)
add 50lbs for raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads .
add 50lbs for progammable ignition boxes
add 50 pounds for non stock valve angle
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[atbracn]

Sounds good mike. Let see a show of hands on who will be there.

[2Kblacksleeper]

I can help out, and or be a spectator.
Any thing that involves the smell of race gas is good.

John

[Metcalf Racing]

I'm in for sure. I just hope I'm ready by the first race.

[JASON408]

i will be there!!!

[Walter]

I'm in for sure. I just hope I'm ready by the first race.

Me too.

[Jeff88coupe]

Me too.

Me Three!!

Think I found a legal turbo cheap yesterday.

[plated]

don't count me out yet....,i'm going to go look at an 8.80's car this weekend:cool2:

[Walter]

You wont do it.

[bbfstanger]

im gonna give it a try

[93 coupe]

I'm in also :bigthumb

[atbracn]

I'm in also :bigthumb

can't wait to see that cobra. you always have some nice shit.:bigthumb you going to use that 4 speed and be a stick shift guy with me?

[fasthawk]

I'm in also :bigthumb

You wont have that car that long

[93 coupe]

Probably right..


I think its sold. :D

[Blowpastyou]

Say it aint so!

[mfoss]

We are running the 4th friday starting in may@ edgewater

Must have working headlights, tail lights, Stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory
"type" dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.
single seat ok.
fiberglass limited to hood and decklid or hatch only. No forward facing scoop
*SUSPENSION:
No wheelie bars or 4 link suspension.
must have stock type suspension with factory frame rail or ladder bar with factory frame rail.
Coil overs and anti roll ok.
*TIRES:
26x8.5 slick. Tires may not be altered
No front/all wheel drive vehicles
*POWER ADDERS:
Single type power adder only.
nos: 1 fuel / 1 nitrous soleniod
no multi stages
no controlling nos flow electronically in any way. must use wot or toggle switch.
1 nos bottle in car.
no foggers at all
double cross bar plates allowed on sb
nos sb max .082 jet on plate
nos bb max .068 jet on plate
Nitrous entries maximum jetting
Small block, 6cyl
1 jet - .082
2 jets - .057
*FORCED INDUCTION:
no billet wheels allowed
max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size !!!!) no clipped wheels !!!!!!
max s/c sizes D1,V7,JT,NOVI 2000,KB 3.6
no boosted bb
air to air intercooler OR water meth injection with gas only. ( may not use both together)
air to water allowed with weight penalty . (see weights for description)
*EXHAUST:
must have mufflers on all entries except turbo cars.
*CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION:
23*chevy, 20*ford, 18*mopar, 15*ls, on sb only
raised port heads or cathedral port ls heads ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
mod motors ok, twisted wedge heads ok , (twisted wedge R heads ok with weight penalty, see weight for description)
bb heads are conventional
buick, pontiac,olds combos can run at sb weight (nos or n/a only)
no sheetmetal intakes.
no dry sump oil systems.
no clutchless type transmissions.
*FUEL:
pump gas , race gas , e85 ok
*ELECTRONICS:
any ignition box
no boost controller, no nos controller .
msd 6530 permitted on all combos.
digiset allowed on plate only.
piggy back ok .
stand alone efi fast or bs3 ok with weight penalty. (see weight for description)
*WEIGHT:
v6 - nos 2950
sb n/a - 2800
sb nos - 3100 (see nos for allowed combos)
sb & 6cyl boosted 3250 ( see forced induction for allowed combos)
bb n/a 3100
bb nos 3300
deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or s/c listed in forced induction.
deduct 50lbs non intercooled
deduct 50lbs on sb with cast iron heads.
deduct 100lbs for stock block sb
deduct 50lbs for stock block bb
deduct 50lbs for 8.2 deck nitrous cars
add 50lbs for a/w intercooler
add 50lbs for twisted wedge R heads
add 50lbs for stand alone efi (fast & bs3)
add 50lbs for raised port heads
add 50lbs for programmable ignition boxes
add 50 pounds for non stock valve angle

[Blowpastyou]

The new rules let me in and I just SOLD a brand new set of 8.5" tires