Police officers chime in please.......

[Pitbull1052]

So I read the local news several times a day and ran across this one and it kinda pisses me off....... I just want to know what would happen if I did something that resulted in the death of a police K9 dog..... bet nothing happens to his partner who left Juno in a hot cruiser... now granted he was tending to a family emergency but daum we're talking about a 10,000 dollar dog for one and his partner for another.....


http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100813/NEWS01/308130028/1055/NEWS/Police-dog-dies-in-hot-car

[chadomac]

he's no different then the woman that leaves the kids in the car.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

"they are considered part of the police family and an extension of your family"

Exactly and if you were to kill one you get treated as though you've killed a police officer, but this guy is gonna get off free because it's a dog and not a person.

[facemelter71]

I doubt it if any police officers are going to post in here about this matter.

[89notch]

The guy made a mistake. I'm sure he is paying the price with living with himself. These police dogs are like children to these officers. I don't think anything should happen to this guy. It would be no different than if he ran in front of your car and you killed him. It was an accident and it could happen to anyone.

[facemelter71]

I seriously doubt if you roll over a police dog nothing would happen. You would have the book thrown at you.
Malicious intent,Running a red light drinking alcohol and doing 90 MPH in a school zone while trafficing 30 pounds of Coke to the local butterheads.

Oh,and if there like children,Id be worried if I was this dude's youngster.

[89notch]

Granted if you hit a dog you had better not been speeding or drinking or something crazy. As long as it was malicious in nature what can they really do if it was truly an accident?

[facemelter71]

Truly an accident yea,like if they let the dog go and it hauls down 75 going northbound on the southbound side at 4 o-clock in the afternoon. Or if the dog is after a criminal and your at the wrong place and wrong time chowin on some white castle and you just happen to plow into it. Then yea,I dont think they would have much.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

The guy made a mistake. I'm sure he is paying the price with living with himself. These police dogs are like children to these officers. I don't think anything should happen to this guy. It would be no different than if he ran in front of your car and you killed him. It was an accident and it could happen to anyone.

If the dog is like a child to the officer then this is like leaving a baby in the car to die.


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[denial]

You guys wouldn't have said anything if it had been john doe that left his dog in the car. Granted I feel bad for the dog and the officer. In an emergence situation, do you save the life of a human being or do you save the dog? Hmm..I wonder what I would do...

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

No i'm saying it because a huge deal would be made if someone were to have killed a police dog. If a bad guy is in a gun fight...granted he's in deep shit regardless...but if he shoots the dog he gets charged with killing a police officer. If the dog's life carries a heavy penalty then, it shouldn't be any different now.

I am an animal lover though and i think that the fact the dog is his partner and such a "member of the family" makes it even more of a shame that he forget about the dog and left her in the car. I'm not saying the guy should be charged with murder...but i do think it's BS that it's gonna get swept under the rug like it never happened.

Also was it actually a human life that was on the line here? All they said was "family emergency" and IMO that could well be a cover up to protect the officer from the media.

[denial]

That's the thing..It's Your Opinion. Don't assume you or anyone knows the facts of what the emergency was. If we lived our lived based on opinions, we would all be in a world of shit.

I don't think for one minute he forgot about the dog though. If it was something minor than he wouldn't have been on the call for so long. Something major had to have happened for it to be an emergency and lasted long enough for the dog to overheat.

[JROUTLAW331]

I doubt it if any police officers are going to post in here about this matter.

I will....I know the handler personally and work with him on a daily basis and he is one of the best officers that I have ever had the privilage to work with. He is a devoted family man that loves his children more than anything on earth(as any parent should).
He is also one of the best handlers that our dept has and yes like the statement says these dogs are part of these guys familys. They live with them at home and play with there kids and go to work with them everyday and alot of times are called upon to protect there lives and mine too....Alot of times these handlers spend more time with these dogs than they do with there kids.
What happened to his k-9 partner was a tragedy and a horrible accident. It is a testament to what officers have to deal with everyday. Sometimes we have to make split second decisions to handle terrible situations to protect/save lives.And when you add on top of that that it was his own child that was having the emergency I cant see how anybody would think that he had any malicious or negligent intent.
He was involved in an emergency that resulted in the loss of life and it very unfortunate.But believe me no matter what happens... Specialist Trotta and his family will mourn the loss of there family member for the rest of his life and the police dept will miss our family member as well.
Bottom line guys if your house was on fire and your child and dog was inside and you had to react and run in to grab one which do you think you would grab?....... And im sure that you would spend the rest of your life missing your dog and tearing yourself apart about what you had to do....Well so will he.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Well...in that case i take back what i said...sometimes i'm quick to judge i guess. I'm just an animal lover and i see things like this as easily swept under the rug, but if it came down to a human life over the dog i wouldn't expect anything less.

[mustang8998]

I will....I know the handler personally and work with him on a daily basis and he is one of the best officers that I have ever had the privilage to work with. He is a devoted family man that loves his children more than anything on earth(as any parent should).
He is also one of the best handlers that our dept has and yes like the statement says these dogs are part of these guys familys. They live with them at home and play with there kids and go to work with them everyday and alot of times are called upon to protect there lives and mine too....Alot of times these handlers spend more time with these dogs than they do with there kids.
What happened to his k-9 partner was a tragedy and a horrible accident. It is a testament to what officers have to deal with everyday. Sometimes we have to make split second decisions to handle terrible situations to protect/save lives.And when you add on top of that that it was his own child that was having the emergency I cant see how anybody would think that he had any malicious or negligent intent.
He was involved in an emergency that resulted in the loss of life and it very unfortunate.But believe me no matter what happens... Specialist Trotta and his family will mourn the loss of there family member for the rest of his life and the police dept will miss our family member as well.
Bottom line guys if your house was on fire and your child and dog was inside and you had to react and run in to grab one which do you think you would grab?....... And im sure that you would spend the rest of your life missing your dog and tearing yourself apart about what you had to do....Well so will he.

I don't want to get in a pissing match here, but the last paragraph begs a question. What did the officer have to do, to save the life of his child, that he forsake the dog?

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

I don't want to get in a pissing match here, but the last paragraph begs a question. What did the officer have to do, to save the life of his child, that he forsake the dog?

This was sort of my point but i realize i don't have enough info to make any accusations so i stepped out of this one. I just feel like, if the dog is truly that much of the family and the police force, there better have well been another human life on the line to warrant the loss of the dog. Otherwise it's negligence. I guess we have to wait for the rest of the story.

[beefcake]

This was sort of my point but i realize i don't have enough info to make any accusations so i stepped out of this one. I just feel like, if the dog is truly that much of the family and the police force, there better have well been another human life on the line to warrant the loss of the dog. Otherwise it's negligence. I guess we have to wait for the rest of the story.

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[JROUTLAW331]

I don't want to get in a pissing match here, but the last paragraph begs a question. What did the officer have to do, to save the life of his child, that he forsake the dog?
I dont know the exact facts of what the emergency was with his child but I do know that if it caused him to leave his patrol car with that state of urgency than i will assume that it was serious.....K-9 officers leave there dogs in the car all the time when they are on runs prior to deployment or doing administrative work and they leave the car running with a/c on but I can only assume that when he heard about the emergency that he jumped out of car and turned car off because he was thinking about his child....maybe he needed his keys to get into house I dont know.
I understand why everybody is upset...Im an animal lover too and im sitting here petting my puggy as im typing this....Its very sad thing to hear what happened but I do know that Specialist Trotta is a great handler and officer and Im sorry for his loss and I hope his child is o.k.
P.s If you havent heard Specialist Trotta was shot in the line of duty a few years ago and was able to recover and continue serving the city and became a k-9 handler...Im not going to pass judgement on him till I hear what happened....I think he has earned that.

[stocknotch]

/\ /\ I agree. Sounds like he's having a rough week. We've all been there and shouldn't be so quick to judge him. For the people with kids and a pet...which would you attend to first in an emergency??....Exactly!

[cobraman302]

The guy made a mistake. I'm sure he is paying the price with living with himself. These police dogs are like children to these officers. I don't think anything should happen to this guy. It would be no different than if he ran in front of your car and you killed him. It was an accident and it could happen to anyone.

Say what?? The dog is like a child? Yet it's not apparently.....

So let me get this straight. he locks his kids in the car and they die, ur saying its just accident, he has to deal with that for the rest of his life and he gets off scott free? not even a suspension without pay? I say keep him on the force and remove him for the K-9 unit because he is obviously careless with the animal. I will be damned if I would ever even think about leaving my dog in my car without the car running and a/c on for ANY period of time.

It was more than an accident, it was a careless accident, he shouldn't be on the K-9 force period. It's harsh maybe, but he took a life of a extremely smart and hard working animal that deserves to be alive.

[PaulFiveOh]

The officer needs disciplined. He ruined a valuable asset and killed a dog because he was negligent. Doesn't need to lose his job but certainly deserves demoted to the bottom. Actually I think a forced resignation could be appropriate because then he would have to start his career from the bottom up again which I think is fair after such a needless and tortuousness death of a dog.

[cobra429boss]

Things happen for a reason I think.. He made a mistake. Like guy said im sure he is going thru a lot just by dealing with his self for what happen.. Poor guy i feel for him.. Said he lost a best friend..

[04 Venom]

My son is a K-9 officer in Baltimore County, Maryland. Without knowing all the details, he said that he would be in shitstorm if his dog died in the car. OTOH, he also said that if a dog has been working in the field for more than 15-20 minutes during high heat and humidity, some dogs will stress out and go into convulsions. The officer is trained to watch for signs of heat exhaustion, but it does rarely happen.

[beefcake]

I am reserving judgement a little bit. But i would definately like to know what the emergency was.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

I was just trying to say that "family emergency" sounds extremely vague and more like a cover up to me. If the guy's child was drowning in a pool, the news would've said so. If his wife was in a car crash, the news would've said so. The news is all about pointing out tragedy and the fact that they must not know what really happened tells me that even the news agency was spoon fed "family emergency" from the police agency. "Family emergency" just sounds like a cover up to me but we'll see.

[cobraman302]

I was just trying to say that "family emergency" sounds extremely vague and more like a cover up to me. If the guy's child was drowning in a pool, the news would've said so. If his wife was in a car crash, the news would've said so. The news is all about pointing out tragedy and the fact that they must not know what really happened tells me that even the news agency was spoon fed "family emergency" from the police agency. "Family emergency" just sounds like a cover up to me but we'll see.

I'm with you on this David. I hate to make assumptions, but if I were a betting man, and I am, I would put money on the fact that the police department will do everything they can to cover up and/or downplay the situation at hand. It's what they do. It's sad, but we will never really know the truth. I personally think he should be charged with one account of animal cruelty.

http://www.mydogiscool.com/x_reports.php

There is a quick link I found that shows some people around the US that have been charged with similar situations. Notice, some were arrested and charged without the dog even dying! IMO there is no excuse, none.

[mustang8998]

I dont know the exact facts of what the emergency was with his child but I do know that if it caused him to leave his patrol car with that state of urgency than i will assume that it was serious.....K-9 officers leave there dogs in the car all the time when they are on runs prior to deployment or doing administrative work and they leave the car running with a/c on but I can only assume that when he heard about the emergency that he jumped out of car and turned car off because he was thinking about his child....maybe he needed his keys to get into house I dont know.
I understand why everybody is upset...Im an animal lover too and im sitting here petting my puggy as im typing this....Its very sad thing to hear what happened but I do know that Specialist Trotta is a great handler and officer and Im sorry for his loss and I hope his child is o.k.
P.s If you havent heard Specialist Trotta was shot in the line of duty a few years ago and was able to recover and continue serving the city and became a k-9 handler...Im not going to pass judgement on him till I hear what happened....I think he has earned that.

This was kind of my point. You don't know what happened, but were jumping to his defense. Commendable of you, to defend a fellow officer. I think everyone should take a wait and see attitude, in this case.

That is why I asked about details. I'm not taking sides (yet).

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

I can't say i'm taking sides either, but as it stands now i can't deny the fact that there's nothing in this guy's defense and what has been told is extremely suspicious to me. I also believe police are a brotherhood and as someone else stated they'll do anything to protect their own.

I'm not saying this guy should burn or anything, i'm sure it wasn't on purpose and i'm sure he's tore up about it. Someone said he shouldn't be allowed to be on the K9 unit anymore...i think that should be part of how this is handled. I think the guy made an honest mistake but i still want to hear what the excuse was...even though i feel like, as someone else said, we probably won't ever know the real truth.

[bestracing]

I dont know the exact facts of what the emergency was with his child but I do know that if it caused him to leave his patrol car with that state of urgency than i will assume that it was serious.....K-9 officers leave there dogs in the car all the time when they are on runs prior to deployment or doing administrative work and they leave the car running with a/c on but I can only assume that when he heard about the emergency that he jumped out of car and turned car off because he was thinking about his child....maybe he needed his keys to get into house I dont know.
I understand why everybody is upset...Im an animal lover too and im sitting here petting my puggy as im typing this....Its very sad thing to hear what happened but I do know that Specialist Trotta is a great handler and officer and Im sorry for his loss and I hope his child is o.k.
P.s If you havent heard Specialist Trotta was shot in the line of duty a few years ago and was able to recover and continue serving the city and became a k-9 handler...Im not going to pass judgement on him till I hear what happened....I think he has earned that.

Plus there wasn't the uaual safety equipment in that K-9 vehicle that is usually installed into a K-9 vehicle. They usually have temp sensors in thse car and if it gets too hot inside the car an alarm goes off and in some cases the windows will roll down.

[Pitbull1052]

You guys wouldn't have said anything if it had been john doe that left his dog in the car. Granted I feel bad for the dog and the officer. In an emergence situation, do you save the life of a human being or do you save the dog? Hmm..I wonder what I would do...




Yea you're right cause my tax dollars didnt pay for for John Doe's dog! he said it was a family emergency meaning the family was already at a location and he was just going there, either way at any given time we "in my house" are responsible for 5 4 kids and a dog and I'll bet your life that none of them would ever be left in a car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pitbull1052]

The officer needs disciplined. He ruined a valuable asset and killed a dog because he was negligent. Doesn't need to lose his job but certainly deserves demoted to the bottom. Actually I think a forced resignation could be appropriate because then he would have to start his career from the bottom up again which I think is fair after such a needless and tortuousness death of a dog.





what would happen to you if you destroyed a 10,000 dollar peice of equipment at work? I know what would happen to me!

[Pitbull1052]

After just reading everyone's posts and digesting it a bit here's my take, so basically we're saying that highly trained officers who are trained, retrained, field trained to react and think under the most highly stressful situations, arent thoughtful enough to remember their PARTNER! not just a dog their partner the one thing that can save their life day in and day out, but this POS yep that's right this POS can't even remember the dog who relys on him day in and day out to feed him, to water him, help him do his job. I don't care how ate up his with greif he caused it, family emergency or not when you took the oath to protect and serve that also meant to your fellow officer!!!!!!!!!!! Again I know what would happen to me Mr. Joe Civilian my ass would be locked up and they'd be looking to throw away the key. At the very least he should loose his job!

[87stangbbb]

^^^agreed. i know what would happen if i killed the dog

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

^^^agreed. i know what would happen if i killed the dog

You would be going to prison for killing a police officer, or at least as close to a murder charge as they could pin on you. If you were having a family emergency, it wouldn't matter one bit. If your balls were on fire, they'd tell you that you were driving too fast or reckless or something.

This is why i feel like the family emergency part is BS because it just sounds made up to cover the truth.

The fact that this is a dog and not a human is going to soften the punishment, which i think is BS because the consequence of YOU hurting or killing this dog would be treated as close to as if you killed a human. If the dog is treated like a human, killing the dog should be punished as closely as possible for EVERYONE and i bet anything he doesn't get any charge even close to that.

Any other time a K9 is treated like a human and a police officer, until something like this happens and then it's "oh well a HUMAN life was on the line so the dog had to be put second and die".

If he had left a human partner somewhere and that partner was killed as a direct result of being left there, what would happen to him?

I'm trying to show that there's a double standard just because this is a dog we're talking about. Oh, but it's a police officer when the dog is catching bad guys or if a bad guy kills the dog...but if the good guy kills the dog then it's just a dog....albeit a $10k highly intelligent highly trained police partner dog.

To me this family emergency just seems extremely extremely convenient. If there truly was a family member with a genuine emergency, if this guy was saving a family members life, then i cut him some slack and feel sorry for the loss of his partner, although i still feel he neglected the dog. But, otherwise, if this guy was getting donuts or having lunch or getting his afternoon delight, then he deserves what he gets...even though i don't think he'll get all of it.

[Pitbull1052]

You would be going to prison for killing a police officer, or at least as close to a murder charge as they could pin on you. If you were having a family emergency, it wouldn't matter one bit. If your balls were on fire, they'd tell you that you were driving too fast or reckless or something.

This is why i feel like the family emergency part is BS because it just sounds made up to cover the truth.

The fact that this is a dog and not a human is going to soften the punishment, which i think is BS because the consequence of YOU hurting or killing this dog would be treated as close to as if you killed a human. If the dog is treated like a human, killing the dog should be punished as closely as possible for EVERYONE and i bet anything he doesn't get any charge even close to that.

Any other time a K9 is treated like a human and a police officer, until something like this happens and then it's "oh well a HUMAN life was on the line so the dog had to be put second and die".

If he had left a human partner somewhere and that partner was killed as a direct result of being left there, what would happen to him?

I'm trying to show that there's a double standard just because this is a dog we're talking about. Oh, but it's a police officer when the dog is catching bad guys or if a bad guy kills the dog...but if the good guy kills the dog then it's just a dog....albeit a $10k highly intelligent highly trained police partner dog.

To me this family emergency just seems extremely extremely convenient. If there truly was a family member with a genuine emergency, if this guy was saving a family members life, then i cut him some slack and feel sorry for the loss of his partner, although i still feel he neglected the dog. But, otherwise, if this guy was getting donuts or having lunch or getting his afternoon delight, then he deserves what he gets...even though i don't think he'll get all of it.


:bigthumb

[Pitbull1052]

I think there's a certain movie where a guy feeds a diabetic police horse and he dies....... that's what would happen we'd be FRESH FISH!!!!!!!!!!!

[JROUTLAW331]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....You guys are hilarious!!!

[PaulFiveOh]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....You guys are hilarious!!!

If you are only laughing at the Half Baked reference, forgive me and don't read the next paragraph.

If you are laughing at the common man expressing their distaste for double standards in the local LEO community, than fuck off and quit denying blatantly obvious things such as the ridiculous cooking of a dog because a cop was arguing with his wife.

Cheers. :chug: (<--- That shit looks likes Guinness!)

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

(.....crickets chirping.....)




oh snap

[JROUTLAW331]

yep...sounds like you got it all figured out there chief.

[inferno50]

damn guys give the police a break. sometimes in bad situations shit happens. with the stress they deal with i think they are allowed to fuck up every now and then. they are still human. but hell all of you bitching must be perfect human beings. you wont be bitching at them when they have to come save your life. show some damn respect. if it came down to my kid or my dog its not a hard decision.

[PaulFiveOh]

yep...sounds like you got it all figured out there chief.

It was a direct response to your statement. Ultimately that was a question...as in...you wanna laugh at everyone else...what solid data do you want to throw out there?

[JROUTLAW331]

damn guys give the police a break. sometimes in bad situations shit happens. with the stress they deal with i think they are allowed to fuck up every now and then. they are still human. but hell all of you bitching must be perfect human beings. you wont be bitching at them when they have to come save your life. show some damn respect. if it came down to my kid or my dog its not a hard decision.

Thank you!!:bigthumb.

[beefcake]

damn guys give the police a break. sometimes in bad situations shit happens. with the stress they deal with i think they are allowed to fuck up every now and then. they are still human. but hell all of you bitching must be perfect human beings. you wont be bitching at them when they have to come save your life. show some damn respect. if it came down to my kid or my dog its not a hard decision.

i think the point the op is saying with everyone defending the cop that these dogs are like kids. That is the main point, if they are like kids, then that makes it that much worse.

I am still waiting to here what the emergency was myself before I make judgement. I cannot believe that it has not been discussed yet.

Someone here said they knew the officer, so I wish they would chime in on the emergency.

[Pitbull1052]

i think the point the op is saying with everyone defending the cop that these dogs are like kids. That is the main point, if they are like kids, then that makes it that much worse.

I am still waiting to here what the emergency was myself before I make judgement. I cannot believe that it has not been discussed yet.

Someone here said they knew the officer, so I wish they would chime in on the emergency.




Thanks Beef,


That's the point exactly, you boys (cops) think just because you have a badge there's a double standard and I'm sick of it.... I see it all day everyday. As soon as you all get that badge on you all think you're billy bad ass and can do what you want, I'd for once like to see some justice served, the man Killed a cop period that dog is swarn in just like any other officer wears a badge had a $5,000 bullet proof vest even has a car expecially made for him. Emergency or no Emergency it's a police K9 it's not like the dog couldnt have gone into any place the officer did.......... Typical BS is what it is........

[beefcake]

Thanks Beef,


That's the point exactly, you boys (cops) think just because you have a badge there's a double standard and I'm sick of it.... I see it all day everyday. As soon as you all get that badge on you all think you're billy bad ass and can do what you want, I'd for once like to see some justice served, the man Killed a cop period that dog is swarn in just like any other officer wears a badge had a $5,000 bullet proof vest even has a car expecially made for him. Emergency or no Emergency it's a police K9 it's not like the dog couldnt have gone into any place the officer did.......... Typical BS is what it is........

I wasn't going that far, I have a lot of friends that are cops and I don't think any of them think they are billy bad ass, but like any profession, i'm sure there are plent of them there.

But, I also don't think any of my cop friends would have let this happen either.

[Pitbull1052]

I wasn't going that far, I have a lot of friends that are cops and I don't think any of them think they are billy bad ass, but like any profession, i'm sure there are plent of them there.

But, I also don't think any of my cop friends would have let this happen either.





sorry being a pet owner and a criminal justice major who chose not to be an officer after seeing all of the bs that goes on...... just a sore spot with me.

[04 Venom]

That's the point exactly, you boys (cops) think just because you have a badge there's a double standard and I'm sick of it.... I see it all day everyday. As soon as you all get that badge on you all think you're billy bad ass and can do what you want, I'd for once like to see some justice served, the man Killed a cop period that dog is swarn in just like any other officer wears a badge had a $5,000 bullet proof vest even has a car expecially made for him. Emergency or no Emergency it's a police K9 it's not like the dog couldnt have gone into any place the officer did.......... Typical BS is what it is........

Disagree. Most cops are dedicated public servants.

[Pitbull1052]

Disagree. Most cops are dedicated public servants.




this one was a little too dedicated huh........ lol

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/felicity-oh/TOB20AKCBHBBII7T7



or maybe the one who ran over the homeless lady..... either way a badge doesnt make the person unaccountable for their actions is the point.

[thecollector]

The news story in the begining of this thread stated his daughter is being treated for cancer. Im fond of my dog, but if my kid had cancer my beagle wouldn't be the first thing on my mind. What's a police dog cost? $10,000?

I say take the average field service life of the animal divide it by the cost and establish a yearly value. Back charge/dock the officer a prorated amount for it based on years served/ service life left. Demote him from the K-9 unit.

He has recieved awards from the Ohio attorney General for his work performance as well as the county for getting shot in the line of Duty. He doesn't seem like a screw up. Everyone makes mistakes, his mistake cost the city a dog. The car can be reused, the special bullet proof vest can be reused. Ending his career would mean his position would be opened and another rookie would be entering the streets from the academy, that would cost the city an additional $100k+ (This is the training cost of a recruit thru the Cincinnati police academy according to Det. Ingrid Weber of the CPD @ the spinney Field recruit complex)

What happened is sad but it was an accident. No one wants to hear about a highly inteligent animal dying especially in the manner. Firing him will only take a good experienced cop off the streets and put an inexperienced unproven rookie on the streets. Most rookies are just gonna run traffic to start, not solve the more problematic issues in the community. Do you guys think what the city really needs is more traffic cops?

The dogs death was an accident. If you accidentally killed the police dog in some manner I doubt criminal charges would be brought against you. It's hard to pitch a scenario but an example I know of was one of my coworkers while driving struck a human officer on foot. The officer was chasing someone and ran across the street, my coworker struck the cop and he rolled over the hood of his car. The cop wasn't hospitalized but he did sustain minor injury. He appoligized for denting the cars hood. No charges were filed.

Now if you were beating your wife and decided to try and kick the crap out of a badge wielding german shepard in your front yard once the cops showed up you better believe the felonies are gonna pile up. You rarely ever recieve an assault charge you didn't earn.

This guy and his family are going thru some very dark times. If the rolls were reversed your daughter had cancer and you had backed your mustang down the driveway to squash your pooch after leaving the fence open would you want to also loose your job after years of spotless docorated service? Your health insurance would also be gone leaving you to foot the bill for Chemo possibly ceasing the care your family member is recieving. Oh yeah on top of that you get to explain to everyone you killed the family dog, and because people on a public forum are so wrapped up with it's death your daughters care may slip in quality meaning your human family member is next......

You are no less flawed of a person expressing outrage to honor the memory of an animal if the lives you destroy are human.

I don't personally know the officer in question and I am not a betting man, but I would be willing to wager that this officer would give anything to have a 2nd opportunity. I think in this case his distuingished background and service record have at least earned him that.

Just my $0.02.

[thecollector]

Wow 30 hours a week at $12 an hour.... And people think walmart is a crappy place to work.:lol:

[Pitbull1052]

Cincinnati hasnt had a new recruit class since 2005 or 2006......... so not many rookies there.......

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

damn guys give the police a break. sometimes in bad situations shit happens. with the stress they deal with i think they are allowed to fuck up every now and then. they are still human. but hell all of you bitching must be perfect human beings. you wont be bitching at them when they have to come save your life. show some damn respect. if it came down to my kid or my dog its not a hard decision.

Right...see now it's "just a dog". If i accidentally run it over while they're in pursuit or if i'm a bad guy and i shoot the dog, then it's a "police officer" and "my partner" and "like a child to me". But now, it's just a dog.

It's double standards. Plus, busting this guy's balls for his negligence isn't ripping on every cop on Earth so there's no lack of respect if you ask me. I'm judging this guy's actions and HIS actions alone, not the whole damn police force. And i use "judging his actions" very loosely because i still haven't seen the "facts" or at least what they're going to tell us the facts are. I'm just telling it how it LOOKS right now, and i'm pointing out the obvious double standard that WILL happen, and anyone who can't see that is blind.

Whether he made the right choice (his kid or whatever over his PARTNER) he still neglected the dog/partner/officer that he left in the car to die. Like i said, if this were a human person, what would he be charged with for letting his partner die? OH but it's "just a dog" now.

If this dog died in pursuit of a bad guy, he's an officer who gave his life performing his duty. If the dog pulls a child from a burning building, he's a hero. If a bad guy shoots the dog, then an officer has been murdered....

Oh but if this dog's partner and care taker and person responsible for his well being leaves him in the fucking car to bake and die, he's just a fucking dog.

[Pitbull1052]

Right...see now it's "just a dog". If i accidentally run it over while they're in pursuit or if i'm a bad guy and i shoot the dog, then it's a "police officer" and "my partner" and "like a child to me". But now, it's just a dog.

It's double standards. Plus, busting this guy's balls for his negligence isn't ripping on every cop on Earth so there's no lack of respect if you ask me. I'm judging this guy's actions and HIS actions alone, not the whole damn police force. And i use "judging his actions" very loosely because i still haven't seen the "facts" or at least what they're going to tell us the facts are. I'm just telling it how it LOOKS right now, and i'm pointing out the obvious double standard that WILL happen, and anyone who can't see that is blind.

Whether he made the right choice (his kid or whatever over his PARTNER) he still neglected the dog/partner/officer that he left in the car to die. Like i said, if this were a human person, what would he be charged with for letting his partner die? OH but it's "just a dog" now.

If this dog died in pursuit of a bad guy, he's an officer who gave his life performing his duty. If the dog pulls a child from a burning building, he's a hero. If a bad guy shoots the dog, then an officer has been murdered....

Oh but if this dog's partner and care taker and person responsible for his well being leaves him in the fucking car to bake and die, he's just a fucking dog.






PREACH ON MY BROTHA!!!!!!!!!!! atleast finally someone gets it daum!!!!!!!

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Hey it's like i said, i'm not asking for the death penalty here, i just feel like this kind of shit gets swept under the carpet when it's an accident, but when someone else hurts or kills a K9 all of a sudden it's 187 all over the place. At the very least he should be charged with animal cruelty and suspended without pay, and taken off the K9 force for good....and i feel that's all justified punishment even without hearing any of his defense. That's going just by neglecting an animal and his partner and nothing else.

[Pitbull1052]

damn guys give the police a break. sometimes in bad situations shit happens. with the stress they deal with i think they are allowed to fuck up every now and then. they are still human. but hell all of you bitching must be perfect human beings. you wont be bitching at them when they have to come save your life. show some damn respect. if it came down to my kid or my dog its not a hard decision.




give them a break???? ha and the stress they deal with they chose on their own profession mind you! RESPECT IS EARNED for one not just given because some ass is wearing a badge, I've called them to help before and they just don't give a shit. and you are prefectly correct sir I'll never bitch at a cop for coming to save my life because I'll never call on them to do so. If I can't save my life they sure as hell can't. I like how just because this guy took a bullet in the line of duty he's a hero.... I know hundreds of guys in Iraq who took bullets and not one of them are called hero's not one of them gets some article saying how they took a bullet for their country......... Either way guy totally neglected his duty as a police officer, a partner and most of all this dogs companion. K I'm done ranting now.......

[Pitbull1052]

Hey it's like i said, i'm not asking for the death penalty here, i just feel like this kind of shit gets swept under the carpet when it's an accident, but when someone else hurts or kills a K9 all of a sudden it's 187 all over the place. At the very least he should be charged with animal cruelty and suspended without pay, and taken off the K9 force for good....and i feel that's all justified punishment even without hearing any of his defense. That's going just by neglecting an animal and his partner and nothing else.




I feel ya that's the whole part that pisses me off and made me post in the first place, double standards..... I think he should be fired just my opinion again I destroy a 10k peice of equipment you can bet your ass i'd be fired... destroy 10k worth of stuff at wally David bet you'll be in the paper on your way to Club Clermont County.........

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Hell if i destroyed 10k at work they'd sue my ass for that 10k, let alone fire me.


Just curious but what happens when a cop wrecks a cruiser? If they find that it's his fault for crashing it, what happens as a result? Is there any kind of punishment?

[Pitbull1052]

Hell if i destroyed 10k at work they'd sue my ass for that 10k, let alone fire me.


Just curious but what happens when a cop wrecks a cruiser? If they find that it's his fault for crashing it, what happens as a result? Is there any kind of punishment?



I have a buddy who's father in law is a cincy cop and it was during the Jazz fest last year they were ordered not to pursure any high speed chases, a police officer was hit and the driver ran, so he chased after him, this is like a 25 year vetran of the force Mr. Striker said he'll never drive a cruiser again!!!

[PaulFiveOh]

Thank you!!:bigthumb.

Way to respond to my direct calling you out...

FTP.

[thecollector]

Cincinnati hasnt had a new recruit class since 2005 or 2006......... so not many rookies there.......

Weird, I wonder why I have a letter dated May 1 ,2008 from HR director Hilary Bohannon giving me my Exam passed notification and score of 91.18????

Just because the city is to broke dick with budget cuts to train new recruits the last few years doesn't mean a rookie won't be entering to take the officers place, instead it's worse. It could be some dork who got picked on in high school who went to D Russel Lee or Scarlet Oaks to obtain authority to assert...... I've seen it happen. Many of us have been pulled over by them.

[thecollector]

give them a break???? ha and the stress they deal with they chose on their own profession mind you! RESPECT IS EARNED for one not just given because some ass is wearing a badge, I've called them to help before and they just don't give a shit. and you are prefectly correct sir I'll never bitch at a cop for coming to save my life because I'll never call on them to do so. If I can't save my life they sure as hell can't. I like how just because this guy took a bullet in the line of duty he's a hero.... I know hundreds of guys in Iraq who took bullets and not one of them are called hero's not one of them gets some article saying how they took a bullet for their country......... Either way guy totally neglected his duty as a police officer, a partner and most of all this dogs companion. K I'm done ranting now.......

I don't know of any person on this board or anywhere else that would not consider a wounded servicemen a hero. (unless the wound was self inflicted). The media doesn't publicize success or heroism in the war enough. All they want to do push is body counts and criticize conduct. Every active duty soldier should be honored, and every wounded vet is a hero.:bigthumb

[thecollector]

I have a buddy who's father in law is a cincy cop and it was during the Jazz fest last year they were ordered not to pursure any high speed chases, a police officer was hit and the driver ran, so he chased after him, this is like a 25 year vetran of the force Mr. Striker said he'll never drive a cruiser again!!!

Cruisers are wrecked consistently. Watch the fleet services auction or drive up central parkway by the garage and you'll see the CARnage just above hopple/MLK. I have witnessed a couple cruiser accidents, one serious involving a civilian vehicle (def. over 10k damage). Both cars were wiped. Cop is still on patrol. Think he was just reprimanded. Your buddy's dad disobeyed a direct order to play cowbow, that's not acceptable.

[PaulFiveOh]

I don't know of any person on this board or anywhere else that would not consider a wounded servicemen a hero. (unless the wound was self inflicted). The media doesn't publicize success or heroism in the war enough. All they want to do push is body counts and criticize conduct. Every active duty soldier should be honored, and every wounded vet is a hero.:bigthumb

If I may, every active service member is a hero. The fact they chose to give 4 years or so their life away to the government is highly commendable.

[thecollector]

If I may, every active service member is a hero. The fact they chose to give 4 years or so their life away to the government is highly commendable.

:agree:

Those that are wounded should recieve extra recognition. This country is numb and desensitized to sacrifice.

Other Posters would argue that those men and women chose those proffessions and must lie in the bed they have made.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

They did choose to put themselves in that position...that's exactly what makes them a hero.

And a cop IMO is a hero in their own respect, wounded or not. Even though the idea of "serve and protect" more often than not is changed to "ticket and fine" i still have the utmost respect for police and what they do.

Like i said, i'm not bashing police officers. I'm only bashing this particular one because he neglected a life that depended on him for EVERYTHING. Maybe the right choice would have been to call for help if one of his own family members was having an emergency. I'm fairly sure there is some kind of code of conduct that says you have to separate yourself from the personal aspect of an emergency if your family or friends are involved. Maybe another officer can clarify that? I know that might sound like it's asking a lot and i know somebody is sure to call me out on that and say "well if it was you and your child what would you do" but maybe that's what separates a K9 officer from a non K9 officer...i think he should've put his "partner" first and called for help/backup. That might just be the sacrifice you take on when you choose to be an K9 officer. To me there just is no justification you can give that makes it ok to neglect this dog and let him die a horrible death in a hot ass squad car. When he took on the responsibility to care for that dog he should've considerd a situation like this and understood that he has a responsibility with the dog. He made a poor choice..i'm not saying lets lynch the guy, i'm just saying he deserves some form of severe punishment up to and maybe losing his badge.

[JROUTLAW331]

Way to respond to my direct calling you out...

FTP.

Calling me out? lol....thats funny
Once again all i hear is a bunch of the same old crap....a bunch of know it all folks(MR fiveoh and puppydog 1052) that have nothing better to do than get on here and talk all your trash and spout your opinions about stuff that you have NO idea what ur talking about but it is funny to listen to though!:lol:.( and if I had a nickle for everyone of you lil criminal justice majors that think you know it all I could retire a rich man...do me a favor chief ,go get a job and run a beat with me for a few years and see what I see and deal with all the political crap that I deal with, then you will have the right to talk and then maybe I will give a shit about what you have to say)..hahahaha
I am a friend of the k-9 officer and I do know exactally what happened. All I will say is that it was a TRUE EMERGENCY(his child has brain cancer) and thats ALL I will say about it because it a private family matter and frankly none of ur fucking business.You guys are making it sound like he had to choose between his child or his dog living and he chose his child or he did some horrible negligent act on purpose that killed his dog....wrong!.. he was in a horribly stressful and emotional situation that involved the life of his child and he made a mistake and his dog passed away......For those of you that dont know juno was a drug dog not a patrol dog which means that he was in one of the new hybid vehicles not a patrol car....The new hybrids dont have the heat sensors and stuff like the patrol k-9 cars have.( I guess with budget problems the city didnt buy them).If they did we probably wouldnt be having this conversation......Bottom line it was a combination of bad circumstances that brought on this tradgedy(child emergency,no sensors in cars and extremely hot day)and yes the officer made a mistake....NOBODY is denying that.
That officer is one of the best officers/handlers that the city has and has dedicated his and his families lives to honerably serving and protecting the citizens of this city.What happened was a horrible accident and Its somthing that he will be dealing with the rest of his life reguardless of what the dept decides to do....enough said.
We will continue to go to work and tonight while you are laying in bed petting your wife or girlfriend we will be out chasing drug dealers and wife beaters and guys that like to play with guns and shoot people cause thats what we do.....And yep you are right, we chose to do this for a living. We dont do it for praise or recognition and we dont expect to win any popularity contests. Not everyone can be a police officer(even though some of you probably think "oh yea I can do it"...nobody really knows if they can do it until you DO it.And in no way are we above the law but we ARE human and we will make mistakes just like you. But our mistakes make the news cuse we are police officers.
If you think you and your family(and our families sacrifice just as much as we do) could handle it why dont you sign up to take the test and see if you can handle doin the job.Then instead of laying in bed with your wife or girlfriend at night, you can give her a kiss goodbye and hug yor kids before you leave for work because there is a possibility that you may never see them again if you dont come home in the morning.
But I expect that all the ones on here that talk shit(not everybody) about the police will probably continue to sit on here behind the safety of their keyboard and TALK crap while we(cops) continue go out every night and put ourselves in harms way.
I see and deal with the worst of society and deal with the most nasty and horrible situations that you can imagine(rapes,homicide scenes,baby deaths,people beat so bad you can barely recognize them, battered children)...everyday! So as for the FTP comments and all that stuff ....your not hurting anybodys feelings including mine but if it makes you feel good then have at it..You guys can continue to bash cops or whatever I dont care.

P.s I and we(police) really appreciate all the good comments and support that we get and we take that to heart everyday when we go to work that we are making a difference out there for the better

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

So...let me ask you directly then...what do you think should be the punishment for this, if any?

And i'm not starting a fight here..i don't feel like i'm bashing police or like i said really bashing this guy in particular, even though i think he made a poor decision. What do you think should happen? I know that's asking a lot since he's your peer and friend but if you were the police chief what would you do?

[mustang8998]

Then instead of laying in bed with your wife or girlfriend at night, you can give her a kiss goodbye and hug yor kids before you leave for work because there is a possibility that you may never see them again if you dont come home in the morning.

With all due respect, that is a tired argument.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa082401a.htm

P.s I and we(police) really appreciate all the good comments and support that we get and we take that to heart everyday when we go to work that we are making a difference out there for the better

I for one, truly appreciate what you do. I think that most people would like to see more of an explanation, regarding this tragedy.

Im done posting about this but if anyone would like to talk shit and would like to p.m me a time and place I would be happy to meet with you and we can talk about it

I suspect this was edited, as I had to add it to the quote, but thats just so wrong, on a lot of different levels. But, then again, you must have thought that through and edited it.

And, as stated by you, it is such a personal thing for the officer, we will never know the truth.
:confused:

[JROUTLAW331]

lol...I didnt mean anything bad with that statement about meeting people but I figured that someone might take it the wrong way:D.....so I did edit it.

I do believe that there should be some form of accoutability for the officer but that decision is made by people well above my pay grade.But like I said whatever happens in the short term he will have to deal with that pain the rest of his life.

And yes you are right the public will probably never really hear what happend because of the familys privacy....And you would want and should get that same privacy for your family.

I do disagree it is not a tired argument....I do know that there is alot of work related deaths but there is no other profession I know of where you where a bullet proof vest and carry a gun to work because of the inherant danger associated with the profession....Yes people are hurt and killed on the job everyday from accidents but cops getting shot and killed is no accident....And yes I have been shot at but I was lucky.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

And yes you are right the public will probably never really hear what happend because of the familys privacy....And you would want and should get that same privacy for your family.

I agree with this, it's just my distrust of the system that tells me that the real truth may not have a damn thing to do with his family. You say you know for a fact it does, so i'll take your word for it and just wait and see what happens.

[JROUTLAW331]

I will have to wait and see myself.
Its sad because this is just a lose/lose situation for everybody and I feel bad.
Even though this is a fellow officer I do believe that there needs to be some form of punishment for what happened but on the other hand I cant imagine what hes going through with his child( I dont have any kids).
I know that no matter what happens that we cant change what happened to bring back the dog but hopefully we can learn from it and get better safety equipment in the cars so that an accident like this can be prevented in the future( even in the case of human error).
I did talk to some people at work tonight and they said that the dept is investigating why those new hybrids that the drug dogs ride in dont have those temp sensors and all the proper alarm stuff like the patrol dog cars do. I do know that there have been several times that those sensors and alarms have gone off when like k-9 officers are in court for extended time in the heat of the day and the cars have mechanical problems and shut off or the a/c units quit working the alarm will set off and let people know.
I can only assume that is a budget deficit problem cause im sure that stuffs not cheap....but neither is a drug dog:(
Like I said before guys Im an animal lover too

[PaulFiveOh]

Calling me out? lol....thats funny
Once again all i hear is a bunch of the same old crap....a bunch of know it all folks(MR fiveoh and puppydog 1052) that have nothing better to do than get on here and talk all your trash and spout your opinions about stuff that you have NO idea what ur talking about but it is funny to listen to though!:lol:.( and if I had a nickle for everyone of you lil criminal justice majors that think you know it all I could retire a rich man...do me a favor chief ,go get a job and run a beat with me for a few years and see what I see and deal with all the political crap that I deal with, then you will have the right to talk and then maybe I will give a shit about what you have to say)..hahahaha
I am a friend of the k-9 officer and I do know exactally what happened. All I will say is that it was a TRUE EMERGENCY(his child has brain cancer) and thats ALL I will say about it because it a private family matter and frankly none of ur fucking business.You guys are making it sound like he had to choose between his child or his dog living and he chose his child or he did some horrible negligent act on purpose that killed his dog....wrong!.. he was in a horribly stressful and emotional situation that involved the life of his child and he made a mistake and his dog passed away......For those of you that dont know juno was a drug dog not a patrol dog which means that he was in one of the new hybid vehicles not a patrol car....The new hybrids dont have the heat sensors and stuff like the patrol k-9 cars have.( I guess with budget problems the city didnt buy them).If they did we probably wouldnt be having this conversation......Bottom line it was a combination of bad circumstances that brought on this tradgedy(child emergency,no sensors in cars and extremely hot day)and yes the officer made a mistake....NOBODY is denying that.
That officer is one of the best officers/handlers that the city has and has dedicated his and his families lives to honerably serving and protecting the citizens of this city.What happened was a horrible accident and Its somthing that he will be dealing with the rest of his life reguardless of what the dept decides to do....enough said.
We will continue to go to work and tonight while you are laying in bed petting your wife or girlfriend we will be out chasing drug dealers and wife beaters and guys that like to play with guns and shoot people cause thats what we do.....And yep you are right, we chose to do this for a living. We dont do it for praise or recognition and we dont expect to win any popularity contests. Not everyone can be a police officer(even though some of you probably think "oh yea I can do it"...nobody really knows if they can do it until you DO it.And in no way are we above the law but we ARE human and we will make mistakes just like you. But our mistakes make the news cuse we are police officers.
If you think you and your family(and our families sacrifice just as much as we do) could handle it why dont you sign up to take the test and see if you can handle doin the job.Then instead of laying in bed with your wife or girlfriend at night, you can give her a kiss goodbye and hug yor kids before you leave for work because there is a possibility that you may never see them again if you dont come home in the morning.
But I expect that all the ones on here that talk shit(not everybody) about the police will probably continue to sit on here behind the safety of their keyboard and TALK crap while we(cops) continue go out every night and put ourselves in harms way.
I see and deal with the worst of society and deal with the most nasty and horrible situations that you can imagine(rapes,homicide scenes,baby deaths,people beat so bad you can barely recognize them, battered children)...everyday! So as for the FTP comments and all that stuff ....your not hurting anybodys feelings including mine but if it makes you feel good then have at it..You guys can continue to bash cops or whatever I dont care.

P.s I and we(police) really appreciate all the good comments and support that we get and we take that to heart everyday when we go to work that we are making a difference out there for the better

You give the law a bad name. Your elitist attitude and your aura of you being better than others on here because your a cop simply makes you look like a douche.

Then to top it off you make it point to talk about what a sacrifice you make everyday you clock in blah blah...Jesus christ, no body cares. It's your job for goodness sakes.

[Pitbull1052]

If I may, every active service member is a hero. The fact they chose to give 4 years or so their life away to the government is highly commendable.





Paul I think you might be becoming my new hero!!!!!!!!! LOL

[thecollector]

This member of the congregation has an issue with this weeks sermon.

This whole thread started in regards to some "Double standard" that exists between what this officer would face versus what a civilian would face given a similar circumstance.

THE DOUBLE STANDARD DOESN"T EXIST.

If your actions were to result in the accidental injury/death of a service animal you would not face criminal charges.

If an officers actions result in the accidental death/injury of a service animal he would not face criminal charges.

Neither individuals would meet the prosecutorial threshold for criminal charges. The service animal would be treated as equipment/city property.

If either individual intentionally hit, kicked, stabbed, pissed on, threw off a roof, shot or ran over a dog they would both be prosecuted the same. The animal has to operating in a service capacity to qualify for criminal charges and it would then be considered an officer. All the states laws as well as military laws reflect this.

If you get in an auto accident with a uniformed officer and it's your fault they don't also charge you for assaulting an officer. If you ram a cop on the highway who has created a roadblock you would qualify for an assault charge. If you hit a cop who is performing a traffic stop your are negligent for not yielding and may be charged.

The Pullpit from which this sermon has been preached is made of butter and it's pretty Fing hot today for butter....

If your gonna teach parables that the world is flat you should probably at least own a current map.:cool2:

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

See...no need for ball busting like that. You could be informative without being sarcastic.

Either way it's a fucking crime that a dog is treated as "equipment". If that's the case then lets stop with the fucking "my partner/like my child" shit and call it what it is....a tool, and nothing else. Don't give me a sob story when your K9 takes a bullet...dry up the fucking tears and get a replacement.

Seem unfair? Yeah i thought so, because we both know these dogs aren't "equipment".

[Pitbull1052]

This member of the congregation has an issue with this weeks sermon.

This whole thread started in regards to some "Double standard" that exists between what this officer would face versus what a civilian would face given a similar circumstance.

THE DOUBLE STANDARD DOESN"T EXIST.

If your actions were to result in the accidental injury/death of a service animal you would not face criminal charges.

If an officers actions result in the accidental death/injury of a service animal he would not face criminal charges.

Neither individuals would meet the prosecutorial threshold for criminal charges. The service animal would be treated as equipment/city property.

If either individual intentionally hit, kicked, stabbed, pissed on, threw off a roof, shot or ran over a dog they would both be prosecuted the same. The animal has to operating in a service capacity to qualify for criminal charges and it would then be considered an officer. All the states laws as well as military laws reflect this.

If you get in an auto accident with a uniformed officer and it's your fault they don't also charge you for assaulting an officer. If you ram a cop on the highway who has created a roadblock you would qualify for an assault charge. If you hit a cop who is performing a traffic stop your are negligent for not yielding and may be charged.

The Pullpit from which this sermon has been preached is made of butter and it's pretty Fing hot today for butter....

If your gonna teach parables that the world is flat you should probably at least own a current map.:cool2:





So you're telling me that there's no double standard when it comes to cops vs civilians???

[Pitbull1052]

See...no need for ball busting like that. You could be informative without being sarcastic.

Either way it's a fucking crime that a dog is treated as "equipment". If that's the case then lets stop with the fucking "my partner/like my child" shit and call it what it is....a tool, and nothing else. Don't give me a sob story when your K9 takes a bullet...dry up the fucking tears and get a replacement.

Seem unfair? Yeah i thought so, because we both know these dogs aren't "equipment".




get em D.........

[Pitbull1052]

a quote from one of my fav movies....... "i guess the strain was more than he could bare"

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100817/NEWS010701/8180364/Attorney-Cop-didn-t-initiate-sex

[thecollector]

See...no need for ball busting like that. You could be informative without being sarcastic.

If that's the case then lets stop with the fucking "my partner/like my child" shit and call it what it is....a tool, and nothing else. Don't give me a sob story when your K9 takes a bullet...dry up the fucking tears and get a replacement.



What you guys can dish out some sack blasts but don't want to take them... Im very lighted hearted and sarcasm comes naturally to me. After 4 pages on a thread it oozes out in E-form.

I agree with you entirely. It is a piece of equipment UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCE.
I didn't pour this pot of piss soup all I did was stir and increase the heat. :coo1:
I offered no sob story for a service animal.
In the eyes of the law in accidental cases it is equipment. If it is intentional it is criminal. I am not in the legislative branch nor am I an elected offcial. I am merely informing you of the ways it actually is. Several successful defense strategies have been implemented getting people out of criminal charges by living in the gray area of what is intrepreted as "accidental." If you want to hate and rant on someone hate those pieces of trash, not the guy sweeping garbage from the streets.

If the law was written differently then if that dog was playing at home with the handler and ran into the street after a tennis ball you would be facing a couple years in the clink if you hit it. That would be something to rant on.

Juno's death is a shame and this cop Fed up big time but ending his career will only bring less experience to the dept. and in all probability decrease the quality of care his daughter is recieving as well as the service the dept. can offer the citizens. I don't think Juno's memory is better served by doing this.

Either way Rant On.

RIP JUNO.

[Pitbull1052]

Calling me out? lol....thats funny
Once again all i hear is a bunch of the same old crap....a bunch of know it all folks(MR fiveoh and puppydog 1052) that have nothing better to do than get on here and talk all your trash and spout your opinions about stuff that you have NO idea what ur talking about but it is funny to listen to though!:lol:.( and if I had a nickle for everyone of you lil criminal justice majors that think you know it all I could retire a rich man...do me a favor chief ,go get a job and run a beat with me for a few years and see what I see and deal with all the political crap that I deal with, then you will have the right to talk and then maybe I will give a shit about what you have to say)..hahahaha
I am a friend of the k-9 officer and I do know exactally what happened. All I will say is that it was a TRUE EMERGENCY(his child has brain cancer) and thats ALL I will say about it because it a private family matter and frankly none of ur fucking business.You guys are making it sound like he had to choose between his child or his dog living and he chose his child or he did some horrible negligent act on purpose that killed his dog....wrong!.. he was in a horribly stressful and emotional situation that involved the life of his child and he made a mistake and his dog passed away......For those of you that dont know juno was a drug dog not a patrol dog which means that he was in one of the new hybid vehicles not a patrol car....The new hybrids dont have the heat sensors and stuff like the patrol k-9 cars have.( I guess with budget problems the city didnt buy them).If they did we probably wouldnt be having this conversation......Bottom line it was a combination of bad circumstances that brought on this tradgedy(child emergency,no sensors in cars and extremely hot day)and yes the officer made a mistake....NOBODY is denying that.
That officer is one of the best officers/handlers that the city has and has dedicated his and his families lives to honerably serving and protecting the citizens of this city.What happened was a horrible accident and Its somthing that he will be dealing with the rest of his life reguardless of what the dept decides to do....enough said.
We will continue to go to work and tonight while you are laying in bed petting your wife or girlfriend we will be out chasing drug dealers and wife beaters and guys that like to play with guns and shoot people cause thats what we do.....And yep you are right, we chose to do this for a living. We dont do it for praise or recognition and we dont expect to win any popularity contests. Not everyone can be a police officer(even though some of you probably think "oh yea I can do it"...nobody really knows if they can do it until you DO it.And in no way are we above the law but we ARE human and we will make mistakes just like you. But our mistakes make the news cuse we are police officers.
If you think you and your family(and our families sacrifice just as much as we do) could handle it why dont you sign up to take the test and see if you can handle doin the job.Then instead of laying in bed with your wife or girlfriend at night, you can give her a kiss goodbye and hug yor kids before you leave for work because there is a possibility that you may never see them again if you dont come home in the morning.
But I expect that all the ones on here that talk shit(not everybody) about the police will probably continue to sit on here behind the safety of their keyboard and TALK crap while we(cops) continue go out every night and put ourselves in harms way.
I see and deal with the worst of society and deal with the most nasty and horrible situations that you can imagine(rapes,homicide scenes,baby deaths,people beat so bad you can barely recognize them, battered children)...everyday! So as for the FTP comments and all that stuff ....your not hurting anybodys feelings including mine but if it makes you feel good then have at it..You guys can continue to bash cops or whatever I dont care.

P.s I and we(police) really appreciate all the good comments and support that we get and we take that to heart everyday when we go to work that we are making a difference out there for the better





well I didnt really read you're post until now and really bud you really think you've got one on me..... I don't really need to justify myself to you, I was a criminal justice major with the intent on becoming a cop until I saw how it really is, a total good ol boy system after I got out of the Army...protecting and serving my country not like some hick ass cop who's been walking "the beat"...... more like the two traffic light town you walk the beat in.... Like I said previously most of my family are cops so mr holyier than thou stick that in your tail pipe and smoke it..... I choose not to due to the good ol boys like you! I just hope one day your partner doesnt lock you in a hot cop car!!!!!!

last time i checked you all were trained to deal with highly stressful situations!!

I like the one time I get on here and rant some fuck stick has to be an asshole about this... did I call you out personally I don't think so, and last time I checked I fought for the rights and freedom's of SPEACH I have bro so if you don't like what i've got to say then don't read it....



You know what really, I've enjoyed my time here, i've met a few really good people again a FEW very FEW at that!!! and the one's that are good peeps know who they are but really you're all a bunch of the biggest fucking cry babies i've ever met in my life, get on here and cry and wine around about how some dude did this to me and someone stole my bitch and blah blah blah.... I thought this was a community where people help each other, and try to teach something that someone was kind enough to teach to you!!!!!! I should have known when the very first time I ever tried to come to a meet last year at Quaker Steak and Lube in Milford, it had been raining everyone I knew had backed out but I still took the time to try and be a memeber, tried to introduce myself to several people and you all acted like you were too good..... so kick me out ban me out whatever you all gotta do but I'm out any of you all that know me hit me up.......

[Blackpony]

Amen Brad Amen. I agree brother, whatever the emergency with the officer he still made a mistake and should be some sort of consequences for his negligence. Had I been on my way he for an emergency and a police officer or k 9 jumped on front of my car regardless I would still be held accountable for my actions and receive full punishment for what I did. Now perhaps as a tax payer I should be asking for the money to replace the dog. I do appreciate the service that police officers do but I will say IMHO don't complain that ur job is stressful and it's hard work all jobs have there stressful times and if it is so bad that it keeps you up at night then quite. Know one is asking you to keep your job after you leave there's always someone else waiting to take your place.

I for one do kiss my son and wife goodnight and I am not a small man so if Mr Bad guy wants to come into my house please try it, I got something for your ass.

[Blackpony]

Ps sorry for my spelling and miswording, the keys are small my phone and I'm not behind my keyboard currently.

[Blackpony]

Ps sorry for my spelling and miswording, the keys are small my phone and I'm not behind my keyboard currently.

[JROUTLAW331]

You give the law a bad name. Your elitist attitude and your aura of you being better than others on here because your a cop simply makes you look like a douche.

Then to top it off you make it point to talk about what a sacrifice you make everyday you clock in blah blah...Jesus christ, no body cares. It's your job for goodness sakes.

HMMMM...let me see....can you show me where I said that I am better than everyone on here?
I dont believe I said that at all....Fact is I dont believe I am any better than anybody because of what I do for a living.
What I was saying is that being a police officer is a honerable and tough job that not everyone can do. Alot of people couldnt deal with the stress or deal with seeing some of the horrible things that we have to deal with on a regular basis....I know alot of people that have left the cpd to pursue other careers after getting on the job and seeing what its like..And in no way do I think any less of them for it.( I know I couldnt be a vet cause I dont like seeing hurt animals but I dont believe vets think that they are better than everybody else) Its just a fact of life that some people can do things that others cant....it doesnt make them any better.
And the fact is I am very proud of what I do and even with all the shit that I deal with I still enjoy it. Like I said before I dont do it for praise or recognition and believe me i KNOW i dont win any popularity contests.
Yes you are entitled to your opinons about what happened with the k-9 situation and plz feel free to post them but when I hear these lil punks say that we(cops) are all a bunch of lazy ,lawless , assholes that think that we are "billy bad asses" just because we have badges... and all the FTP comments and shit like that.....Well boys I take that kinda personal.
I have NEVER got on here and dogged out any of your professions...YES you will have bad apples in every job out there but dont ever forget that for every 1 bad guy there are hundreds that go to work everyday and work hard to make a living for there families. And when you disrespect that in someone you are asking for trouble!

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

I for one do kiss my son and wife goodnight and I am not a small man

Next time i come in for a part, i'm arm wrestling your ass :lol:

[87stangbbb]

^^^lmfao

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Hey i'm sure he'll break my arm but i gotta try :lol:

[Blackpony]

Dave u never come around anymore, where you been hiding?

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Dave u never come around anymore, where you been hiding?

Well call me lucky, none of my junk has broke down so i haven't needed parts :lol:

I do pass there all the time though but i don't know what you drive if you're not in the GT so i don't stop to hang out.

[PaulFiveOh]

HMMMM...let me see....can you show me where I said that I am better than everyone on here?
I dont believe I said that at all....Fact is I dont believe I am any better than anybody because of what I do for a living.
What I was saying is that being a police officer is a honerable and tough job that not everyone can do. Alot of people couldnt deal with the stress or deal with seeing some of the horrible things that we have to deal with on a regular basis....I know alot of people that have left the cpd to pursue other careers after getting on the job and seeing what its like..And in no way do I think any less of them for it.( I know I couldnt be a vet cause I dont like seeing hurt animals but I dont believe vets think that they are better than everybody else) Its just a fact of life that some people can do things that others cant....it doesnt make them any better.
And the fact is I am very proud of what I do and even with all the shit that I deal with I still enjoy it. Like I said before I dont do it for praise or recognition and believe me i KNOW i dont win any popularity contests.
Yes you are entitled to your opinons about what happened with the k-9 situation and plz feel free to post them but when I hear these lil punks say that we(cops) are all a bunch of lazy ,lawless , assholes that think that we are "billy bad asses" just because we have badges... and all the FTP comments and shit like that.....Well boys I take that kinda personal.
I have NEVER got on here and dogged out any of your professions...YES you will have bad apples in every job out there but dont ever forget that for every 1 bad guy there are hundreds that go to work everyday and work hard to make a living for there families. And when you disrespect that in someone you are asking for trouble!

Ok, fair enough.

Thanks for your service.

[Blackpony]

Well call me lucky, none of my junk has broke down so i haven't needed parts :lol:

I do pass there all the time though but i don't know what you drive if you're not in the GT so i don't stop to hang out.

Only been working Wednesdays

[Pitbull1052]

HMMMM...let me see....can you show me where I said that I am better than everyone on here?
I dont believe I said that at all....Fact is I dont believe I am any better than anybody because of what I do for a living.
What I was saying is that being a police officer is a honerable and tough job that not everyone can do. Alot of people couldnt deal with the stress or deal with seeing some of the horrible things that we have to deal with on a regular basis....I know alot of people that have left the cpd to pursue other careers after getting on the job and seeing what its like..And in no way do I think any less of them for it.( I know I couldnt be a vet cause I dont like seeing hurt animals but I dont believe vets think that they are better than everybody else) Its just a fact of life that some people can do things that others cant....it doesnt make them any better.
And the fact is I am very proud of what I do and even with all the shit that I deal with I still enjoy it. Like I said before I dont do it for praise or recognition and believe me i KNOW i dont win any popularity contests.
Yes you are entitled to your opinons about what happened with the k-9 situation and plz feel free to post them but when I hear these lil punks say that we(cops) are all a bunch of lazy ,lawless , assholes that think that we are "billy bad asses" just because we have badges... and all the FTP comments and shit like that.....Well boys I take that kinda personal.
I have NEVER got on here and dogged out any of your professions...YES you will have bad apples in every job out there but dont ever forget that for every 1 bad guy there are hundreds that go to work everyday and work hard to make a living for there families. And when you disrespect that in someone you are asking for trouble!



Billy,

Lets get one thing straight I'm no little punk........ Most likely unless you're over 40 i'm older than you. Horrible things you have to deal with what highland county becoming the wild wild west???? When you've seen a 3 year olds head blown off from an IED with his mother holding his lifeless body or your best friends brains laying in his lap cause some 12 year old sniper actually hit something that day give me a shot out............. either way the way you've responded to this proves that you've got your ASP21 rammed so far up your well you know that you could prolly use it as a shifter for that pretty orange car you have. Either way I do wish the best for the officers daughter, RIP JUNO........... maybe if you werent such as ass hat you'd tried to maybe get a cruise together trying to benefit his daughter.......... Just a though Billy.........

[Pitbull1052]

Only been working Wednesdays




one dirty ass black Equinox............. that's what he drives D

[Blackpony]

Highland County, is that where men are men and farm animals are scared....Sorry i couldn't resist.

[Blackpony]

one dirty ass black Equinox............. that's what he drives D

Well if i wasn't so busy working on my stang, i'd have time to wash it....

[Pitbull1052]

Well if i wasn't so busy working on my stang, i'd have time to wash it....




when's the last time you worked on it other than some painting????? yesterday? day before lol week before lol........

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

I heard Brad loves certain cars so much he waxes the engine bay just because.

:D

[Pitbull1052]

I heard Brad loves certain cars so much he waxes the engine bay just because.

:D





lol that's very true but when the engine bay's paint is better than my entire cars paint job it's kinda hard not to..... now it looks like I get to do it all over again........ stupid ass scat crank just had to go and break didnt it lol

[JROUTLAW331]

[QUOTE=Pitbull1052;591405]Billy,

Lets get one thing straight I'm no little punk........ Most likely unless you're over 40 i'm older than you. Horrible things you have to deal with what highland county becoming the wild wild west???? When you've seen a 3 year olds head blown off from an IED with his mother holding his lifeless body or your best friends brains laying in his lap cause some 12 year old sniper actually hit something that day give me a shot out............. either way the way you've responded to this proves that you've got your ASP21 rammed so far up your well you know that you could prolly use it as a shifter for that pretty orange car you have. Either way I do wish the best for the officers daughter, RIP JUNO........... maybe if you werent such as ass hat you'd tried to maybe get a cruise together trying to benefit his daughter.......... Just a though Billy.........[/QUOTE
O.k Sorry ....I will rephrase....Im tired of hearing those 40yr old lil punks then...Hows that?...any better?
HAHAHAHA.....What a DINK!!!!
And for the record I will never disrespect our military by getting into a pissing match over who sees more traumatic situations...Its a shame that you will.
Thanks for the compliment about my car though:bigthumb

[Pitbull1052]

[QUOTE=Pitbull1052;591405]Billy,

Lets get one thing straight I'm no little punk........ Most likely unless you're over 40 i'm older than you. Horrible things you have to deal with what highland county becoming the wild wild west???? When you've seen a 3 year olds head blown off from an IED with his mother holding his lifeless body or your best friends brains laying in his lap cause some 12 year old sniper actually hit something that day give me a shot out............. either way the way you've responded to this proves that you've got your ASP21 rammed so far up your well you know that you could prolly use it as a shifter for that pretty orange car you have. Either way I do wish the best for the officers daughter, RIP JUNO........... maybe if you werent such as ass hat you'd tried to maybe get a cruise together trying to benefit his daughter.......... Just a though Billy.........[/QUOTE
O.k Sorry ....I will rephrase....Im tired of hearing those 40yr old lil punks then...Hows that?...any better?
HAHAHAHA.....What a DINK!!!!
And for the record I will never disrespect our military by getting into a pissing match over who sees more traumatic situations...Its a shame that you will.
Thanks for the compliment about my car though:bigthumb




Billy,


what a "DINK" does anyone even use that word anymore? and your right you won't disrespect our military by the sounds of it they wouldnt let you in. not getting into a pissing match I'm just saying your hard stressful popo job in highland county isnt all that, seeing road kill, or the after math of where one of your boys spot lighted a dear or the 12 year old stealing a 360 game at walmart doesnt count.... and you're welcome car looks slick as hell except for the overwhelming smell of rotting pork........



here ya go imagine that another dog story where it was an accident but this lady was charged, booked and will be arraigned today....... and what's a real shame is that they don't have a more extensive screening process to become a police officer...........


http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100819/NEWS010703/308190023/1167/NEWS/Dog-dragged-for-miles-woman-charged

[Pitbull1052]

Billy,


Since I know you can't really look much up on a computer but porn, this site and the criminal record of the girl your stalking here's the definition of dink!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/DINK

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

lol that's very true but when the engine bay's paint is better than my entire cars paint job it's kinda hard not to..... now it looks like I get to do it all over again........ stupid ass scat crank just had to go and break didnt it lol

I can't believe that crap. At this point i wouldn't blame him at all if he sold it. That F'in car is cursed.

[JROUTLAW331]

[QUOTE=JROUTLAW331;591744]




Billy,


what a "DINK" does anyone even use that word anymore? and your right you won't disrespect our military by the sounds of it they wouldnt let you in. not getting into a pissing match I'm just saying your hard stressful popo job in highland county isnt all that, seeing road kill, or the after math of where one of your boys spot lighted a dear or the 12 year old stealing a 360 game at walmart doesnt count.... and you're welcome car looks slick as hell except for the overwhelming smell of rotting pork........



here ya go imagine that another dog story where it was an accident but this lady was charged, booked and will be arraigned today....... and what's a real shame is that they don't have a more extensive screening process to become a police officer...........


http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100819/NEWS010703/308190023/1167/NEWS/Dog-dragged-for-miles-woman-charged

What the hell are you talking about highland county for?
I dont work there....lol
Anyway....this is been fun but its getting boreing and im getting my car back from shop tomorrow with my new motor and turbo sittin snuggly in the engine bay so i need to get in the garage and get it plummbed and rewired for the big stuff 3 so i can make the shootout and get me a sticker.:bigthumb
Carry on boys.....Im out

[Pitbull1052]

I can't believe that crap. At this point i wouldn't blame him at all if he sold it. That F'in car is cursed.





I'm working on that!!!!!!! lol you should see it it's pretty tasty looking when you can see a 3" gap where the balancer use to be lol

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

I'm just happy it didn't happen while I was driving it lol.

[Pitbull1052]

I'm just happy it didn't happen while I was driving it lol.




Trust me bro I totally feel you on that one!!!!!!!!!!