HP war Father and Son

[Pops Fun]

Hi
Thursday the 8th Tom and I are getting our sn95's tuned at Cincy Speed. We both have ford small blocks.. dart blocks with Vortech blowers.

I have a 347 that made 520rwhp on the last block that blew. using pump gas tuned down ??

Tom has a 331 that made 570rwhp with a gas additive, Tom is getting a pump gas tune. :D

I now have 8.5 compression ratio had 9.1 or so, with 42# injectors.
Tom has a 9.0 compression i think with 60 # injectors

He has more compression and I have a few more cubes!!

Do I have a chance.. ??

[cobra429boss]

need to change your sig steve.. Hell yeah you have a chance..

[Pops Fun]

need to change your sig steve.. Hell yeah you have a chance..
Sig changed.. thanks

[stocknotch]

Lower compression with more boost makes more power than higher compression with less boost. I don't think .5 of compression is gonna matter much though. The question is....who has smaller pulleys and the biggest set of kahunas? lol

[dsmawd350]

What heads, what cam, both stick cars? same size blowers and same pulleys? both using the same intercoolers?. alot more too it then what you stated...

[Pops Fun]

What heads, what cam, both stick cars? same size blowers and same pulleys? both using the same intercoolers?. alot more too it then what you stated...

Same cam, same pulley, both stick cars.... same size blowers.. no inter coolers.. both TFS heads, both ported... He has larger fuel lines I have stock lines....

[89notch]

You need to get some 60's in that car before you tune it :lol:

[Jeff88coupe]

Ya...your probably already on the verge of the limits of your stock fuel lines and rails. Fuel ='s power if you supply the air to it. I think your son wins the HP crown.

[Pops Fun]

Today we find out...... can't wait!!:D

[Evil_Capri]

Today we find out...... can't wait!!:D

What time? I will be out and about . . . may stop by!

[Pops Fun]

Hi
Noon is the start, maybe a little earlier if possible. Can't wait til I see what this new engine is going to do!! :D

Maybe new fuel lines and injectors this winter... ??

[beefcake]

subscribing

[Maximus]

Round 1 complete. :)

[jlt2006]

You're just a big tease.

[beefcake]

Round 1 complete. :)

what a worthless waste of time and space,

no numbers, no care!

[Kwik92GT]

Numbers or it didn't happen. ;)

[Walter]

:booty:

[cobra429boss]

c'mon lets hear this shit

[Maximus]

I feel a re-match is already in the making. Steve wants more Boost!!:)

[djom1cincy]

Steve must have lost if he wants more boost. Give up some numbers already.

[Maximus]

Ill let Steve post up the results in here. But if you cant wait, clic on the Facebook link in my signature for results.:)

[dsmawd350]

so in your opinion being the ones that tuned it and All. Pops fun said they were basically identical setups. whats behind the ~70 hp increase in toms car?

[redfirepearlgt]

so in your opinion being the ones that tuned it and All. Pops fun said they were basically identical setups. whats behind the ~70 hp increase in toms car?

You guys need to come down tto the REd Robin the Saturday and show us what you got!!! Noon @ the Florence Red Robin next to Hooters!!!!!

[dsmawd350]

not sure why i got quoted for the reply? I'm just curious why two identical setups saw such a difference. did it run out of fuel?

[Pops Fun]

Hi
First what a great group down at Cincy Speed!! Customer service extraordinaire..

Well... as you have guessed I lost and not by a little either.

I had 507 RWHp and 500 tq. :) I wasn't tuned at all, Adam did a base run and when checked it was perfect. Adam said I might eek a tiny bit more out of it but not worth the time... That is what I like an honest guy, that tells it like it is!
Thought I would make more but not to be.

Tom on the other hand made 573 RWHP and 546 tq. :D I was a little disappointed, to say the least. Thought he could have made it a closer race but not to be.

needless to say I will explore other options for horsepower... a meth kit, bigger injectors etc. Might be a while though... I will enjoy the safe tune and DRIVE THE CAR....

Again Craig and people are a great bunch to work with and and they have a couple more satisfied customers.

just got back a few minutes ago...

Steve

[facemelter71]

That little bit of compression helps.

[Pops Fun]

That little bit of compression helps.

He pulled about 3 more pounds of boost than me.. 14 # I might have to check pullies... ;)

Steve

[cstreu1026]

3 lbs. of boost and the added compression could most certainly account for the extra power.

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

Steve I'm pretty sure he made 565 torque. lol :bigthumb

[redfirepearlgt]

Hi
First what a great group down at Cincy Speed!! Customer service extraordinaire..

Well... as you have guessed I lost and not by a little either.

I had 507 RWHp and 500 tq. :) I wasn't tuned at all, Adam did a base run and when checked it was perfect. Adam said I might eek a tiny bit more out of it but not worth the time... That is what I like an honest guy, that tells it like it is!
Thought I would make more but not to be.

Tom on the other hand made 573 RWHP and 546 tq. :D I was a little disappointed, to say the least. Thought he could have made it a closer race but not to be.

needless to say I will explore other options for horsepower... a meth kit, bigger injectors etc. Might be a while though... I will enjoy the safe tune and DRIVE THE CAR....

Again Craig and people are a great bunch to work with and and they have a couple more satisfied customers.

just got back a few minutes ago...

Steve

GREAT NUMBERS!!!! I'M JEALOUS!

[djom1cincy]

^ plus one

[Pops Fun]

Steve I'm pretty sure he made 565 torque. lol :bigthumb

:bigthumb What can I say I am dyslexic !!

[MFIELD]

Steve the difference in fuel is definately helping also, that .5 point in compression is going to make power to. I think with more injector and fuel rail to support it you will be right there with him in power.

[beefcake]

the young dog takes the bone from the old man!!!

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

the young dog takes the bone from the old man!!!

I wouldn't count out the old boy just yet! But either way both cars are bad ass with extremely nice owners...

[Maximus]

I wouldn't count out the old boy just yet! But either way both cars are bad ass with extremely nice owners...

:bigthumb

[95vert525hp]

Hi all,

Big thanks to Craig & Adam at Cincy Speed!

I was very impressed with Adams strong desire to get the car tuned safely & correctly. He & the crew at Cincy Speed professionally worked through the problems that tuning a 94-95 car like mine presents, now with Adams help at 573hp & 565tq. Adam also sorted out several drivability problems I have had for several years.

The fact that the car makes as much power now on pump gas as it did before with a lot of additive is pretty damn impressive. Also gained almost 20tq all with very safe air fuel readings.

The overall value for the service provided was very high.
Great job & thanks again Cincy Speed!!!

Tom (best known as Pops son)

P.S. Also big thanks to you dad. For anyone that doesn't know your awesome.
Some more fuel & some boost & I think you be right there with me. I really going to enjoy finding out.
Love You

[Evil_Capri]

I will enjoy the safe tune and DRIVE THE CAR....


That's the best part! (And it was nice to drive past you on Red Bank the other day!! :lol:)

Nice numbers for you and Tom! (Tom, hope things are going well! Your hp/tq numbers are certainly doing well!!)

[Pops Fun]

Here is mine.. I'll ask Tom if he wants his posted.

Tom.. love ya.. but I will catch up!!



http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj22/Popsfun/Car%20Stuff/Dyno4_8_108x10.jpg

[jlt2006]

Still descent numbers Steve. You will need a new show board made for your showing setup.

I can hear it now. "My sons car made better numbers than mine", will be your new motto.

[BigBadStang]

Great job guys!
Another contributor/inhibitor, although not a major one, could be loose engine vs. tight engine.

[Pops Fun]

Great job guys!
Another contributor/inhibitor, although not a major one, could be loose engine vs. tight engine.

mine won't be tight for long!! WOOT!!

[winner70ta]

Hey Pop's, we all want our kids to do better than we did! ;)

[Pops Fun]

Hey Pop's, we all want our kids to do better than we did! ;)

:lol: :lol: :lol: Not that much better :lol: :lol:

[cobra429boss]

i would say the fuel is whats keepin you from puttin down closer numbers to tom.. Get the injectors and fuel rails and change pullies and im sure adam can get you right there

[Pops Fun]

Tom's Dyno Sheet

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj22/Popsfun/Car%20Stuff/TomDyno4_8_108x10.jpg

[cobra429boss]

steve looks like your car is losing power around 4800 you def need some fuel

[blue5.8]

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