What will it make?

[AntiRice427]

I'm headed to the dyno this Thur and I thought it would be fun to see who has the closest guess for HP. I buy the winner a beer at the spring cruise! Its a 94 GT with...

347 stroker 10.8:1 comp
Out of the box Edelbrock Victor Jr. heads
Out of the box Edelbrock Victor EFI intake
Stage 3 Trickflow cam
1.6 rockers
87-93 throttle body swapped
Accufab 75mm race throttle body
Custom 4in cold air intake
1 3/4 Mac shorty headers
Mac 3in Prochamber
Dynomax 3in bullet mufflers no tailpipes
UPR u/d pullies no a/c, smog, or power steering.
Tremec TKO trans
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg54/AntiRice347/94GT011.jpg

[k062693w]

386 hp N/A at the wheels !!!

[Blowpastyou]

street tires on it now?

[Blowpastyou]

im guessing with street tires, right at 400

[dawsin94cobra]

hmmmm i am gonna guess 382hp

[Metcalf Racing]

I'm headed to the dyno this Thur and I thought it would be fun to see who has the closest guess for HP. I buy the winner a beer at the spring cruise! Its a 94 GT with...

347 stroker 10.8:1 comp
Out of the box Edelbrock Victor Jr. heads
Out of the box Edelbrock Victor EFI intake
Stage 3 Trickflow cam
1.6 rockers
87-93 throttle body swapped
Accufab 75mm race throttle body
Custom 4in cold air intake
1 3/4 Mac shorty headers
Mac 3in Prochamber
Dynomax 3in bullet mufflers no tailpipes
UPR u/d pullies no a/c, smog, or power steering.
Tremec TKO trans
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg54/AntiRice347/94GT011.jpg

Depends, where are you taking it?

[stocknotch]

Depends, where are you taking it?

Yeah this is the real question. Depending on where you take it, it could range from Blown up, 305rwhp, 315rwhp, 320rwhp, 330rwhp....or take it to that place in CINCY and it'll make around 403.3rwhp. lol. Goodluck....Hope it makes whatever you were hoping for.

[87stangbbb]

397 hp

[AntiRice427]

I dont know if I should keep it on slicks or use the 17x10.5s I have with crappy street tires? Its going to Precision.

[Kevin1989]

my guess is 391 at 5626rpm

[mustangrfast88]

sounds about like my setup and i would say go to cincy speed but each there own and i am saying 407 at 6450

[Metcalf Racing]

Well now I have better knowledge I'm going to make my guess. 341rwhp. My estimate is asuming it has 30lb injecters + meter

[Timido]

393hp!

[satan jamez]

375hp

[AntiRice427]

Well now I have better knowledge I'm going to make my guess. 341rwhp. My estimate is asuming it has 30lb injecters + meter

:lol:

[Metcalf Racing]

:lol:

I'm not spitting. I think you guys are aiming a bit high but we will see

[Metcalf Racing]

Oh, when I win a Coke will do fine. I don't drink :)

[evil8]

My guess is not enough for a bonestock LS1.

[RIXXX93GT]

389 rwhp.

[bangingears]

411rwhp

[93 coupe]

399.9:D

[Johnson1134]

362 to the wheels.

[05yellowgt]

Running this one on pump gas or E85?

[AntiRice427]

Pump gas until summer.

[ashnic]

379rwhp

[Maximus]

...keep it on slicks or use the 17x10.5s I have with crappy street tires?...

Street tires.
374/388

Good Luck!:bigthumb

[mfoss]

385 rwhp

[1992MustangDW]

404 hp 413 tq, prolly way over shooting

[bbfstanger]

380 hp is my guess

[mustang8998]

379rwhp


380 hp is my guess

I was going close to these, so

379.5 rwhp.

[5.0calypso93lx]

I'll go 383.

[Metcalf Racing]

My coke is going to taste goooooooood

[NO SHOT]

You need to go to bed Craig!!
But your right on the numbers, I say 358 !!!

[NO SHOT]

If I win give my beer to maximus!!!!!!!!Its all you buddy!!!!:D

[9cobra4]

369hp.

[1_slo_92]

364 is my guess.

[Kid_Money]

350...

[chadomac]

i say 369

[Pitbull1052]

352....

[dsmawd350]

347 :)

[firestang70]

365/380

[331TwistedWedge]

my buddy has that combo on a 331, so add the 16 more cubic inches that you have ... he made 362/348 at md ... im going with.................

378/364 ....... i will take a miller genuine draft please :drunk:

you will peak around 6200 and carry out nicely to 6700 ... you wont run any 10's, but you will hit 11.21 at 122.86 ...

if im right on all of this ~ i want a hot dog and a gatorade at tristate ... the best dogs in town :lol: :bigthumb

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

You guys really put that much difference in street tires vs. slicks or DR's?

[331TwistedWedge]

You guys really put that much difference in street tires vs. slicks or DR's?

ive heard slicks can take away 20hp ... i guessed my numbers on street tires ... i wouldnt dyno on slicks ...

[Metcalf Racing]

Bad advice. You need to dyno it the way your going to race it. If you are going to run slicks,tune it that way

[Metcalf Racing]

my buddy has that combo on a 331, so add the 16 more cubic inches that you have ... he made 362/348 at md ... im going with.................

378/364 ....... i will take a miller genuine draft please :drunk:

you will peak around 6200 and carry out nicely to 6700 ... you wont run any 10's, but you will hit 11.21 at 122.86 ...

if im right on all of this ~ i want a hot dog and a gatorade at tristate ... the best dogs in town :lol: :bigthumb

So on slicks your saying in the 350's?

[mrstang-gt-46]

ricky,ill give u a tube steak on rye!!!!!!

[331TwistedWedge]

So on slicks your saying in the 350's?

i dont know on slicks, ive never really seen it done ... air pressure is a funny thing on the dyno, but this is coming from someone else ... i think dave (95turbo) is running that combo on a 331 as well ... he dyno'd on slicks and still made 335+ ... this guy is running more cam and cubic inches ... man its hard to say ... i would still think 350hp ... hell i made 357 with a very small combo and a 331 ... cant wait to see his numbers ...


ricky,ill give u a tube steak on rye!!!!!!

:lol: you are NUTS!!!!

[Metcalf Racing]

Ricky likes it straight up plain

[331TwistedWedge]

Ricky likes it straight up plain

:lol: ... larry loves middletown men :lol:

larry's hip is broke from being bent over so much ...

[Metcalf Racing]

My cousins 331 with trickflow heads,x cam,victor efi @jeffs didn't break 300 and it was on 17in drs

[Metcalf Racing]

:lol: ... larry loves middletown men :lol:

larry's hip is broke from being bent over so much ...
Can't imagin that. Dr told him to cut that out after the second knee replacement

[331TwistedWedge]

if your dyno numbers are a bit lower than expected, go get that lower intake machined ... they fit poorly out of the box, even with your edelbrock heads ... then port match it while you're at it ...

there is a pinch point in that upper intake as well ... it narrows down to a 65mm in the neck, port that outwards ... you may see as much as 25hp by fixing all of the out of the box issues ...

[mrstang-gt-46]

wrong cam!!!!!

[5.0calypso93lx]

ricky,ill give u a tube steak on rye!!!!!!

You don't even know what it looks like anymore! :lol::flipoff:

[Metcalf Racing]

wrong cam!!!!!
100hp?

[331TwistedWedge]

wrong cam!!!!!

that trick flow stage 3 cam is nasty ... 3200-7000+ rpm range ... its going to work, but its probably shitty on the street ... it has to buck like a wild horse ...

just seen a dyno test on a 347 with that cam ... it was the new edelbrock 185 extremes, trick flow stage 3 cam and carb'd ... it made 518 on an engine dyno ... thats over 400 rwhp ....

alright im off to work, some of us work on here ... post those numbers up thursday ...

[Metcalf Racing]

that trick flow stage 3 cam is nasty ... 3200-7000+ rpm range ... its going to work, but its probably shitty on the street ... it has to buck like a wild horse ...

just seen a dyno test on a 347 with that cam ... it was the new edelbrock 185 extremes, trick flow stage 3 cam and carb'd ... it made 518 on an engine dyno ... thats over 400 rwhp ....

But is an x cam 100rwhp smaller?

[5.0calypso93lx]

But is an x cam 100rwhp smaller?

What's the rest of the setup?

[Metcalf Racing]

I posted it. Look up 3-4 posts. Oh and it was 10.5:1

[AntiRice427]

wrong cam!!!!!

Cheap cam!!!! It will get the job done until I can afford to do what I want with this car. I'm not looking for opinions guys just want to see what everybody's guess is.

[Yellow98Cobra]

362 hp on street tires

[mrstang-gt-46]

sorry i meant wrong cam to metcaf, graig

[AntiRice427]

Does anybody have any dyno sheets or video to prove the street tire vs. slick theory? I have heard different stories from alot of different people over the years about this. I see it as my prostars and slicks are lighter which equals less rotating mass but on the other hand I can see how street tires could have less drag on the dyno, but then again my street tires are on heavy 17x10.5 wheels. I'm the type that needs proof before I will believe anything.

[cstreu1026]

I remember KenB posting something about the difference but that was a long long long time ago.

[331TwistedWedge]

My cousins 331 with trickflow heads,x cam,victor efi @jeffs didn't break 300 and it was on 17in drs

thats almost my combo ... same cubes, heads and intake ... i have a much smaller cam ... .513 lift, .230 duration ... sounds like your cousins combo is about 60 hp off for some reason ... probably more if he's 10.5:1 ... thats more than mine ...

maybe its the magic touch of kenb ... you should go pay him a visit ;)

[Maximus]

Does anybody have any dyno sheets or video to prove the street tire vs. slick theory? I have heard different stories from alot of different people over the years about this. I see it as my prostars and slicks are lighter which equals less rotating mass but on the other hand I can see how street tires could have less drag on the dyno, but then again my street tires are on heavy 17x10.5 wheels. I'm the type that needs proof before I will believe anything.

Take both sets of rims with you and do a comparison.:bigthumb

[12seclx]

Take both sets of rims with you and do a comparison.:bigthumb

:agree:...........:D

[AntiRice427]

I'm a poor guy. You pay for the extra time to do that and I will take both sets of wheels! I would say you guys are right about the street tires making more but it would be cool to see how much more. The car will have street tires on it Thurs just so everybody knows...

[wildstang89]

333hp

[dsmawd350]

ive read plenty of people on yellowbullet saying slicks will eat up alot of hp on the dyno

[Maximus]

I'm a poor guy. You pay for the extra time to do that and I will take both sets of wheels! I would say you guys are right about the street tires making more but it would be cool to see how much more. The car will have street tires on it Thurs just so everybody knows...

Seeing as I would be curious to know the outcome and you would be willing to do the changing. I wouldnt charge you extra. Thats just me thou.:)

[AntiRice427]

Seeing as I would be curious to know the outcome and you would be willing to do the changing. I wouldnt charge you extra. Thats just me thou.:)

In fairness I was never told that I would be charged more. I always wanted to make back to back pulls using street tires, dr's, and slicks when I worked at Dayton Performance but it was just one of those things that I never thought of when I had my cars on the dyno.

[Metcalf Racing]

thats almost my combo ... same cubes, heads and intake ... i have a much smaller cam ... .513 lift, .230 duration ... sounds like your cousins combo is about 60 hp off for some reason ... probably more if he's 10.5:1 ... thats more than mine ...

maybe its the magic touch of kenb ... you should go pay him a visit ;)

Ken B can sniff the sweat from the bottom of my ball sack

[Maximus]

In fairness I was never told that I would be charged more. I always wanted to make back to back pulls using street tires, dr's, and slicks when I worked at Dayton Performance but it was just one of those things that I never thought of when I had my cars on the dyno.

Im sure Jeff will do the same for ya. It doesnt hurt to ask.:)

[red srides]

425rwhp

[1987coupe]

395rwhp

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Craig when i get my new carb and intake, if you have some slicks that'll go on my car you can do whatever you damn well please with it :D

I'd be really curious to know myself. I originally dynoed with drag radials, although we did air them up to like 40psi thinking it might help. I think the big issue is sidewall flex isn't it? I'll most likely be getting new tires put on before i come down to dyno so i'll prob be on street tires. If i find some slicks to bring with me i'll be all about it.

[Johnson1134]

362 hp on street tires

that was my guess and i was first.lol.......

[Yellow98Cobra]

that was my guess and i was first.lol.......

So you are right......363 lol

[Johnson1134]

So you are right......363 lol

ahh i was just kiddin.

[9cobra4]

My cousins 331 with trickflow heads,x cam,victor efi @jeffs didn't break 300 and it was on 17in drs

Wow..that's terrible. My car made 310hp with a 306 10:5:1 compression, x-cam, canfield heads(2.02,1.60's) lt's x pipe and catback, on 17inch dr's.

[Metcalf Racing]

Wow..that's terrible. My car made 310hp with a 306 10:5:1 compression, x-cam, canfield heads(2.02,1.60's) lt's x pipe and catback, on 17inch dr's.

I know, that's after the tune. He did have an auto so I maybe a little low with my guestimate but not by much

[evil8]

My guess: 402

[331TwistedWedge]

thursday, what did this car make????

[AntiRice427]

Well boys I was hoping to see atleast 400 and I got what I hoped for!! It did 402/399 at about 5700rpm. I'm really suprised that it made all that torque with the victor intake. The car runs great and I'm very happy with it. Cant wait for summer!

Looks like a tie between blowpastyou and 1992mustangsdw with guesses of 400 and 404. I guess you guys get to share a beer together :HYF:

[Blowpastyou]

:cheers:

[331TwistedWedge]

thats a killer number ... 10 second capable car ...

you just never know about dyno numbers, its always hard to say ... sounds like that nasty cam worked out nice ... how far did it pull? ... im shocked that peak came at only 5700 ... post your graph ...

[Blowpastyou]

I had the same cam in my old 347 with 1.7 rockers, I think they played a little part in it, but mine started to level out around the same rpm.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

So for the record, is this with street tires or..?

[evil8]

My guess: 402

No. Thats the winner.

[AntiRice427]

Power started falling off at about 58-5900. Just as well because I dont have the valve train for a high reving engine. I will post the graph as soon as I get my new scanner hooked up. Yep that was on street tires.

[Squale iii]

damn, that thing's gonna be fast at the track.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Could it be too much cam causing the drop off? Or in other words not enough heads/intake? Maybe something to do with port velocity or something alone those lines? Mine peaked at 6300 with old school ported heads and similarish cam specs. Heck and a duel plane intake too.

[Metcalf Racing]

Well that's cool. It should get in the 10's with that kinda of power so I can't wait to see if those numbers are realistic at the track. Good luck!

[Maximus]

Congrats!!:bigthumb

[331TwistedWedge]

your stock victor jr springs should let you rev to 6700-6800, that cam advertises 7000+ ... if you can hit 6400-6500+ rpms, i bet you put down 420+ ...

like metcalf said, the track is the real dyno ...

[AntiRice427]

Just thought of this, kinda funny 1992mustangdw those mac pro dumps I sold you, I bought them from blowpastyou lol

[bbfstanger]

good numbers mike ,who's dyno did you use?

[1992MustangDW]

that is funny. that car will be a monster.

[AntiRice427]

Here is a pic of the dyno sheet. Its going to take some gear to get this thing down the track. I'm thinking 4.56's with 28in tires. I also have a video that I'm going to try to post.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg54/AntiRice347/94gt361.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg54/AntiRice347/th_94gt362.jpg (http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg54/AntiRice347/?action=view&current=94gt362.flv)

[AntiRice427]

When I had this engine in my other car it made 352/400. That was with a comp xe274hr cam, performer rpm intake, 1 5/8 headers, 94/95 throttlebody and full accesories. The new cam and intake really woke her up. Made 50 more horses and torque stayed the same.

[k062693w]

Congrats Mike !!! I can't wait to see it at the track !!!

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

That's a funny looking curve. That cam takes some time to wake up.

[mustangboy]

I made 402 hp as well, but I did make a little less torque

[306Power]

Nice numbers! I like the paint job as well.

[331TwistedWedge]

that cam takes a long time to wake up ... why did they stop pulling at 5800? ... just because it flat lined doesnt mean it wont keep carrying out ... you need to keep going til it starts to fall off and dive down ... you may have flat lined up to 6500 or so ... now you have no idea where to shift?


i would love to see what this car makes at MD ... seems like other dyno's pump a car up 25+ hp ... i had a friend make 362 at MD and 390 at pauls ... the car didnt run like no 390hp (11.45) ...

[331TwistedWedge]

When I had this engine in my other car it made 352/400. That was with a comp xe274hr cam, performer rpm intake, 1 5/8 headers, 94/95 throttlebody and full accesories. The new cam and intake really woke her up. Made 50 more horses and torque stayed the same.

where did you dyno the 352? ... it makes a HUGE difference where you go ...

[AntiRice427]

that cam takes a long time to wake up ... why did they stop pulling at 5800? ... just because it flat lined doesnt mean it wont keep carrying out ... you need to keep going til it starts to fall off and dive down ... you may have flat lined up to 6500 or so ... now you have no idea where to shift?


i would love to see what this car makes at MD ... seems like other dyno's pump a car up 25+ hp ... i had a friend make 362 at MD and 390 at pauls ... the car didnt run like no 390hp (11.45) ...

Well its pretty clear that the torque is done and that the hp is falling off. It may have flatened out for a few hundred more rpms but I doubt it I wasn't to worried about because this was just a quick tune to get the a/f right so the car would stop stinking up my garage and house evertime it was started. This spring I'm going to put ethanol in it and give it a little more timing, then we will rev it out a little more and see what happens. I might even have the heads and intake ported before then :rolleyes:

[AntiRice427]

where did you dyno the 352? ... it makes a HUGE difference where you go ...

Nah seems like all the dynos in the Dayton area are within a few hp of eachother. I can feel the extra power that this car has over the other car to.

[Mustard]

some really nice numbers mike!