windsor jr heads? Cant find if they bolt right on. Here are specs.

[1992MustangDW]

Brand
World Products
Manufacturer's Part Number
053030-2
Part Type
Cylinder Heads
Product Line
World Products Windsor Jr Cylinder Heads
Summit Racing Part Number
WRL-053030-2



Cylinder Head Style
Assembled
Cylinder Head Material
Cast iron
Cylinder Head Finish
Natural
Combustion Chamber Volume (cc)
58
CNC-Machined Combustion Chamber
No
Intake Runner Volume (cc)
180cc
CNC-Machined Intake Runner
No
CNC-Machined Exhaust Runner
No
Intake Port Location
Standard
Exhaust Port Shape
Square
Exhaust Port Location
Standard
Intake Valves Included
Yes
Intake Valve Diameter (in)
1.940 in.
Exhaust Valves Included
Yes
Exhaust Valve Diameter (in)
1.600 in.
Valve Springs Included
Yes
Maximum Valve Lift (in)
0.600 in.
Outside Diameter of Outer Spring (in)
1.437 in.
Damper Spring Included
No
Number of Springs Per Valve
Dual
Retainers Included
Yes
Retainer Material
Chromemoly steel
Locks Included
Yes
Lock Style
7 degree
Valve Stem Seals Included
Yes
Valve Stem Seal Style
Ring and Band
Rocker Arm Studs Included
Yes
Rocker Arm Nut Thread Size
3/8-24 in.
Rocker Arms Included
No
Rocker Arm Nuts Included
No
Guideplates Included
Yes
Guideplate Pushrod Size
5/16 in.
Accessory Bolt Holes Drilled
Yes
Valve Guides Included
Yes
Valve Guide Material
Cast iron
Valve Seats Machined
Yes
Valve Seat Machine Style
3-angle
Valve Seat Material
Steel
Steam Holes Drilled
No
Oiling Style
Through pushrod
Machined for O-Ring
No
Heat Crossover
No
Quantity
Sold individually.
Notes
Designed for hydraulic roller camshafts.




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[Walter]

What exactly do you want to know?

[bangingears]

yep they bolt right on, except for the rockers are the stud type.

[1992MustangDW]

Ok cool

[331TwistedWedge]

junk! ... sell them and get some gt40's ... take the change and start a bank account ... :lol:

im allowed to dog these heads, i had a set 14-15 years ago ...

[satan jamez]

I had a pair too and if I did it again i'd go a different route.

The bolt holes for the head bolts are larger and will need a spacer to fill the gap of the smaller bolt size on a 302 block. You can get them from summit.

[1992MustangDW]

They are real cheap I will keep lookinh

[bangingears]

junk! ... sell them and get some gt40's ... take the change and start a bank account ... :lol:

im allowed to dog these heads, i had a set 14-15 years ago ...

these are far from junk :rolleyes: come with better valves and springs then gt40's, by the time you you spend money on valves, valve job, springs, retainers and keepers, you will have more in a set of gt40's and never get your money back out of. The darts flow better, make more power then gt40's. I went 11.80's on stock short block, and 10.60's on 100 shot 10 years ago.

GT40's are OK heads.....thats it..... For any "real" performance application they take a ton of work. Machining guides smaller, machining spring pockets larger, machining for stud rockers, new valves to get installed height the same and so you can run good springs and not pulling the head of the valves off. Then even when ported, they go what???? 220 cfm and a port thats noisey and stalls at .600''

[mustang8998]

The Windsor Jr's, have two different header bolt hole locations, as well. That gives you more header choices.

All in all, I'd choose the Windsors.

[1992MustangDW]

I got some for 250, guess I will try them

[mrstang-gt-46]

bangingears, i agree with u 100%. good bang 4 the buck. got to be mechanic to make any combo work good. 92mustangdw did u get a set of w/j 4 $100?

[mrstang-gt-46]

sorry $250???

[331TwistedWedge]

these are far from junk :rolleyes: come with better valves and springs then gt40's, by the time you you spend money on valves, valve job, springs, retainers and keepers, you will have more in a set of gt40's and never get your money back out of. The darts flow better, make more power then gt40's. I went 11.80's on stock short block, and 10.60's on 100 shot 10 years ago.

GT40's are OK heads.....thats it..... For any "real" performance application they take a ton of work. Machining guides smaller, machining spring pockets larger, machining for stud rockers, new valves to get installed height the same and so you can run good springs and not pulling the head of the valves off. Then even when ported, they go what???? 220 cfm and a port thats noisey and stalls at .600''

the average flow numbers of these heads are not even close to a stock set of gt40p's ... if im wrong, then this guys flow chart is way off ... if you went 11.80's with these heads, you had a PERFECT setup and used all the tricks out of the bag ...

ive seen p headed motors in the deep 11's ... a few guys on here are hitting 11.70's ...

ok, let me rephrase that ... they may not be junk, but are comparible to a $150 set p heads ... my windsor jr's were $850 new back in the late 90's ...

[331TwistedWedge]

bangingears, i agree with u 100%. good bang 4 the buck. got to be mechanic to make any combo work good. 92mustangdw did u get a set of w/j 4 $100?

im light years ahead from where i was (knowledge wise) when i had those heads, but they are still door stops if you ask me ...

[mrstang-gt-46]

didnt ask u dick head

[331TwistedWedge]

didnt ask u dick head

hug my root! :lol: ... go get that damn hip fixed, so you can come out and race again ... :D :bigthumb

[1992MustangDW]

O damn lol. yes I did get some for 250, you guys said they was junk and my buddy wanted the heads so I sold them.

[mustang8998]

the average flow numbers of these heads are not even close to a stock set of gt40p's ... if im wrong, then this guys flow chart is way off ... if you went 11.80's with these heads, you had a PERFECT setup and used all the tricks out of the bag ...

ive seen p headed motors in the deep 11's ... a few guys on here are hitting 11.70's ...

ok, let me rephrase that ... they may not be junk, but are comparible to a $150 set p heads ... my windsor jr's were $850 new back in the late 90's ...

The best numbers I could find, are as follows:

W/J - 254 intake/176 exhaust.

GT40P - 200 intake/141 exhaust.

DW, should have researched it, some more.

[1992MustangDW]

I tried to look up everything I could, i dont know what will bolt on what wont.
I have 1 k to spend and would like to find something soon. can someone point me in the right direction?

[stocknotch]

you should be able to buy any used set of aluminum heads you want for 1000.

[331TwistedWedge]

The best numbers I could find, are as follows:

W/J - 254 intake/176 exhaust.

GT40P - 200 intake/141 exhaust.

DW, should have researched it, some more.

windsor jr's dont flow no damn 254 on the intake side :lol: ... my trick flows barely flow 250 and i picked up over 50hp ...

another thing you dont want to look at are peak flow numbers ... you better look at .200-.300-.400" if anything ... its about a flow average ...

dont read what world products advertises, its all smoke and mirrors ...

here are some more accurate numbers from MM&FF

windsor Jrs ...

lift cfm's

.100 63
.200 118
.300 162
.400 185
.500 199
.600 210

and piss on these flow numbers ... these heads have a 180cc intake runner and a 64cc exhaust port ... 1 too big and 1 too small ... its a poor design ... period ... if bangingears truly ran that number, hes the first that ive ever seen do so ... the car must have been 2400lbs ...

[331TwistedWedge]

I tried to look up everything I could, i dont know what will bolt on what wont.
I have 1 k to spend and would like to find something soon. can someone point me in the right direction?

go find a set of used afr 165's if you have a grand to spend ...

what are you wanting to run? ... how fast? ... street/strip car? ... 302/306? ...

if you just want some 12's, you can do that with UNPORTED, gt40p's ... you wont even need springs ... curt (12seclx) dropped a gt40p combo down in his coupe and went 12.30-12.40's ... no springs, no porting, nothing .... stock cam, stock stamped rockers ...

[12seclx]

go find a set of used afr 165's if you have a grand to spend ...

what are you wanting to run? ... how fast? ... street/strip car? ... 302/306? ...

if you just want some 12's, you can do that with UNPORTED, gt40p's ... you wont even need springs ... curt (12seclx) dropped a gt40p combo down in his coupe and went 12.30-12.40's ... no springs, no porting, nothing .... stock cam, stock stamped rockers ...

close rick,, ended up going 12.13 and 12.15 with that stock cam/spring/rocker set-up... on a 1.60 sixty..(damn 4 yr. old M/T tires, sidewalls were collapsin' on launch..).. Nov, 10, 2007!!! (Seems like a century ago...) :D....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT7GBfYn23s&feature=related... (Sweet Momma, listen to them big shifts....LOL!)

Too often we get tricked into thinking that the cylinder head is the reason why the car won't run a digit..... ;)

[1992MustangDW]

yeah and we all know curt is a b-a driver.
Im trying to close a deal on some trickflow heads.

[1992MustangDW]

Just bought these.
complete Trick Flow twisted Wedge heads for sale. These are SBF heads, they have been ported to flow ~280/200 and have been angle milled make the combustion chambers 48cc. They come fully assembled with Manly valves, comp 600 lift springs, titanium retainers, guide plates and harland sharp 1.6 (twisted wedge specific) 7/16 stud mount rockers.

My compression with these heads was a little under 12:1 with a mild built 302. Was a fun motor but heads were too big. 2.02/1.60 valves, these before porting had a 170cc intake runner.

[bangingears]

go find a set of used afr 165's if you have a grand to spend ...

what are you wanting to run? ... how fast? ... street/strip car? ... 302/306? ...

if you just want some 12's, you can do that with UNPORTED, gt40p's ... you wont even need springs ... curt (12seclx) dropped a gt40p combo down in his coupe and went 12.30-12.40's ... no springs, no porting, nothing .... stock cam, stock stamped rockers ...



I was running a set of p's in 97, went 12.40's with a bone stock engine/ stock cam at 3200 lbs in 2000. Also made 650 rwhp with p's, decent heads for the money. I know curtis went low 12's also, He called me for monthes after his 331 took a $hit getting the skinney on these explorer engines. I have been tickering with them for a pretty low time. A buddy of mine went 11 teens N/A with a stock of unported p's. If I had a set of JR's laying around I would run them, I had 5 sets of them through the years and all were the 58cc versions.

[331TwistedWedge]

I was running a set of p's in 97, went 12.40's with a bone stock engine/ stock cam at 3200 lbs in 2000. Also made 650 rwhp with p's, decent heads for the money. I know curtis went low 12's also, He called me for monthes after his 331 took a $hit getting the skinney on these explorer engines. I have been tickering with them for a pretty low time. A buddy of mine went 11 teens N/A with a stock of unported p's. If I had a set of JR's laying around I would run them, I had 5 sets of them through the years and all were the 58cc versions.

i owned a set in my early 20's, there wasnt much out back then ... now im 36, i could do much better these days ... def light years from being the kid i was ... tim duncan helped me piece togther a windsor jr set up ... systemax intake and a stock cam ... 1.6 roller rockers ... best mph 104, best et 12.98 ... my stock e7te set up pulled better mph (105) than the windsors ... thats why i called them junk ...


heres one more story for ya ...

a friend of mine ran a 306, ported windsor jr's, custom cam, 1.6 rockers and almost 11:1 compression ... an engine builder put this together and it went high 12's, low 13s behind a built aod ... forgot the stall ... i have yet to see a windsor jr combo do anything ... another reason i called them junk ...

ive seen 2 other guys fail to make it out of the 13s with this combo ... i know its been years ago since we all played with that combo, but shit ive done better with ported e7's ...

ive felt the power of a nicely thought out gt40p combo ... yes its work to sit and port everything, but for the $$$ ~ its hard to beat ...

[12seclx]

I was running a set of p's in 97, went 12.40's with a bone stock engine/ stock cam at 3200 lbs in 2000. Also made 650 rwhp with p's, decent heads for the money. I know curtis went low 12's also, He called me for monthes after his 331 took a $hit getting the skinney on these explorer engines. I have been tickering with them for a pretty low time. A buddy of mine went 11 teens N/A with a stock of unported p's. If I had a set of JR's laying around I would run them, I had 5 sets of them through the years and all were the 58cc versions.

11 teens N/A... ok, what camshaft and intake manifold was being utulized...?:lol:.........:tongue2:... Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions back then....

[bangingears]

i told you I have the cam out of it....... Its under .500'' :tongue2: and a stealth intake and 650 holley

[12seclx]

i told you I have the cam out of it....... Its under .500'' :tongue2: and a stealth intake and 650 holley

Very interested in the cam... give me a call sometime... in the next couple of weeks... I need to do something to get these big ported head guys off my bumper... :lol:

[331TwistedWedge]

Very interested in the cam... give me a call sometime... in the next couple of weeks... I need to do something to get these big ported head guys off my bumper... :lol:

i got shawns car out yesterday ... 3 months waiting ... i dont know if its because i havent raced since october and havent been in anything fast in a few, but im VERY impressed with the mountaineer motor ... your talking about a car that probably still weighs close to 3700 lbs after the ac / smog and new brackets ...

i cant wait to dyno this thing ... midrange in these motors is unbelievable ... i swear i think this thing out pulls my car from 2500-4000 ... def 12's, just dont know how deep ... the stage 1 cam feels like a stocker ...

[2Kblacksleeper]

331,
Can you please tell me a few details about the build?
I've got a 95gt that I want to put another motor in later this year with the same cam.
Is it a regular gt40 heads and intake or a P motor? What size injectors, maf, or anything special did you change?

I thank you for your time and you can PM the info if you would like. Maybe even a cost to do it for me?

Thanks again.

John

[331TwistedWedge]

331,
Can you please tell me a few details about the build?
I've got a 95gt that I want to put another motor in later this year with the same cam.
Is it a regular gt40 heads and intake or a P motor? What size injectors, maf, or anything special did you change?

I thank you for your time and you can PM the info if you would like. Maybe even a cost to do it for me?

Thanks again.

John

heres a small build thread ... http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60568

19lb injectors should work just fine ... they are p heads ...

your 94-95 computer should be just fine ... this car can idle as low as 650 rpms with no surging ... this combo is unbelievable ... car drives like a stocker, i miss that with my 331 ... should have you some dyno numbers within a week or 2 ... were working on that ... come on over and take a ride, this thing is a tank and still pulls pretty dag on good ... i cant wait for these dyno numbers, its killing me not to know ... lol ...

another thing ... car has 12* of timing and too much fuel (46lbs) ... i had the throttle body apart, so no telling where the tps is set ... cant wait to feel the car on dry roads with 16-17* timing and less fuel pressure ... i would also like to feel this engine in a 3000lb coupe :bigthumb

[1992MustangDW]

He also did a TON of porting on that stuff.

[2Kblacksleeper]

Sorry i some how missed the build. I work retail, but i would like to catch up with you to take that ride along. To see what its like.:rockon::rockon:

I'm basically stuck with my Jeep as a dd for the next 2 years so id like to make my 95GT more fun. I've done alot of suspension work so far. Its time to move on to the motor.

Thanks again for the info.

John

[95redstang]

He also did a TON of porting on that stuff.

there is not a ton of porting on this engine. the heads have been barely touched... the lower has been slightly ported..

[12seclx]

there is not a ton of porting on this engine. the heads have been barely touched... the lower has been slightly ported..

Chyea right! I seen all the shavings he had to sweep off the floor...;)

JFWY!:)

[331TwistedWedge]

Chyea right! I seen all the shavings he had to sweep off the floor...;)

JFWY!:)

lol ... i wont lie, i worked hard on this stuff ... it needs another 40 hours or so to finish them up the right way ... i didnt touch one runner, intake or exhaust ... with the way you run, i believe they dont have to be ported ... it was enough work to blend the bowl area and unshroud the valves, porting those runners was the last thing i wanted to do after that, lol ...

it feels good and im excited with the way it pulls ... we will find out thursday how good it does ... wish me luck ...

[1992MustangDW]

lol ... i wont lie, i worked hard on this stuff ... it needs another 40 hours or so to finish them up the right way ... i didnt touch one runner, intake or exhaust ... with the way you run, i believe they dont have to be ported ... it was enough work to blend the bowl area and unshroud the valves, porting those runners was the last thing i wanted to do after that, lol ...

it feels good and im excited with the way it pulls ... we will find out thursday how good it does ... wish me luck ...

Hmm sounds like porting to me.

[331TwistedWedge]

Hmm sounds like porting to me.

porting is making the intake and exhaust runners LARGER ... i did what is called bowl blending ... removing the valve guides and unshrouding valves ... if this was my own build, i would have definitely ported those heads ...

theres a huge difference in blending and porting ... about 40-50 hours difference too ...

if it makes you feel better to say they are ported, then go ahead :lol:

[1992MustangDW]

Not going to get nuts for a basic build thread, but here are some details and a few pics ...

1995 5.0 vert ...

Engine:

302 Mountaineer Long Block (7754 Miles) Thats right, 7754 miles ... drove to toledo to pick this up ... $425.00
Ported P-heads ... roughly 40 hours of work ...
Trick Flow Valve Spring Upgrade Kit ...
Explorer/Mountaineer Intake ... roughly 10 hours of port work ...
Trick Flow Stage 1 cam ...
Ford Motorsport 1.6 Roller Rockers ...
70MM Throttle body ...
Ported '94-'95 elbow ...

Exhaust:

1 5/8" BBK Unequal Length Headers ...
BBK X-Pipe ...
Mac Catback ...

Very minor suspension upgrades, upper / lowers, mac springs & subframes ... Brand new Weld prostars will be going on it ... 15x3.5 & 15x10's ...
Plan on using the stock 19lb injectors with a 255lph fuel pump ...

Tranny is a Tremec 3550 ........

Very basic build, shooting for 280-285 on md's dyno ...

Read the part in your motor set up, clearly says porting. Not trying to pick a fight but you said it.

[331TwistedWedge]

Read the part in your motor set up, clearly says porting. Not trying to pick a fight but you said it.

ok that maybe should have read, "cleaned up the heads" ... hows that? ... the intake is ported, the upper intake was opened up in spots, the edelbrock elbow was port matched as well as the tb ...

i dont know why im defending myself, it really doesnt matter ... i know i worked hard on this combo and i hope it rips on the dyno ... very simple and cheap build, just some elbow grease to help it along ...

i have a 1000 pics on my laptop of this build, if you find just 1 with the runners ported, i will do your build :bigthumb

i didnt even remove the pushrod bulge in the intake runners ... thats good for flow numbers at every inch of lift ... probably wouldnt have been 4-5 hours of work, but again ~ it was shawns build and i did enough ...