Wanting some handgun advice

[Black Horse]

I'm looking for a decent sidearm. Looking more for a concealed carry weapon but it doesn't have to be a super-compact.

Would like to have something in .45 caliber
Would prefer built in laser sighting

Let me know what you guys recommend!

(Note: I am NOT soliciting to buy one on this site, rather to receive some suggestions and feedback )

[306Power]

Have you checked out the Springfield XD .45 ACP? It can hold 14 rounds, thanks to the smaller ACP .45 round. I've heard nothing but good things about it as a CCW gun. I think most shops have them going for around 500-600 bucks. Here's a link straight to Springfield's website of it.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=1

[tcorns]

personally i carry a glock 19 and am looking to change. my 19 carries decent and there are tons of holsters and accessories for it. my thinking on the upcoming change is this... say i have to defend myself or my family on the street. i can honestly say that i would never see my firearm again. even if i was found to be in the right i don't think the firearm would surface from the police. so if i got something that was cheap, i would not be out alot of cash.

trev

[cstreu1026]

You might want to check out the Smith and Wesson M&P series. I have a compact .40 that I like a lot. I don't think the compact comes in .45ACP though.

[BIGHONKEY]

Yo yo, I want a Lasered up fo five! :D

Seriously if you really want to protect yourself get a revolver such as what I carry is a Smith and Wesson 642. No exposed hammer to get caught on your pocket/clothes. No jams. Nothing to do but pull the trigger and blow out peoples back with a hollow 38 special+p round. The only laser sight that would be worth a damn would be the one where when you squeeze the grip it comes on. Who has time to fool with safties let alone lasers. Just my opinion. Cost me about $350-380 I belive.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/smith_642.jpg

[ibstrokin]

I carry an lcp, which means that I CARRY my lcp. Many guys buy hand cannons and leave them at home. So small and light for me is a nice thing. I also have a 3" xd 9mm, which is great, but usually only gets carried when I'm dressed bulky. I'm thinking about getting a Kahr cw40 as another option. Crimson Trace makes laser grips for many different guns, you may want to check what they have to offer.

Good luck in your search, there are a lot of great options out there.

[ibstrokin]

Yo yo, I want a Lasered up fo five! :D

Seriously if you really want to protect yourself get a revolver such as what I carry is a Smith and Wesson 642. No exposed hammer to get caught on your pocket/clothes. No jams. Nothing to do but pull the trigger and blow out peoples back with a hollow 38 special+p round. The only laser sight that would be worth a damn would be the one where when you squeeze the grip it comes on. Who has time to fool with safties let alone lasers. Just my opinion. Cost me about $350-380 I belive.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/smith_642.jpg

Great option, the Ruger LCR is very similar and can be bought with a built in Crimson Trace laser, I believe they are in the $650 range w/a laser, $425 range w/out.

[Black Horse]

Here are a few of my reasonings that will have to fit my choices.

#1 - It has to be .45 - 9mm only punches holes, I want something that will stop someone from moving forward plus my other favorite sidearm is a 1911 copy. Like having common ammo

#2 - the quick targeting of a laser allows for faster sighting. The safety/laser actuation does scare me, for the split second to acuate I can make up by placing the red spot on the target. Besides, nothing like a red dot to say you mean business. Quick use and accuracy is only captured by practice, practice, practice.

[Walter]

Here are a few of my reasonings that will have to fit my choices.

#1 - It has to be .45 - 9mm only punches holes, I want something that will stop someone from moving forward plus my other favorite sidearm is a 1911 copy. Like having common ammo

#2 - the quick targeting of a laser allows for faster sighting. The safety/laser actuation does scare me, for the split second to acuate I can make up by placing the red spot on the target. Besides, nothing like a red dot to say you mean business. Quick use and accuracy is only captured by practice, practice, practice.

A 9mm Hydra-shok to the chest would stop you, I guarantee it.

[ibstrokin]

here you go, problem solved.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=151291490

[mstine2]

I really like the Smith and Wesson M&P series I own the full size 9mm version and have never had one round jam. They make there compact version of these in just about every round and even you guessed it .45. They are a great gun and what makes them really nice is the innerchanging grips so you pick the one that fits your hand the best. Also the crimson trace laser grip is available for these as well. Here is a link to it on buds gun shop.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/54589

[mstine2]

here you go, problem solved.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=151291490

That's one BMF right there. Good price as well.

[87stangbbb]

glock or s&w m&p

[Timido]

http://vanceoutdoors.com/flyer/flyer.pdf Good prices but a drive from us. I like Afield near Edgewater http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=afield+sporting+goods+cincinnati&fb=1&gl=us&hq=afield+sporting+goods&hnear=cincinnati&cid=13947249640826485450

[Rich]

#1 - It has to be .45 - 9mm only punches holes, I want something that will stop someone from moving forward




Shot placement is key!

[DeckerEnt]

If you want to spend some coin, go with a Kimber. They are really good 1911 style pistols. They also offer the crimson trace laser grips as well. And of course, most 1911s are in that big old .45!!! Kimber has many different styles, options, barrel lengths, if I was going to drop a grand or more on a carry pistol, that would be it.
My current carry pistol is a Thaurus pt 145. Composite frame, .45, 3 inch barrel, 10+1. I can move a 10 pound propane tank at about 25 yards or so.
As far as ammo goes, Hollow points and the heavier the better no matter which caliber you choose!!

[RIXXX93GT]

If you want to spend some coin, go with a Kimber. They are really good 1911 style pistols. They also offer the crimson trace laser grips as well. And of course, most 1911s are in that big old .45!!! Kimber has many different styles, options, barrel lengths, if I was going to drop a grand or more on a carry pistol, that would be it.
My current carry pistol is a Thaurus pt 145. Composite frame, .45, 3 inch barrel, 10+1. I can move a 10 pound propane tank at about 25 yards or so.
As far as ammo goes, Hollow points and the heavier the better no matter which caliber you choose!!


http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52980
I love my Kimber Ultra CDPII with Hornaday hollow points, easy carry gun, best stock trigger pull I have found.

[87stangbbb]

40 cal

[MWoods26]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Horse

#1 - It has to be .45 - 9mm only punches holes, I want something that will stop someone from moving forward

Shot placement is key!

Unless you carry this! dont care where I place my shot, your done moving foward! weighs more than my attack dog:lol:

[Camaro86SHOCKER]

i carry a .45 as well and i agree i would never carry a 9mm
9mm anything doesnt compare to being hit by a .45 hollowpoint. Your dead period.

The problem with carrying a revolver is that you have 6 shots, thats it. No one that ever got into a gun fight or shootout ever wished they had less bullets so carry the most ammuntion you can, However a revolver is almost always dead on reliable and easy to maintain and use if your not a gun nut. You sacrifice a little bit of carryling load by having a .45 over a 9mm but you also have alot more stopping power.

I carry a Taurus pt 145 millenium pro, its a compact gun, shoots great, holds 10+1, i also have this gun in tactical form but this is the one i carry. its relatively inexpensive around the $350 range.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/Camaro86SHOCKER/taurus.jpg

I also have a springfield xd .45 compact its a great gun but runs about $500-$650 and honestly doesnt shoot much better than my Taurus it just has a few nicer components and it's much easier to break down for cleaning.

[Camaro86SHOCKER]

btw Teal93svt,
thats a sharp looking desert eagle. Heres our Desert Eagle. Now we would never have went out a paid new price for a "james bond" or "gangsta" looking gun like this but i think its neat as hell and my uncle used to own a pawn shop so we couldn't pass up the deal we got on it and it had never been fired when he took it in. Also agreed that if you get hit with this thing your not going anywhere, its a freaking cannon. Makes my damn shoulder sore to shoot it.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/Camaro86SHOCKER/IMG00175.jpg

[cstreu1026]

If you don't mind a 1911 for a carry piece (I've never felt comfortable carrying cocked and locked) you might want to check out the Para Ordnance Wart Hawg and Nite Hawg.

[Pops Fun]

Hi
My friend I fear you are going about this totally WRONG.

You have to pick a weapon that fits you.. Spend time at some shops or with friends at a range and shoot some guns and fine that one that feels good in your hand.
I have a Para 1911 .45 and love it but don't carry it. Lots of people do though. I like carrying my MP9c and carry all the time. It is light being mostly plastic. They make a mp45c so take a look at that. I have a CTC laser (http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/Products/tabid/55/Default.aspx) on it ... replaces the grip and comes on when the gun is in your hand.. Nice.

I would be more that happy to spend some range time with you but dont have a compact .45 or .40 mostly 9mm hole punchers :lol: .

Handle a bunch of weapons and fine one that fits your hand.

Steve

[Pitbull1052]

Here are a few of my reasonings that will have to fit my choices.

#1 - It has to be .45 - 9mm only punches holes, I want something that will stop someone from moving forward plus my other favorite sidearm is a 1911 copy. Like having common ammo

#2 - the quick targeting of a laser allows for faster sighting. The safety/laser actuation does scare me, for the split second to acuate I can make up by placing the red spot on the target. Besides, nothing like a red dot to say you mean business. Quick use and accuracy is only captured by practice, practice, practice.




Black I'm with you on the .45 vs 9mm. I was a gunner on a Bradley Fighting vehicle, and we were issued Baretta 92F's and I've got small hands so the double stack didnt fit my hands well, and I agree the 9mm punches holes, so I turned in my 92F and got a Sig P220 and it is by far one of the finest .45's money can buy that and a Kimber just my opinion....... I know the M&P's are getting hot and seem to be a good value but the Sig is carried by just about all FBI, ATF, Swat, Special Forces, well that and the Kimber.... I do agree with BIGHONKEY a revolver is really the way to go, I'm not sure of the models but they do make some very light alloy .45 revolvers and you can get the crimsontrace laser grips and there's no real activation of it as soon as you grip the back strap of the gun the laser is on.... just my .02

[bolender01]

kimber ultra carry II with crimson trace laser, thats what i carry everyday

[Black Horse]

Thanks for the info......some of you are carrying some fairly hefty side arms. What kind of tactical concealed carry holsters are you using?

[89notch]

I carry a glock 27 .40. Its fits my hand pretty well with the extended magazine. Its light weight and will stop anyone with a .40 hollowpoint. It really comes down to holster for me. I've had 10 different holsters and have finally found a leather one that I love. It carrys high on my hip and is very easy to conceal. I carry most of the time I leave the house. Here is a picture of my setup I carry.

[Buckeye]

God I love the look of the desert eagles. I want one super bad but too much $. I have been looking myself. Thinking of a springfield 1911 in stainless

[cstreu1026]

I have a "loaded" Springfield 1911 and I love it. The Desert Eagle does look cool but it's just too damn big, too damn expensive to buy, and too damn expensive to shoot.

[87stangbbb]

btw Teal93svt,
thats a sharp looking desert eagle. Heres our Desert Eagle. Now we would never have went out a paid new price for a "james bond" or "gangsta" looking gun like this but i think its neat as hell and my uncle used to own a pawn shop so we couldn't pass up the deal we got on it and it had never been fired when he took it in. Also agreed that if you get hit with this thing your not going anywhere, its a freaking cannon. Makes my damn shoulder sore to shoot it.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/Camaro86SHOCKER/IMG00175.jpg
50 cal?

[jdubya]

Check out the Glock 36. It's a newer model in their "slimline" line of products. I have one and carry it all the time.

Glock 36 .45 AUTO (http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols.htm)

[Black92LX]

Well first off the 9mm won't stop someone theory has been debunked time and time again.
Nothing wrong with .45 by any means your reasoning is just off. Saying I want .45 because I already have something in that caliber is the way to go.

As for the laser, don't waste your time or money. Take the time to learn to shoot and you will be better off.

Most self defense shooting incidents happen in under 15 feet, which means in most instance you are shooting from a draw anyway and no never get it up to a full sight acquisition anyway.
Take the time to learn to shoot your guns with and without the sights.

As for your carry piece you want a .45 1911 is the way to go in my personal opinion (other will disagree and that's fine).

As for your holster get yourself a Milt Sparks Versa Max II and a GOOD belt. The belt is actually more important than that of a holster.

[89notch]

Interesting article

http://lifeinthegreatmidwest.blogspot.com/2008/05/stopping-power-considered-9mm-vs-45.html

[Pops Fun]

Interesting article

http://lifeinthegreatmidwest.blogspot.com/2008/05/stopping-power-considered-9mm-vs-45.html

Thanks interesting article...

[306Power]

Good article, I always kind of thought as the 40 S&W round as being the perfect middle as he mentioned also.

[Buckeye]

I have a "loaded" Springfield 1911 and I love it. The Desert Eagle does look cool but it's just too damn big, too damn expensive to buy, and too damn expensive to shoot.

The size and weight is what I love being 6'5'' and 390pds it is the only gun I have felt "at home" when I picked it up also the make it in a .44 and a .357 so that bring ammo down a little

[87stangbbb]

The size and weight is what I love being 6'5'' and 390pds it is the only gun I have felt "at home" when I picked it up also the make it in a .44 and a .357 so that bring ammo down a little
6'5 and 390 pounds nobody's going to f*ck with you. leave the gun at home. lol

[Stolly113]

I shoot a Springfield XD9 i got it during the summer for my birthday. It fits my hands perfectly it has a little bit longer grip for my large hands, but if you don't get an extended clip it fits in smaller hands very well, plus i have never had jamming issues. The best part is that it holds 17 rounds 16 in the clip and 1 in the chamber :)

[ADaughen]

Well first off the 9mm won't stop someone theory has been debunked time and time again.
Nothing wrong with .45 by any means your reasoning is just off. Saying I want .45 because I already have something in that caliber is the way to go.


Agreed.

Dad carries a compact 1911 with 6+1 and another two 8rd reloads.

I have my choice of either M&Pc 9mm or USPc .40S&W. I don't feel under-gunned with either of them. For one, his slide will lock far quicker than mine. Secondly, you are not restricted to NATO FMJ, ball ammo. Open your wallet, find a nice self defense round that feeds and shoots well in your sidearm of choice and carry with it.



As for the laser, don't waste your time or money. Take the time to learn to shoot and you will be better off.



Agreed.

I spent $$$ buying an adapter and laser for my USPc just to find out I was wasting more time looking for where the red dot was rather than putting the front site on target. That money SHOULD have been spent on more trigger time at the range or at any number of pistol courses.

Saying lasers show bad guys you mean business is the same movie nonsense as if the racking of a 12ga will make bad guys poop themselves.

[Camaro86SHOCKER]

50 cal?

Of course, not worth the money otherwise, its expensive as hell to shoot and it will hurt your damn shoulder after a clip or two but damn is it sweet!

[dsmawd350]

I love when people spout off about how a 9mm isnt going to stop someone but a .45 is. Have you been or seen somewhat shot by a 9mm hp and not stop but stop from a .45?


here's a 9mm hp vs .45 hp.

If you think one is going to simply "punch holes" and the other is going to knock them on their ass.....yew r dum




http://www.btfh.net/shoot/images/bullet-test-6/hst.jpg

[JA04GT]

Well if you are looking stopping power my favorite is the tauras judge 3 inch mag. It shoots 410 shotgun shells:bigthumb Try walking through a deer slug or a nice round of buck shot. :flipoff:

[ibstrokin]

[QUOTE=dsmawd350;530957]I love when people spout off about how a 9mm isnt going to stop someone but a .45 is. Have you been or seen somewhat shot by a 9mm hp and not stop but stop from a .45?


here's a 9mm hp vs .45 hp.

If you think one is going to simply "punch holes" and the other is going to knock them on their ass.....yew r dum



I agree with you, but have found that trying to convince people is a waste of my time. So I carry what I want, and let others do the same.

[dsmawd350]

Well if you are looking stopping power my favorite is the tauras judge 3 inch mag. It shoots 410 shotgun shells:bigthumb Try walking through a deer slug or a nice round of buck shot. :flipoff:

more less than desireable advice.....

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

[JA04GT]

more less than desireable advice.....

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

that was good info thanks, the only thing i can say is that they make it in a 3inch mag now and i wonder if that would change the power of it. I have been told that 00buck shot shells has 5 38 caliber bb's.

[dsmawd350]

the new model with the 3'' chamber is getting pretty damn big for concealed carry.

heres the new 3'' in a holster
http://www.hyattgunstore.com/images/T/thumb-1855.jpg

and here's a 2.5'' next to i believe an XD compact (already a little large)

http://forum.gon.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=250404&stc=1&d=1234396620

[Camaro86SHOCKER]

I love when people spout off about how a 9mm isnt going to stop someone but a .45 is. Have you been or seen somewhat shot by a 9mm hp and not stop but stop from a .45?


here's a 9mm hp vs .45 hp.

If you think one is going to simply "punch holes" and the other is going to knock them on their ass.....yew r dum




http://www.btfh.net/shoot/images/bullet-test-6/hst.jpg

Have you ever been shot with either one for your comparison? no? well then its not quite fair for you to ask us the same, If you really think there is no difference then why would law enforcement, military, etc all do testing on this and have found time and time again that the larger bullet IS more effective at stopping someone.

When you pull your gun you can't assume your shooting someone such as yourself a normal logical person, yeah bullets hurt we know this, but you have to assume your shooting a 350 lb guy coming at you full of whiskey and pcp who doesnt give a shit and isnt feeling anything. Still want that 9mm when it becomes between you and him and hes only a few feet away from you with a weapon in his hand? I'd say if your answer is yes then "yew r dum".

To me unless your practicing why not have as much bang and stopping power as you can, if i pull my gun it will be to kill not to wound and that little difference in size shown in your picture might just make that difference, it doesnt make logical sense to carry smaller ammunition, its not like a .40 or .45 really cost that much more than a little 9mm, only the ammunition does and in that case just use the 9mm for target practice and carry the larger caliber weapon. Just my .02 but again theres no logical sense on why you would want to carry something that has Less stopping power, regardless of how miniscule the difference.

[Black92LX]

If you really think there is no difference then why would law enforcement, military, etc all do testing on this and have found time and time again that the larger bullet IS more effective at stopping someone.

Because they haven't.
The military used to carry strictly .45acp in a Standard issue 1911, they switched many years ago to the Beretta M9 in 9mm for most of thier standard issue handguns.

As for the police you will find that the majority of departments now carry .40s&w or 9mm.
Some carry .45acp, .357sig, and 10mm amongst some that even carry other rounds.

Size is not the only thing that matters when dealing with being shot.
Ballistics is far more complicated than ohh I have a large projectile it's going to do more damage.

Speed is a very large factor as well.

It may be bigger but it is also SLOWER.

Granted this is not a apples to apples comparison but which will cause more damage an F250 hitting telephone pole going 10 mph or a Toyota Tercel going 50mph and hitting the same pole???
Just because the F250 is bigger does not mean it will do more damage.

[Pitbull1052]

that's right bigger slower = more knock down giving the projectile more time to expand ranther than just ripping through whatever.... do this test... take a 9mm and shoot a plastic pop bottle full or empty doesnt matter full is more fun but either way, then take a .45 and shoot a full one........ the 9mm won't even knock the bottle over because it's traveling to fast, with the .45 it'll explode!!!!!!!! and yes I do know because I spent 18 months in the desert

[DeckerEnt]

Shot placement is key to stopping someone. If you think you are going to just pull the trigger and the guy is going to drop, you may have a rude awakining if you are ever in that situation. You could have the largest bullit available but if you just graze the guy, he will just keep coming. Practice practice and when you think you are good, practice some more. And don't just go to the range and fire for accuracy. Practice your draw from the holster as well. It would really suck if you needed your pistol and it gets caught in a shirt, pants, belt, whatever.

[ADaughen]

Because they haven't.
The military used to carry strictly .45acp in a Standard issue 1911, they switched many years ago to the Beretta M9 in 9mm for most of thier standard issue handguns.


Comparing civilian threats to military don't always work. Comparing shooting data also doesn't work.


Military went to .45ACP because Moro were hopped up on kat and couldn't be put down by a .32ACP. They then went to a 9mm because smaller hands, higher capacity, and because of convenience, 99% of the NATO run 9mm. US SOCOM and Marines have gone back to 8-shot .45ACP 1911s in some instances. IIRC the SEALs are still running their 9mm Sig P226.

Military is restricted to FMJ ball ammo due to the Geneva Conventions. You aren't restricted. Carry and use what you can hit your target with and feel comfortable with. There is no guaranteed one stop shot in a CCW pistol shoot until the threat is ended. Then reload and check for other bad guys.


Now you were on-track with the comparison to the police statistics since they will run a wide assortment of firearms, calibers, and are permitted JHP. Most CCW instructors will suggest to use what the local LEO are using for their defense, as far as actual bullets. Calibers are still a shooter's preference.

[BradleyGT]

I am currently carrying a Springfield XD Service Model 4" 9mm and love it. It holds 16 rounds so I am pretty confident I can make someone stop in their tracks. The gun does seem to be a little bulky and hard to conceal at times. I have been thinking of buying a Kel Tec PF-9. They are light weight and very easy to conceal. It only holds 7 rounds but I have heard nothing but good reviews about them.

[Black92LX]

Comparing civilian threats to military don't always work. Comparing shooting data also doesn't work.


Military went to .45ACP because Moro were hopped up on kat and couldn't be put down by a .32ACP. They then went to a 9mm because smaller hands, higher capacity, and because of convenience, 99% of the NATO run 9mm. US SOCOM and Marines have gone back to 8-shot .45ACP 1911s in some instances. IIRC the SEALs are still running their 9mm Sig P226.

Military is restricted to FMJ ball ammo due to the Geneva Conventions. You aren't restricted. Carry and use what you can hit your target with and feel comfortable with. There is no guaranteed one stop shot in a CCW pistol shoot until the threat is ended. Then reload and check for other bad guys.


Now you were on-track with the comparison to the police statistics since they will run a wide assortment of firearms, calibers, and are permitted JHP. Most CCW instructors will suggest to use what the local LEO are using for their defense, as far as actual bullets. Calibers are still a shooter's preference.

Agreed fully. My comparison was to his comment. No one has proven just because you have a bigger projectile you have more knock down power.

In every example civilian, military, law enforcement. There are so many different variables. You have to find a round that is best suited for the most situations. One does not get to weigh all the variables in the blink of an eye. So you meet somewhere in the middle.

My point is that the 9mm has no stopping power theory is ridiculous!

A simple .22 can and will do more damage as the little thing just bounces all around tearing up everything it touches. Internal .22 shots are nasty.

Why do you think IDF snipers still rely on integrally suppressed Ruger 10/22s for their surgical work?

But again it's all about shot placement.

[Orodi]

"When you pull your gun you can't assume your shooting someone such as yourself a normal logical person, yeah bullets hurt we know this, but you have to assume your shooting a 350 lb guy coming at you full of whiskey and pcp who doesnt give a shit and isnt feeling anything. Still want that 9mm when it becomes between you and him and hes only a few feet away from you with a weapon in his hand? I'd say if your answer is yes then "yew r dum".

To me unless your practicing why not have as much bang and stopping power as you can, if i pull my gun it will be to kill not to wound and that little difference in size shown in your picture might just make that difference, it doesnt make logical sense to carry smaller ammunition, its not like a .40 or .45 really cost that much more than a little 9mm, only the ammunition does and in that case just use the 9mm for target practice and carry the larger caliber weapon. Just my .02 but again theres no logical sense on why you would want to carry something that has Less stopping power, regardless of how miniscule the difference."<---------

You sir have no clue what you are talking about. Secondly a laser isn't going to do shit...what happens when the battery dies? I have shot someone with a 9mm and yes it will for sure put someone down. I forgot about the millions of 350lb drunks high on PCP in ohio. SO what your saying is a small round won't knock someone down I'll bet you a 5.56mm would. The other thing just for future reference 10mm=.40 cal

[Pitbull1052]

"When you pull your gun you can't assume your shooting someone such as yourself a normal logical person, yeah bullets hurt we know this, but you have to assume your shooting a 350 lb guy coming at you full of whiskey and pcp who doesnt give a shit and isnt feeling anything. Still want that 9mm when it becomes between you and him and hes only a few feet away from you with a weapon in his hand? I'd say if your answer is yes then "yew r dum".

To me unless your practicing why not have as much bang and stopping power as you can, if i pull my gun it will be to kill not to wound and that little difference in size shown in your picture might just make that difference, it doesnt make logical sense to carry smaller ammunition, its not like a .40 or .45 really cost that much more than a little 9mm, only the ammunition does and in that case just use the 9mm for target practice and carry the larger caliber weapon. Just my .02 but again theres no logical sense on why you would want to carry something that has Less stopping power, regardless of how miniscule the difference."<---------

You sir have no clue what you are talking about. Secondly a laser isn't going to do shit...what happens when the battery dies? I have shot someone with a 9mm and yes it will for sure put someone down. I forgot about the millions of 350lb drunks high on PCP in ohio. SO what your saying is a small round won't knock someone down I'll bet you a 5.56mm would. The other thing just for future reference 10mm=.40 cal



I second that one! the only thing I'll add is that the 5.56 is a tumbling round were as the others arent.....

[1_slo_92]

I found a place here locally last week, all glocks are 499 with 2 clips. Thought it was a good price since my dad just paid 699 for a glock with carrying case and 3 clips. That was the price on the 9mm, 45's and 40's

[Black92LX]

You can call me dumb all you like but I would go to say my weapon has been defensively drawn more times in a week then most will in their life. I have nothing but faith in the .40 I carry. Would gladly trade it for a 9mm and feel just as comfortable.
Don't get me wrong the .45 is a great round but it is by no means the end all of handgun calibers.

You are forgetting a large part of ballistcs and that is speed.
While a 45 may have more mass in it's projectile it travels ar a much slower speed.
The example of weight and velocity comes into play for ballistic just like a car collisin as I breifly explained earlier.

Again just because the projectile is larger does not automattically give it more knock down power. The velocity at which it is travelling actually makes a bigger difference as the velocity adds exponentially in comparison to mass.

[Black92LX]

To the fella whose dad paid 699 for a Glock that is quite possibly the most inflated price for a glock ever

[djom1cincy]

525 for my g27. Finally made it out and fired it a few weeks ago. Was impressed on how accurate it was even about 25 feet out. A little bit tough on the hand with recoil but I like it.

[Black Horse]

Size is not the only thing that matters when dealing with being shot.
Ballistics is far more complicated than ohh I have a large projectile it's going to do more damage.

Speed is a very large factor as well.

It may be bigger but it is also SLOWER.

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BINGO! I really did not start this thread to be a discussion over caliber size....but it is fun to observe the comments.

My reason for selecting the .45 is the mass and slower velocity. Its more likely to stop a approaching target in its tracks and not punch completely thru to harm an unintended target. Great for home defense!

Shoot at a bowling pin with it...a .45 will knock it over while the 9mm will bore a hole or glance off much easier.

[87stangbbb]

I found a place here locally last week, all glocks are 499 with 2 clips. Thought it was a good price since my dad just paid 699 for a glock with carrying case and 3 clips. That was the price on the 9mm, 45's and 40's
with taxes i paid 555 out the door for my g22

[Orodi]

BINGO! I really did not start this thread to be a discussion over caliber size....but it is fun to observe the comments.

My reason for selecting the .45 is the mass and slower velocity. Its more likely to stop a approaching target in its tracks and not punch completely thru to harm an unintended target. Great for home defense!

Shoot at a bowling pin with it...a .45 will knock it over while the 9mm will bore a hole or glance off much easier.

??? They make rounds in all calibers that break apart after hitting the target for your "Innocent bystandard" Secondly uh if you shoot someone with a .45 from 10 feet away it's going to go straight through. You ca what if any situation and fire arm combo all you wan't however if you really need a gun to carry on a day to day basis you might want to think about moving. I have been in combat twice soon to be 3 and I never carry a gun with me at home i have no need to. If someone pulls a gun out on you and you reach for yours gues what you are? Secondly living in ohio very rarely will you encounter someone with a gun that has the balls to actually use it. Most people that talk about how bad ass they are with guns are just talking.

[Mista Bone]

I'll take a 40 S&W over 45 ACP........but would carry 9mm in a compact.

Kimber's are so sexy and sweet to shoot though.

[Black92LX]

??? They make rounds in all calibers that break apart after hitting the target for your "Innocent bystandard" Secondly uh if you shoot someone with a .45 from 10 feet away it's going to go straight through. You ca what if any situation and fire arm combo all you wan't however if you really need a gun to carry on a day to day basis you might want to think about moving. I have been in combat twice soon to be 3 and I never carry a gun with me at home i have no need to. If someone pulls a gun out on you and you reach for yours gues what you are? Secondly living in ohio very rarely will you encounter someone with a gun that has the balls to actually use it. Most people that talk about how bad ass they are with guns are just talking.
All it takes is once and it does not matter where you live there are violent people everywhere.
Personally I carry at least one gun with me at all times. I would rather have it and never need it then need it and not have it.
I don't knock people for not carrying, but anything can happen anywhere at anytime I choose to carry all the time. Even in my own house.

[jdubya]

with taxes i paid 555 out the door for my g22

That's what I paid for my G36 also.

[Orodi]

All it takes is once and it does not matter where you live there are violent people everywhere.
Personally I carry at least one gun with me at all times. I would rather have it and never need it then need it and not have it.
I don't knock people for not carrying, but anything can happen anywhere at anytime I choose to carry all the time. Even in my own house.

Yeah there are dangerous people everywhere home defense and personal defence is going to be a problem no matter where you live however my point was just that most people who try to do something about it usually end up on the wrong end of an already bad situation. I'm not saying its a bad thing to want to protect yourself and your family however you need to keep your wits about you when doing so.

[Black92LX]

Yeah there are dangerous people everywhere home defense and personal defence is going to be a problem no matter where you live however my point was just that most people who try to do something about it usually end up on the wrong end of an already bad situation. I'm not saying its a bad thing to want to protect yourself and your family however you need to keep your wits about you when doing so.

Agreed. But if it's already a bad situation I am going down fighting I am going to make you work for it.

But that's why on top of just carrying a gun. I am a firm believer in one can never have enough training or trigger time.

[1_slo_92]

To the fella whose dad paid 699 for a Glock that is quite possibly the most inflated price for a glock ever

Yes but in his area thats the cheapest price he could get by 150 bucks, sometimes its worth the drive but he wouldn't listen to me untill after he bought it.

[87stangbbb]

bobby i bought my glock in washington court house

[1_slo_92]

Hes down im belfast. Think tradin post didn't have any and was going to take a bit to get one in, town and country is just outrageous on everything from used to new, and he found a shop down there in peebles that did him good on the remington 870 12ga so he went there n got hurt. Ive been going to W.B. Hickok's over on 22&3 towards clarksville. About 12 miles from here, they've got great prices on everything and he's just a small shop that used to be his garage. Hit me up if you ever need anything, rounds ect... i know i went in last week and bought over 200 rounds for various guns (22mag, 12ga, 9mm, walked out with 2 boxes of low brass 6 pellet (winchester), 50 (blazer) 9mm non jacketed rds, 50 hollow point 22 mag rds (ccw), 10, 00 buck shot 9 pellet (winchester), and 10 slugs (winchester) i think i walked out with a 48 dollar bill.

Went to town n country in hillsboro and priced all that and it came to 74 and some change before taxes.

Tried peddlers post in CH but didn't like them on the ammunition prices, i did however get a 12 ga pump off them for a decent price.

[87stangbbb]

yeah i hate peddlers post that guy is such a rip off. i got my glock at bottom dollar its outside of w.c.h.

[djom1cincy]

If your talking the little place right in peebles by ace hardware he is a joke. I stopped in there a few times as I'm working out that way. The guy is real proud if his shop. Looked and he had nothing I needed. Was in there a few weeks ago to check on .40 ammo. Didn't have what I needed. He has a lot of used junk guns though.

[Chris Lazzo]

Anyone have anything good to say about Firestorm 45 acp ? Someone wants to sell me one and don't know much about them.


Chris

[87stangbbb]

no i've never been to peebles