Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '<' in /opt/bitnami/apache2/htdocs/forums/archive/global.php(117) : eval()'d code on line 1
Have You Driven A Ford Lately? [Archive] - StangBangerz Forums

PDA

View Full Version : Have You Driven A Ford Lately?



Greg Seibert
12-12-2008, 04:39 PM
This is a little long, but a must read.

> As I watch the coverage of the fate of the U.S. auto industry, one
> alarming and frustrating fact hits me right between the eyes. The fate
> of our nation's economic survival is in the hands of some congressmen
> who are completely out of touch and act without knowledge of an
> industry that affects almost every person in our nation. The same lack
> of knowledge is shared with many journalists whom are irresponsible
> when influencing the opinion of millions of viewers.
>
> Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama has doomed the industry, calling it a
> dinosaur. No Mr. Shelby, you are the di nosaur, with ideas stuck in the
> '70s, '80s and '90s. You and the uninformed journalist and senators
> that hold onto myths that are not relevant in today's world.
>
> When you say that the Big Three build vehicles nobody wants to buy,
> you must have overlooked that GM outsold Toyota by about 1.2 million
> vehicles in the U.S. and Ford outsold Honda by 850,000 and Nissan by
> 1.2 million in the U.S. GM was the world's No. 1 automaker beating
> Toyota by 3,000 units.
>
> When you claim inferior quality comes from the Big Three, did you
> realize that Chevy makes the Malibu and Ford makes the Fusion that
> were both rated over the Camry and Accord by J.D. Power independent
> survey on initial quality? Did you bother to read the Consumer Report
> that rated Ford on par with good Japanese automakers.
>
> Did you realize Big Three's gas guzzlers include the 33 mpg Malibu
> that beats the Accord. And for '09 Ford introduces the Hybrid Fusion
> whose 39 mpg is the best midsize, beating the Camry Hybrid. Ford's
> Focus beats the Corolla and Chevy's Cobalt beats the Civic.
>
> When you ask how many times are we going to bail them out you must be
> referring to 1980. The only Big Three bailout was Chrysler, who paid
> back $1 billion, plus interest. GM and Ford have never received
> government aid.
>
> When you criticize the Big Three for building so many pickups, surely
> you've noticed the attempts Toyota and Nissan have made spending
> billions to try to get a piece of that pie. Perhaps it bothers you
> that for 31 straight years Ford's F-Series has been the best selling
> vehicle. Ford and GM have dominated this market and when you see the
> new '09 F-150 you'll agree this won't change soon.
>
> Did you realize that both GM and Ford offer more hybrid models than
> Nissan or Honda. Between 2005 and 2007, Ford alone has invested more
> than $22 billion in research and development of technologies such as
> Eco Boost, flex fuel, clean diesel, hybrids, plug in hybrids and
> hydrogen cars.
>
> It's 2008 and the quality of the vehicles coming out of Detroit are
> once again the best in the world.
> Perhaps Sen. Shelby isn't really that blind. Maybe he realizes the
> quality shift to American. Maybe it's the fact that his state of
> Alabama has given so much to land factories from Honda, Hyundai and
> Mercedes Benz that he is more concerned about their continued growth
> than he is about the people of our country Sen. Shelby's disdain for
> "government subsidies" is very hypocritical. In the early '90s he was
> the driving force behind a $253 million incentive package to Mercedes.
> Plus, Alabama agreed to purchase 2,500 vehicles from Mercedes. While
> the bridge loan the B ig Three is requesting will be paid back,
> Alabama's $180,000-plus per job was pure incentive. Sen. Shelby, not
> only are you out of touch, you are a self-serving hypocrite, who is
> prepared to ruin our nation because of lack of knowledge and lack of
> due diligence in making your opinions and decisions.
>
> After 9/11, the Detroit Three and Harley Davidson gave $40
> million-plus emergency vehicles to the recovery efforts. What was
> given to the 9/11 relief effort by the Asian and European Auto
> Manufactures? $0 Nada. Zip!
>
> We live in a world of free trade, world economy and we have not been
> able to produce products as cost efficiently. While the governments of
> other auto producing nations subsidize their automakers, our
> government may be ready to force its demise. While our automakers have
> paid union wages, benefits and legacy debt, our Asian competitors
> employ cheap labor. We are at an extreme disadvantage in production
> cost. Although many UAW concessions begin in 2010, many lawmakers
> think it's not enough.
>
> Some point the blame to corporate management. I would like to speak of
> Ford Motor Co. The company has streamlined by reducing our workforce
> by 51,000 since 2005, closing 17 plants and cutting expenses. Product
> and future product is excellent and the company is focused on one
> Ford. This is a company poised for success . Ford product quality and
> corporate management have improved light years since the nightmare of
> Jacques Nasser. Thank you Alan Mulally and the best auto company
> management team in the business.
>
> The financial collapse caused by the secondary mortgage fiasco and the
> greed of Wall Street has led to a $700 billion bailout of the industry
> that created the problem. AIG spent nearly $1 million on three company
> excursions to lavish resorts and hunting destinations. Paulson is
> saying no to $250 billion foreclosure relief and the whole thing is a
> mess. So when the Big Three ask for 4 percent of that of the $700
> billion, $25 billion to save the country's largest industry, there is
> obviously oppositions. But does it make sense to reward the culprits
> of the problem with $700 billion unconditionally, and ignore the
> victims?
>
> As a Ford dealer, I feel our portion of the $25 billion will never be
> touched and is not necessary. Ford currently has $29 billion of
> liquidity. However, the effect of a bankruptcy by GM will hurt the
> suppliers we all do business with. A Chapter 11 bankruptcy by any
> manufacture would cost retirees their health care and retirements.
> Chances are GM would recover from Chapter 11 with a better business
> plan with much less expense. So who foots the bill if GM or all three
> go Chapter 11? All that extra hea lth care, unemployment, loss of tax
> base and some forgiven debt goes back to the taxpayer, us. With no
> chance of repayment, this would be much worse than a loan with the
> intent of repayment.
>
> So while it is debatable whether a loan or Chapter 11 is better for
> the Big Three, a $25 billion loan is definitely better for the
> taxpayers and the economy of our country.
>
> So I'll end where I began on the quality of the products of Detroit.
> Before you, Mr. or Ms Journalist continue to misinform the American
> public and turn them against one of the great industries that helped
> build this nation, I must ask you one question. Before you, Mr. or
> Madam Congressman vote to end health care and retirement benefits for
> 1 million retirees, eliminate 2.5 million of our nation's jobs, lose
> the technology that will lead us in the future and create an economic
> disaster including hundreds of billions of tax dollars lost, I ask
> this question not in the rhetorical sense. I ask it in the sincere,
> literal way. Can you tell me, have you driven a Ford lately?
>
> Jim Jackson
> Elkins




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com

HDmstng
12-13-2008, 03:25 AM
Interesting, although I heard on the radio today that GM sold as many cars as Toyota did this year or last year (can't remember which). Toyota had a profit of 17 Billion, GM had a loss of 38 billion.

cobrajoe
12-13-2008, 06:29 AM
About time someone tries to set the record straight. I listen to talk radio sometimes coming home in the morning ie: 700 trucking show. It absolutely kills me how much the host AND the callers are so stupid and have their facts completely screwed up. They have bitched more about the bail out for the Big 3 (by which Ford is saying they probably won't need) then they did about AIG and that money was basically handed to them without one damn question asked. I'm glad we printed this tonight!

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081213/BIZ/812130340/1055/NEWS

02mingryGT
12-13-2008, 12:54 PM
Let them go to bankruptcy. How many MORE fools are we going to be bailing out? Another thing for you 2.5 millions jobs lost folks to remember. If GM goes down someone WILL step into the void. Those jobs will just transfer to the new business that replace GM and their suppliers. The demands not going away.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/03/news/economy/automakers_poll/

cobrajoe
12-13-2008, 01:36 PM
Let them go to bankruptcy. How many MORE fools are we going to be bailing out? Another thing for you 2.5 millions jobs lost folks to remember. If GM goes down someone WILL step into the void. Those jobs will just transfer to the new business that replace GM and their suppliers. The demands not going away.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/03/news/economy/automakers_poll/

That's only because they (the politicians) dragged their collective asses doing it. AIG got their money in a blink of a eye compared to what they are making the "Big 3" go thru. Who's gonna "Step in" a foreign company? You do realize that the auto industry along with others would/will convert to building military apparatuses during war time. I'm sorry I don't want a foreign "Interest" building our military equipment when we might be fighting them!

Hatchback kid
12-14-2008, 08:46 PM
Interesting, although I heard on the radio today that GM sold as many cars as Toyota did this year or last year (can't remember which). Toyota had a profit of 17 Billion, GM had a loss of 38 billion.lol do u know why they call Toyotas "imports"? most of them are made in a factory across seas with ppl making 5 bucks a day, if GM moved all there factories over there they would make a lot more money but they cant do that because then everyone will hate them for cutting jobs in America, and BTW this is how i look at it, the big 3 lost money but at least there is something to show for the loss of money meaning the cars they made, AIG lost 250 bil in the blink of an eye and have nothing to show for it

cobrajoe
12-14-2008, 10:03 PM
lol do u know why they call Toyotas "imports"? most of them are made in a factory across seas with ppl making 5 bucks a day, if GM moved all there factories over there they would make a lot more money but they cant do that because then everyone will hate them for cutting jobs in America, and BTW this is how i look at it, the big 3 lost money but at least there is something to show for the loss of money meaning the cars they made, AIG lost 250 bil in the blink of an eye and have nothing to show for it

Amen!

HDmstng
12-14-2008, 10:10 PM
Found this on cars.com as the "Top American Made Cars". A couple of the qualifications are they have to be built here and have over 75% or greater (by cost) of the parts domestically made.

In 2007, GM had 4 out of 10 cars on the list, Toyota had 3 out of those 10, and Ford had 3 out of those 10.

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=ami&story=amMade0707

And an interesting story from CNN.com.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/12/american.cars/index.html?iref=newssearch

".. Looking at a Ford Fusion? It is assembled in Mexico. The Chrysler 300C is assembled in Canada, but its transmission is from Indiana; the brand's V-8 engine is made in Mexico. Engines in the Chevrolet Equinox sport utility vehicle are from China.

On the other hand, Toyota's Camry is comprised 80 percent of parts made in the United States, and 56 percent of Toyota's vehicles sold in the U.S. also are made here, according to Toyota spokeswoman Sona Iliffe-Moon.

The Toyota Sienna and Tundra also have 80 percent of their parts manufactured in the U.S..."

Mista Bone
12-14-2008, 10:14 PM
Like both my current Honda Civics, 91 and 95.

Assembled in Ohio
Transmission and Engine made in Ohio
Armco/AK steel for the body panels

American made by a GLOBAL company, just like GM and Ford are global companies.