Anyone here a cop.

[Ryan218]

anyone on this board a cop or lawyer? if so i have a quick question. :(

[Mista Bone]

Silver Bullet :)

[firestang70]

Gee too bad ole paul can't post here. I am sure he could answer anything for you.

[Ryan218]

Silver Bullet :)

thanks mista bone!!!!!

wreck less opps. i got this because i was going through a parking lot at 20mph in first gear in the 01 GT. which is insanely loud. he comes at me saying i was burning out and going at least 50+ first gear don't even wind out to 50 in the car with the gears it has. its lucky to say 30ish. so it was like 4k then shift and straight into 4th. this was in a school parking lot. and literally. i wasn't doing a thing wrong to get reckless operations. if i should get any ticket the only one i could think of would be noise pollution if you wanted to get technically? i gently accelerated and just wond 1st out. not on it or anything. just to hear it really. he thinks because it was loud that i was "haulin ass" as he put it and said it was the stupidest thing he has ever seen. im pissed because i know what i did and it in no way was reckless. nor stupid. it was simply. i did not shift. also being he wrote the year of the car wrong on the ticket im wondering if it voids the ticket. as well as it being in a parking lot. not sure since it was a school parking lot.

also me and this cop have a history. not like ive ben in trouble with him before just its always something stupid that me and him get involved in. weather it be me being a whitness to something, or like last time. ( he is our school officer ) everytime i drive a new car to school i change every week lol we have to update our parking pass and he always gets pissey with me when i come in to change it.

[95redstang]

Dude I am not a cop. I learned something 2 weeks ago while at court over a bull$hit ticket. The officer changed his story twice when I questioned him. I was still found guilty. In MY opinion you will be found guilty no matter if you did it or not...It's your word against his. Get an opinion from an officer though...

[dawsin94cobra]

take picks of ware it happened,, show them no burn out marks,, then show him if he actually clocked your speed or guessed because of the noise, catch them in a stupid mistake,,, god i hate cops

[Ryan218]

Dude I am not a cop. I learned something 2 weeks ago while at court over a bull$hit ticket. The officer changed his story twice when I questioned him. I was still found guilty. In MY opinion you will be found guilty no matter if you did it or not...It's your word against his. Get an opinion from an officer though...

yeah i know thats what i fear. plus 16...mustang.. your always in the wrong right?


take picks of ware it happened,, show them no burn out marks,, then show him if he actually clocked your speed or guessed because of the noise, catch them in a stupid mistake,,, god i hate cops


i am going to tomm. and yeah. there are NO burnout marks. and he verably said i had to be going atleast 50. so it dont sound like he has it on radar and i so beleive all he is going by is noise! i have no problem with cops. long as they know the facts before the start calling stuff.

he wrote the year of the car down wrong. he wrote 00 and its a 01. would something that simple VOID the ticket?

and it jsut says reckless opps. and nothing else.

[2-8-1]

no, small technicalities like that wont void the ticket.

[dawsin94cobra]

but as the cort will say he has to prove without a shadow of a doubt that he was, but take pics of the parking lot, show how their would be no way to get up to 50, ask him did he guess my speed? or like ware were you stanging when you heard me? things like that to show the judge he is only issuing you think because off what he heard... not what he saw. you could even say something like if he just heard you say like their was a road right their since you didnt see me speed and just heard it could the sound have been from someone on the street? things like that, i have gotten out of pleanty of tickets if you cant tell lol

[Kevin1989]

take picks of ware it happened,, show them no burn out marks,, then show him if he actually clocked your speed or guessed because of the noise, catch them in a stupid mistake,,, god i hate cops

for that statment ted when im 21 and find a LEOs job your Fu*ked:lol:

[DeckerEnt]

Take it to court and question the officer who wrote the ticket. Take pics of the parking lot, have a description of the lot, where you were, where he was, etc etc. Basically you are throwing yourself on the mercy of the judge but if you make a solid enough of a case, the judge may let you off with a warning or dismiss it all together. Bring up some how that your insurance rates will double for the next 10 years. That should help.
Keith

[dawsin94cobra]

for that statment ted when im 21 and find a LEOs job your Fu*ked:lol:

hahah eat shit i showed you how to fix your car lol

[Ryan218]

Take it to court and question the officer who wrote the ticket. Take pics of the parking lot, have a description of the lot, where you were, where he was, etc etc. Basically you are throwing yourself on the mercy of the judge but if you make a solid enough of a case, the judge may let you off with a warning or dismiss it all together. Bring up some how that your insurance rates will double for the next 10 years. That should help.
Keith

wont they be like thats your problem not ours though?

he was a fulling parking lot over. all he say was the rear end of the car and thats why it was so loud. i mean the car is INSANLY loud. just right of the clutch in first people have screamed at me to slow my ass down when im going like 5 mph.

[Black92LX]

You are not being charged with a speeding violation so having a radar reading is a moot point. It is a moot point even on a speeding ticket. One does not have to clock you with Radar or Lazer to write you a speeding ticket.

On your ticket is there a narrative of what the officer says the reckless driving was??

It does not matter what he said to you on the scene it matters what is written on the ticket narrative and what is said in court.

Get a copy of the ticket with his narrative if you do not have one and shoot me a PM.

[Ryan218]

You are not being charged with a speeding violation so having a radar reading is a moot point. It is a moot point even on a speeding ticket. One does not have to clock you with Radar or Lazer to write you a speeding ticket.

On your ticket is there a narrative of what the officer says the reckless driving was??

It does not matter what he said to you on the scene it matters what is written on the ticket narrative and what is said in court.

Get a copy of the ticket with his narrative if you do not have one and shoot me a PM.


ok i will thanks man.

on the ticket. it just says reckless ops. there are boxes for burnout and excessive speed. but nothing is marked. just check marked other and wrote reckless operations. going to go to police station today to get a copy of the report.

[BigBadStang]

Ryan, I'm not a LEO, or Attorney at Law but,
reckless operation of a vehicle is listed under section 4511.20 of the Ohio Revised Code (ORC) and termed "Willful or wanton operation." The definition given is the disregard of the safety of persons or property. Whoever violates this section of the ORC is guilty of a minor misdemeanor. Also falling under reckless operation in OH is driving without being in reasonable control of the vehicle. This too is a minor misdemeanor. Either type of reckless operation has a points assessment of 4 points on an Ohio driver's license.
So given that, it carries 2 times the weight of a common, points assessable moving violation such as speeding (2 points assessed). This violation, if allowed to be instated on your driving record, will have a substantial impact on your insurance rates, possibly to the point where you will not be able to get coverage, or afford to get coverage to drive ANY Mustang. Your rates will skyrocket if this charge goes on your record.

Knowing this, it would most definately be worth looking into fighting this, or at least trying to get it reduced, even if you have to pay attorney fees to get it done.
When I was 16 I received a whopping 10 points in one court visit (fleeing and eluding, reckless op, no operators license, no seat belt, and wanton endangerment). After being serving my 180 day license suspension, my rates soared to $2,100 year (back in 1986) for liabiltiy only, on a 1984 Escort! :eek: Those "high risk"
rates continued until I turned 18.

good luck bro!

[ewalt]

Yeah, at this point, just lawyer up now. This is going to very negatively affect your insurance rates. Also, as someone else said, minor technicalities like writing the wrong year of the car on the ticket matter none in court.

This could end up being a challenging ticket to fight and simply going into court and saying "Judge, I was only winding out first gear and not even in the throttle...." is not going to work.

I'd say your best bet is to try and plead this down with the prosecutor. The higher insurance rates are gonna kill you going forward, get a lawyer now and hope for the best.

[Stangman]

I got 2 speeding tickets and a wreckless opp. this year... and my insurance went down :confused:

I know what you mean though... With my car having dumps, I can go 25mph and people are yelling at me to slow down... so I speed up to the speed limit! :lol:

What some people just don't grasp, is the concept of how you can go a certain speed and keep the car in a lower gear, which obviously makes them loud... they just don't get it!

[Ryan218]

now im scared. :sad:

[facemelter71]

I got a reckless Opp probly back in 02 or something.I was at northgate mall with my Chrome yellow vert and did the same thing you did.I wound out first gear and turned left down into one of the lanes to find a parking spot.I didnt find one so I continued in front of the mall and he swung in front of me and clicked his spotlight on.He got out all pissed off like i choked his favorite cat out with a coat hanger and yelled at me to shut it down.He was going to write me a ticket for,no hood,painted tail lights,no front plate,not wearing seat belt and some other things.Then said I "heard you doing burnouts over there".I looked at him and said dude,your out of your mind.

Anyway,I took it to court and won.

[ewalt]

I would say just plan on lawyering up. Because, he's gonna be cheaper than the higher insurance premiums you're gonna pay for the next 2+ years. Also, another problem is that (I think you're a juvenile?), you're gonna likely get suspended if found guilty. Most underage kids get suspended these days even for excessive speed, wreckless op, you're definitely done.

[02mingryGT]

Is the parking lot private property or is it considered public? Get a lawyer.

And for what it matters, I got a reckless op for getting on the highway and crossing all the way to the high speed lane. Apparently, multiple lane change is reckless op.

Good luck.

[ewalt]

Is the parking lot private property or is it considered public? Get a lawyer.

And for what it matters, I got a reckless op for getting on the highway and crossing all the way to the high speed lane. Apparently, multiple lane change is reckless op.

Good luck.

It doesn't matter, private or public.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4511.201

However, he did not tell us what statue he is actually charged with, in some states (not sure if this is for ohio), the officer can even change the charge prior to court date. In fact, I'm pretty sure just by reason this is allowed, because technically, you're not charged with something until you're in front of a judge. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Either way, private or public, probably isn't going to matter for him.

[Ryan218]

ok so now im pissed. the oficer is saying i was revving my engine and squealing my tires. and his exact words. i was impressed with how the car handled since you wenrt side ways!!!! well no shit becasue the tires never broke traction!!!!!!!!

how do whitness work? a kid in my class im not even friends with him but he said he saw me and that i did none of that. im getting a laywer.

im so pissed becasue all i did was pull out of my spot and no shift.

and he says he estimates my sped at 50+mph. no fucking way!!!!!

[Ryan218]

I would say just plan on lawyering up. Because, he's gonna be cheaper than the higher insurance premiums you're gonna pay for the next 2+ years. Also, another problem is that (I think you're a juvenile?), you're gonna likely get suspended if found guilty. Most underage kids get suspended these days even for excessive speed, wreckless op, you're definitely done.


yeah i know thats why im so pissed becasue if actually deserved this then i would man up to it.


It doesn't matter, private or public.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4511.201

However, he did not tell us what statue he is actually charged with, in some states (not sure if this is for ohio), the officer can even change the charge prior to court date. In fact, I'm pretty sure just by reason this is allowed, because technically, you're not charged with something until you're in front of a judge. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Either way, private or public, probably isn't going to matter for him.


what do you mean? he wrote down a code on the ticket for reckless opps.

[denial]

Reckless op is very bad for a 16 yr old that's for sure. You will probably get you license takin away for a considerable amount of time if charged. I would get a lawyer and try to get it reduced. Also, the officer does not have to have you clocked on radar to give you a speeding ticket. All that matters is what's on his report and your ticket. Get a lawyer, your gonna need one.

[Ryan218]

I got a reckless Opp probly back in 02 or something.I was at northgate mall with my Chrome yellow vert and did the same thing you did.I wound out first gear and turned left down into one of the lanes to find a parking spot.I didnt find one so I continued in front of the mall and he swung in front of me and clicked his spotlight on.He got out all pissed off like i choked his favorite cat out with a coat hanger and yelled at me to shut it down.He was going to write me a ticket for,no hood,painted tail lights,no front plate,not wearing seat belt and some other things.Then said I "heard you doing burnouts over there".I looked at him and said dude,your out of your mind.

Anyway,I took it to court and won.


did you laywer up to? he says i was burning out too. if i was burning out then there would be marks. there are none. taking pics of this be in my favor?


i was nothing be respectful to this officer even when he was yelling at me. i wish i had that on fucking video.

[Ryan218]

and the officer said there is no report? just what he says in court?

[denial]

There has to be a police report. No matter what. He has to write a report so the court would even know wth was going on.

[facemelter71]

I took pics of everything.The car,the pavement where it happened.I took it all to court and showed the judge.I told the judge that it would be pointless for me to do it there.The parking lot was full,people were around and I was just lookin for a spot to park my car and couldnt find one.I didnt feel like shifting my car so I left it in first.I said I was halfway across the parking lot and turned down a lane and couldnt find a spot when the officer pulled in front of me.Its all here say.

Get a lawyer.

[ewalt]

There has to be a police report. No matter what. He has to write a report so the court would even know wth was going on.

There does? I've never heard of such a thing? The citation is the report in a traffic situation.. I thought. Also, Officers are permitted to take notes in a personal note pad and use that in court to refresh their memory.


yeah i know thats why im so pissed becasue if actually deserved this then i would man up to it.

what do you mean? he wrote down a code on the ticket for reckless opps.

What is the code you actually broke? The number...


I took pics of everything.The car,the pavement where it happened.I took it all to court and showed the judge.I told the judge that it would be pointless for me to do it there.The parking lot was full,people were around and I was just lookin for a spot to park my car and couldnt find one.I didnt feel like shifting my car so I left it in first.I said I was halfway across the parking lot and turned down a lane and couldnt find a spot when the officer pulled in front of me.Its all here say.

Get a lawyer.

Cops are considered an expert witness in courts in regards to traffic violations. Its why they are permitted to estimate your speed, visually. It is your word against his, and any judge is going to be inclined to believe an officers word under oath vs. anyone else.

Maybe there is a neutral third party that can at least attest to you not doing an actual burnout? Because if the cop goes to court and say "He was doing a burnout" then you turn around and present a witness (preferably an adult) that say "No, he did not do a burnout" right after the cop testified that you did... well.

Still, if you wanna survive this, and keep your DL, you're just gonna have to go get a lawyer. There is always a chance you can beat this on your own, but the stakes are high.

Wreckless Op is a 4 point violation is ohio.

[Ryan218]

i am going to get a laywer. wheres the best place to get one? im in columbus. all there were were highschool kids out there.

[BigBadStang]

i am going to get a laywer. wheres the best place to get one? im in columbus. all there were were highschool kids out there.
Ask around a little. I know time is of the essence, so the sooner you lawyer up the better. A judge (especially a juvenile court judge) will take the speakings of a lawyer (and a cop too) way more seriously than the word(s) of a 16 year old. It's not right, but it's true. I know when I went to juvenile court for my "excursion" in 1986 in Madison county OH, a minimum 30 day license suspension was mandatory, along with fines and court costs. It's bullshit when people have to spend hard earned money an lawyers to keep from getting hammered in court due to an arrogant cop with an axe to grind.

[facemelter71]

I know that when you head to court and your under age,a parent MUST go with you.Also,on another note that you can use.Goin 50 in first in a pretty high MPH,not gonna happen,if it was second gear you would have hit some one.And how can you do a burnout in a car that HAS TRACTION CONTROL.hehe.:bigthumb.

Even though there is a button for it,how could you know how to turn it off,and unless the cop knows about the button he wont be able to do anything...........Catch my drift.

[Ryan218]

I know that when you head to court and your under age,a parent MUST go with you.Also,on another note that you can use.Goin 50 in first in a pretty high MPH,not gonna happen,if it was second gear you would have hit some one.And how can you do a burnout in a car that HAS TRACTION CONTROL.hehe.:bigthumb.

Even though there is a button for it,how could you know how to turn it off,and unless the cop knows about the button he wont be able to do anything...........Catch my drift.


i was wondering if i could use that to my advantage. and yeah i know. this car has steep gears. it hits limmiter in first at around 35. and yeah i want to ASAP. court date is the 19th...my birthday is the 20th...happy fucking birthday to me huh :(

and yeah. i know for a fact this cop hates me. and i know theres no way to prove that in court but i know for a fact thats why he is being a major dick to me. and also. what are a cops "right" in how they can talk to you. becasue let me tell you. i have never been yelled at by a cop and you can tell he was having a bad day and took it out on me :mad:

[Black92LX]

You have a PM

[BigBadStang]

Update?

[SlowRS]

I dont know if it would work, but if he says he estimated your speed, couldnt you drop a tennis ball from say 6 feet in the air. A simple stop watch would allow youto do an equation to find speed. Most people will not guess the speed right.

i.e. tennis ball takes 1 seconds to hit the ground, that would be about 4 mph. I bet he guesses differently.

Dont know if that would work, but that is a though, unless he tagged you with radar.

[ADaughen]

Update?

He might be grounded from the internets. :eek:


I hope he found a lawyer...


I wonder what would have happened if Ryan had a high revving car like a RX7 or S2000. "I heard his car WOT, he must have been going 150mph in first." :tard:

[Black92LX]

I dont know if it would work, but if he says he estimated your speed, couldnt you drop a tennis ball from say 6 feet in the air. A simple stop watch would allow youto do an equation to find speed. Most people will not guess the speed right.

i.e. tennis ball takes 1 seconds to hit the ground, that would be about 4 mph. I bet he guesses differently.

Dont know if that would work, but that is a though, unless he tagged you with radar.

no that won't work. dropping a tennis ball is not the same as a visual speed estimation of a vehicle.

Officer's are trained in vehicle speed estimation as part of their radar certification.
Even with the radar reading a visual speed estimation is required.

I am still waiting to hear as well. I gave him suggestions as to what I would do in his situation, but haven't heard yet either.

[BigBadStang]

I know in another thread, he had said his court date is now January 15th I think, but he never said if he had gotten an attorney.


...court date for the hearing or whatever is now jan 15th.

[Ryan218]

sorry. yeah court date is the 15th. were in the process of trying to plead it down. its ahuge headache and im past the point of stressed about it :=[

[BigBadStang]

DON'T give up Ryan!

[Mavowar]

I am facing a similar situation. I live in Wallace Woods Covington and there some ritze people down here. Lawyers judges cops......etc..... I have had 3 tickets in less than 45 days. One I deserved. I parked backwards on the street. The Scpnd one I was going 24mph in a 25. Too fast for conditions(it was raining) and third was an estimated 30 in a 25. I was going no more than 26 mph. I pissed of the Neighbor who is a retired judge.in In passing I told him I was not going anywhere now. I was planning on moving but since my license are in jeopardy I need city transport:lol: I have not been harassed since:lol:

My jeep tires are noisy and the exhaust is a tad loud. Big deal......:flipoff:

I know there are lotsa honest cops but there seem to be a barrel full of bad ones down this way. Abuse of power and all that. What's a guy to do....

[Ryan218]

DON'T give up Ryan!

im not, im just stressed. i cant drive the 5.0 :(