McCain Supporters

[NaomiDstangLvr]

I'm still a little up in the air about who to vote for. I mean I'm really against Obama, with his approval of abortion and gay marriage etc. But I've been seeing a lot of commercials about McCain and literature through the mail about him that hasn't been too good. I've seen that he's for sending jobs overseas, protecting oil companies from taxes, voted against clean energy investments. To you guys why should I vote for him? Will he help me as a middle class household?!?

I've also found this website, www.mccainrevealed.com

[PONYGRL]

Did you catch Colin Powell's speech the other night about the election? If not check out this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/colin-powell-endorses-oba_n_135895.html I think he pretty much summed it up for me.... I know what you mean though. I went to a Catholic school and they tried to embed it within us and brainwash us... It is as if the whole gay marriage & abortion thing is the sole issue that they base their decision about who to vote for on (Catholics) and that is what they were trying to convince us to do. Yes, it's horrible and immoral act and Idk how anyone could think that is okay- but America has much bigger fish to fry! Are you more concerned about that.... than losing your job and not having any retirement $$$? For me personally I believe a lot of stuff will suck if Mccain gets elected, for me and a lot of people. I don't get all into politics and it's not worth bickering about, but that's my take. To each their own :)

[NaomiDstangLvr]

I mean I don't know what it is, but I have a terrible feeling about Obama....

[04 Venom]

I mean I don't know what it is, but I have a terrible feeling about Obama....

If that is the case, why vote for him? I wouldn't pay too much attention to other people's reasons why they will vote for Obama or McCain simply because they may have different considerations than you do.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

If Obama is elected, it's not like the whole country is going to turn gay, get married and have an abortion. :lol:

[satan jamez]

If Obama is elected, it's not like the whole country is going to turn gay, get married and have an abortion. :lol:

That's gonna make me laugh the rest of the day :lol:

[chadomac]

:popcorn: :rofl:

[1986GT]

I don't care who someone is voting for as long as I know they did their research. I think listening to the main stream news and ads ONLY is a huge mistake. The main stream media is 100% bias for democrats and the candidates ads exploit and blow up things until they are no longer true. The biggest thing you can do is look at there past. What are they saying they stand for, and what have they done in the past to show that. What experience do they have under their belt. I personally like to listen to 95.7FM for the conservative side of things too. Read books, news papers ect. TV (and certain newspapers) any more are no place for truthful information. We are getting to be like a socialist government (exactly where Barak and the dems want us) where we only see on TV what they want us to see. In my opinion Obama is totally inexperianced in every aspect verses McCain, especially in the feild of war and homeland security. McCain is by no means perfect but he is the lesser of 2 evils in my book. Change isn't always good. I have no respect for someone who can sit in church for 20 years listening to Rev. Rite God Damn America every Sunday and let him marry me and baptise my kids. Someone who also hung around, and is freinds with a terrorist (William Ayers of the weather underground) who bombed the pentagon, new york police headquarters and other govenment buildings and says to this day he regrets none of it. I can't beleive he is even in the running. I will shut up now before I go on and on and piss people off.

[beefcake]

funny thing is, if obama was applying for the job of his own bodyguard, he would be turned down because of his association with terrorists

[1986GT]

:lol: Thats funny. If I was him I wouldn't trust me to protect myself either:lol:. The company someone keeps is a dead give away of there true self.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

I think the thing that's gonna get people is they're so sick of Bush that they'll look to the other side for the answers...even if McCain is the better of the two, they're afraid of "more Bush".

I personally just can't stand it how EVERY election is a situation of voting for the lesser of 2 evils. It was the same thing last election with dipshit Edwards.

[nordi]

I think a lot of the problem is that people fear "more bush" too. However, if you actually sit down and research things over time, the current president is actually taking care of the president before them. That is why in MY OPINION Clinton had an easy presidency due to the fact we had Bush before him. And now Bush Jr. is dealing with Clinton's crap from when he was in office. Solely my opinion, I also don't see how anyone could vote for a person who has been in the senate for roughly 200 days to run the country. Just a few things to think about.

[NaomiDstangLvr]

If Obama is elected, it's not like the whole country is going to turn gay, get married and have an abortion. :lol:

Yeah but since the House is going to be mostly Democrats, they'll agree quickly on bills for abortion, etc.

[NaomiDstangLvr]

I don't care who someone is voting for as long as I know they did their research. I think listening to the main stream news and ads ONLY is a huge mistake. The main stream media is 100% bias for democrats and the candidates ads exploit and blow up things until they are no longer true. The biggest thing you can do is look at there past. What are they saying they stand for, and what have they done in the past to show that. What experience do they have under their belt. I personally like to listen to 95.7FM for the conservative side of things too. Read books, news papers ect. TV (and certain newspapers) any more are no place for truthful information. We are getting to be like a socialist government (exactly where Barak and the dems want us) where we only see on TV what they want us to see. In my opinion Obama is totally inexperianced in every aspect verses McCain, especially in the feild of war and homeland security. McCain is by no means perfect but he is the lesser of 2 evils in my book. Change isn't always good. I have no respect for someone who can sit in church for 20 years listening to Rev. Rite God Damn America every Sunday and let him marry me and baptise my kids. Someone who also hung around, and is freinds with a terrorist (William Ayers of the weather underground) who bombed the pentagon, new york police headquarters and other govenment buildings and says to this day he regrets none of it. I can't beleive he is even in the running. I will shut up now before I go on and on and piss people off.

You haven't pissed me off, thank you for some info.

[NaomiDstangLvr]

I think a lot of the problem is that people fear "more bush" too. However, if you actually sit down and research things over time, the current president is actually taking care of the president before them. That is why in MY OPINION Clinton had an easy presidency due to the fact we had Bush before him. And now Bush Jr. is dealing with Clinton's crap from when he was in office. Solely my opinion, I also don't see how anyone could vote for a person who has been in the senate for roughly 200 days to run the country. Just a few things to think about.

Huh, that's a good point.

[1986GT]

Yeah but since the House is going to be mostly Democrats, they'll agree quickly on bills for abortion, etc.

Good point Naomi. With Barak in and a democratic house, the stars will all be aligned for them. They'll pass every rediculous thing they can think of while they got majority (or POWER by their thinking). And of course nothing will be vetoed.

[Black03SVT]

I don't care who someone is voting for as long as I know they did their research. I think listening to the main stream news and ads ONLY is a huge mistake. The main stream media is 100% bias for democrats and the candidates ads exploit and blow up things until they are no longer true. The biggest thing you can do is look at there past. What are they saying they stand for, and what have they done in the past to show that. What experience do they have under their belt. I personally like to listen to 95.7FM for the conservative side of things too. Read books, news papers ect. TV (and certain newspapers) any more are no place for truthful information. We are getting to be like a socialist government (exactly where Barak and the dems want us) where we only see on TV what they want us to see. In my opinion Obama is totally inexperianced in every aspect verses McCain, especially in the feild of war and homeland security. McCain is by no means perfect but he is the lesser of 2 evils in my book. Change isn't always good. I have no respect for someone who can sit in church for 20 years listening to Rev. Rite God Damn America every Sunday and let him marry me and baptise my kids. Someone who also hung around, and is freinds with a terrorist (William Ayers of the weather underground) who bombed the pentagon, new york police headquarters and other govenment buildings and says to this day he regrets none of it. I can't beleive he is even in the running. I will shut up now before I go on and on and piss people off.

I agree :bigthumb

[k062693w]

I just can't believe that out of 300 million Americans, That this is the best 2 we could come up with ????

[1986GT]

If Obama is elected, it's not like the whole country is going to turn gay, get married and have an abortion. :lol:

Since when can to gay dudes have an abortion. And if gay chicks are having an abortion how did they get pregnant in the first place.;)

[Dirtyd0g]

I just can't believe that out of 300 million Americans, That this is the best 2 we could come up with ????

Politics is nothing more than a popularity contest. We the people should be choosing our candidates not having them chosen for us. I can think of about 15 people I would rather vote for.
With all the Chuck Norris jokes why aren't we electing him? We would end this war by him going over there himself.....

[Mustard]

I just can't believe that out of 300 million Americans, That this is the best 2 we could come up with ????

there were much better options. the media however only covered a select few. The average Joe gets his news form the normal sources. If all he sees is hamberger on tv how is he to know that there is steak out there also? As for an answer to the question from naomi. I like to think of like this. If I were going to have to have a heart transplant I would want the doctor with the most experiance out there. I would not want a guy thats been on the job for 200 days and spent most of of his time trying to get a different job. Experiance counts for a lot in the world we live in today. If we were to be attacked again by one of our enimes I would want McCain at the helm not a limp wristed Liberal!

[Drivermod]

I know what you mean though. I went to a Catholic school and they tried to embed it within us and brainwash us... It is as if the whole gay marriage & abortion thing is the sole issue that they base their decision about who to vote for on (Catholics) and that is what they were trying to convince us to do. Yes, it's horrible and immoral act and Idk how anyone could think that is okay- but America has much bigger fish to fry! Are you more concerned about that.... than losing your job and not having any retirement $$$? For me personally I believe a lot of stuff will suck if Mccain gets elected, for me and a lot of people. I don't get all into politics and it's not worth bickering about, but that's my take. To each their own :)

I went to Catholic schools as well and there was no "brain washing". In fact, I am no longer a practicing Catholic but whe it comes to killing babies I feel their stance is dead on. There is something fundamentally wrong with a society that cannot even agree that killing babies is moraly wrong and just shows how selfish our society has become. So yes, I am more worried about that than my job or retirement. I can always make more money because I applied myself and acquired an education (which I paid for myself) so that I will have marketable skills. Not looking for any government "bail outs" here.

As far as jobs are concerned...Just wait till Obama gets in and taxes the crap out of all our small and large businesses just to he can hand it down to the less fortunate. What is going to happen when they can no longer afford to employ the same # of people? Thats right, they will downsize. The CEO's of the large corporations aren't going to take a hit. Thy have to keep shareholders happy so they will reduce the head count to keep profits growing. Redistribution of wealth doesn't work, it just makes people lazy.

Obama also wants to tax American corporations on all of their international sales. The problem with that is that they have already paid taxes on those sales in the countries in which they were made. This would be double taxation and would not allow us to be competative with competing corporations base outside the U.S. as none of them are double taxed. What do you think the U.S. businesses will do then. They will move outside our borders to avoid it.

I could go on and on...McCain may not have all the right answers, hell he is too liberal for my tastes, but He certainly beats the alternative IMO.

[NaomiDstangLvr]

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[Drivermod]

With all the Chuck Norris jokes why aren't we electing him? We would end this war by him going over there himself.....

I just might write him in:bigthumb

[NaomiDstangLvr]

So I guess I've pretty much made up my mind. I'm going with McCain.

[Mustard]

So I guess I've pretty much made up my mind. I'm going with McCain.

Hell yeah! Now get out there and convince your friends and family to do the same! I have turned a few people away from the obama nation.

[NaomiDstangLvr]

Hell yeah! Now get out there and convince your friends and family to do the same! I have turned a few people away from the obama nation.

I have a friend and my husband who like Obama. But neither one don't count, their not even registered! So hey Chad, you don't count! :lol: But pretty much everyone I know is going for McCain..

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[1986GT]

Hell yeah! Now get out there and convince your friends and family to do the same! I have turned a few people away from the obama nation.

Thats right, we have to spread the truth since the media is spreading the lies. Some people just can't figure it out on:tard: there own.:confused:

[NaomiDstangLvr]

I actually had a guy from the Working America Ohio come to my door today. I was telling him how I was torn between McCain and Obama. He said Obama is more for the working class, tax breaks if you make under 250k and he said McCain wants to start taxing health insurance (which means higher health coverage).

[1986GT]

Lies! Research it yourself once.

[mustang8998]

If I were to do a write in, Chuck Norris would be up there. Then there is "Kill'em and Grill'em" Ted Nugent.

Seriously, I'd like to vote for an independent, but that would be just a vote, for Obama.

[NaomiDstangLvr]

If I were to do a write in, Chuck Norris would be up there. Then there is "Kill'em and Grill'em" Ted Nugent.

Seriously, I'd like to vote for an independent, but that would be just a vote, for Obama.
Why bother voting then?

[mustang8998]

The lesser of two "evils" thing.

[BigBadStang]

Another thing you MUST consider when deciding which candidate to vote for in a presidential election is the appointments of Justices that will sit on the Supreme Court. It is said that whomever is elected will likely appoint 2 new Justices. These 2 Justices can/will have a tremendous effect on rulings/interpretations that are brought before the Supreme Court. So ask yourself if you are more comfortable having at least 2 new Justices that are Liberals, or Conservatives that will ultimately make decisions on issues such as abortion, gun control, gay marriage, and interpretations of the US Constitution.

[mustang8998]

Well put!

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Since when can to gay dudes have an abortion. And if gay chicks are having an abortion how did they get pregnant in the first place.;)


Stranger things have happened...look at the goons who are running :lol:

[Mista Bone]

So if Obama wins, how long till Biden becomes president?

[04 Venom]

So if Obama wins, how long till Biden becomes president?

That's sick.

[04 Venom]

Why bother voting then?

Naomi,

If you are relying upon the comments here to make a decision keep in mind that there is a political correctness on this site favoring McCain. If you want to read articles on both candidates, pro and con, the best single site I have found is this one:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

You can read a wide variety of editorials and opinions and it is the only site the covers all the polls being done nationally and state by state. If you are trying to make up your mind based upon Obama's or McCain's ads, they both distort the other's position. Also keep in mind that like any presidential race, what they promise frequently is forgotten after the election. Regardless of who wins, the day to day impact on your personal life will not be that significant. The economy will take its course regardless of who wins the White House. The President has a much more direct effect on foreign policy than domestic policy.

[1986GT]

Naomi,

The economy will take its course regardless of who wins the White House. The President has a much more direct effect on foreign policy than domestic policy.

Even if this were true and it is not. McCain is still the petter pick because his back ground on foreign policy is huge. Obama has zip,0,nodda on foriegn policy skills or experience for that matter. So you just more or less proved our point. 200 days in the senate half of which spent campaining qualifies him for nothing.

[Drivermod]

The President has a much more direct effect on foreign policy than domestic policy.

Another good reason to vote for McCain.

If we elect this Liberal, Obama, and put him in office with a Liberal Congress and then they apoint a couple of Liberal judges to the Supreme Court, we will see a dramatic shift in domestic policies.:(

[04 Venom]

Even if this were true and it is not.

And the reason for this being false is?

[1986GT]

Another good reason to vote for McCain.

If we elect this Liberal, Obama, and put him in office with a Liberal Congress and then they apoint a couple of Liberal judges to the Supreme Court, we will see a dramatic shift in domestic policies.:(

I thought Drivermod just explained that to you in one sentence.

[04 Venom]

If we elect this Liberal, Obama, and put him in office with a Liberal Congress and then they apoint a couple of Liberal judges to the Supreme Court, we will see a dramatic shift in domestic policies.:(

Probably not.

The two most likely people to retire from the court are Stevens (age 88) and Ginsberg (age 75 and suffering from cancer). Both are considered part of the 4 person "liberal" wing of the court. The "conservative" wing consists of Roberts (53), Alito (57), Thomas (60) and Scalia (72). The so-called "swing" vote (a misnomer actually since he votes with the conservative justices far more than the other group) is Kennedy and he is 72. Scalia certainly is not about to retire and has given interviews stating his expectation that he would be on the court into his 90s. Kennedy has shown no indication of retirement.

[02mingryGT]

Probably not.

The two most likely people to retire from the court are Stevens (age 88) and Ginsberg (age 75 and suffering from cancer). Both are considered part of the 4 person "liberal" wing of the court. The "conservative" wing consists of Roberts (53), Alito (57), Thomas (60) and Scalia (72). The so-called "swing" vote (a misnomer actually since he votes with the conservative justices far more than the other group) is Kennedy and he is 72. Scalia certainly is not about to retire and has given interviews stating his expectation that he would be on the court into his 90s. Kennedy has shown no indication of retirement.

Nice reply 04. They walked into that one. Still though, you are looking at it as one viewpoint. If McCain is elected the court can go from a slight conservative advantage to an overwhelming one for a long time. But in this particular election you are correct.

[Drivermod]

[QUOTE=02mingryGT;416104]If McCain is elected the court can go from a slight conservative advantage to an overwhelming one for a long time. QUOTE]


That would be great but it won't happen with a congress dominated by Liberals.

[04 Venom]

If McCain is elected the court can go from a slight conservative advantage to an overwhelming one for a long time.

:agree: Although I still predict McCain will not win. The race probably will tighten in the popular vote, but he faces a daunting task to win 270 electoral votes with just two weeks left before the election. I believe the Constitution should be amended to abolish the electoral college in favor of the direct election of the President, just like any other federal elected official.

[Waffles]

I still don't understand how people can still be undecided at this point... Either you're a socialist and are willing to allow Obama to purchase you with other people's money or you have some integrity and are willing to stand up and do for yourself.

Why is there so much confusion over this?

[cstreu1026]

Elections in this country have really become a joke. It truly is picking the lesser of two evils. I don't think either one of them is the best one their parties could have put up for election. Quite frankly Obama scares the hell out of me. His Robin Hood act is a damn joke. As much as it sucks to sit by and watch the rich get richer without their money to invest into businesses things will only get worse. I see McCain as being only slightly right of center and unfortunately hasn't done near enough to distance himself from the current administration.

I would love to see a 3, 4, or 5 party system where all have an chance to win so that the American public can have a real choice in the matter. Personally I would have liked to see a Paul/Huckaby or Paul/Thompson ticket for the republican party.

[IWRBB]

It's pretty clear to me. If you work and pay taxes, vote for McCain. If you don't work, but instead take handouts (indirectly) from those who do, vote for Obama.

Obabma's definition of tax cut includes a tax rebate to those that do not even pay taxes.

From here (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html)

"All but the clean car credit would be "refundable," which is Washington-speak for the fact that you can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer -- a federal check -- from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this "welfare," or in George McGovern's 1972 campaign a "Demogrant." Mr. Obama's genius is to call it a tax cut.

[04 Venom]

[QUOTE=Drivermod;416112

That would be great but it won't happen with a congress dominated by Liberals.[/QUOTE]

Again, probably not. You forget that Clarence Thomas was confirmed by the Senate in 1991 even though the Democrats controlled the Senate and he was a very controversial nominee. The Democrats also controlled the Senate on 1/31/06 when Bush's nomination of Alito was confirmed.

During the last 50 years, only 3 nominees were rejected by the Senate. Two occurred while Nixon was President (G. Harold Carswell and Clement Haynesworth) and one during Reagan's term: Robert Bork.

Carswell and Haynesworth were both mediocre judges and were accused of making racially insensitive remarks and decisions (both were from the South and had belonged to clubs that refused to admit blacks to membership). 17 Republican Senators voted against Carswell and 13 vote against Haynesworth. A few years after Carswell was rejected by the Senate, he was arrested and convicted of soliciting sex from a male undercover police officer in a Tallahasee shopping mall.

Bork was a brilliant academician and was a very successful anti-trust attorney. He also authored some very controversial articles that came back to haunt him during his confirmation hearings and he was tainted for following Nixon's orders to fire the Watergate Special Archibald Cox when Nixon's own Attorney General refused the order. At least 6 Republican Senators voted against his nomination.

Your view of the confirmation process is simplistic and not supported by the facts. Since the Supreme Court was created over 200 years ago, only 12 nominees were rejected by the Senate.

[04 Venom]

I still don't understand how people can still be undecided at this point... Either you're a socialist and are willing to allow Obama to purchase you with other people's money or you have some integrity and are willing to stand up and do for yourself.

Why is there so much confusion over this?

Probably because many, probably the majority, of voters don't share your views of the candidates.

[k062693w]

BLAH BLAH BLAH !!!!!!!
The Mud Slinging in here for the candidates is worse then what we're subjected to in the Media!!!!!!
People are entitled to their opinions, And can vote for who they want.. But do you really think that getting on here and bashing one or the other, And posting your own views and feelings is going to sway someones vote??? If someones vote is swayed or changed by posts on a car forum, Then that is part of the reason this country is in the shape it's in.... Again Just my opinion LMAO

Like I said before " It's a shame that out of 300 million, this is the best we have"

[dirtyone55]

Generally, when I talk to people that I have talked to that have had to work hard for what they have today they are generally voting for McCain. The people who have had things handed to them most of the way through life, whether parents giving them money, or living off of our welfare system, they generally seem to be leaning towards Obama. That is just a general observation that I have made, and there must be a reason for that.

I just can not bring myself to vote for somebody who is trying to take my tax dollars and give them to assholes who decide they shouldn't have to work for anything or pay for their healthcare. Just because you are born in america does not mean you have a free ride through life. Obama is going to encourage america to be even more lazy than we already are by making the free handouts even more accessible to the slime balls of this country. On top of that, abortion is just wrong in my book, and he supports it. That is not the reason I would never vote for Obama, but it is just another example of how he does not want people to take responsibility for their actions. (Don't even try to argue about the whole abortion topic because I know that there are certains circumstances where it may be considered ie. when the mothers life is at risk or something along those lines, but that is not the topic of discussion here)

Overall he is just wanting to turn this into a socialist country, and let the slime of the country live off of the hard working citizens, and take away from their dream of living a happy, successful life.

We would not be where we are today if we didn't pamper the scum balls of this country. Get out there, and earn your keep. There have been and still are plenty of jobs out there, but they just decide not to even make an attempt to find something and put some effort towards supporting theirselves.

[Waffles]

Probably because many, probably the majority, of voters don't share your views of the candidates.

They don't have to share my "view" to make it true.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. "

And this is EXACTLY what's happening with Obama.

[NaomiDstangLvr]

It's pretty clear to me. If you work and pay taxes, vote for McCain. If you don't work, but instead take handouts (indirectly) from those who do, vote for Obama.

Obabma's definition of tax cut includes a tax rebate to those that do not even pay taxes.

From here (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html)

"All but the clean car credit would be "refundable," which is Washington-speak for the fact that you can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer -- a federal check -- from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this "welfare," or in George McGovern's 1972 campaign a "Demogrant." Mr. Obama's genius is to call it a tax cut.
Didn't they also last year with the stimulus check? So it wouldn't be much different right?

[Mista Bone]

It's pretty clear to me. If you work and pay taxes, vote for McCain. If you don't work, but instead take handouts (indirectly) from those who do, vote for Obama.

Obabma's definition of tax cut includes a tax rebate to those that do not even pay taxes.

From here (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html)

"All but the clean car credit would be "refundable," which is Washington-speak for the fact that you can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer -- a federal check -- from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this "welfare," or in George McGovern's 1972 campaign a "Demogrant." Mr. Obama's genius is to call it a tax cut.

What do you call the EITC or Earned Income Tax Credit? You can work, not have to pay much if any taxes at years end AND get a credit back. I've benefited from it about three years in the past twenty, but then again payed my fair share of taxes when I was making 40k a year.

[Waffles]

I just can not bring myself to vote for somebody who is trying to take my tax dollars and give them to assholes who decide they shouldn't have to work for anything or pay for their healthcare. Just because you are born in america does not mean you have a free ride through life. Obama is going to encourage america to be even more lazy than we already are by making the free handouts even more accessible to the slime balls of this country. On top of that, abortion is just wrong in my book, and he supports it. That is not the reason I would never vote for Obama, but it is just another example of how he does not want people to take responsibility for their actions. (Don't even try to argue about the whole abortion topic because I know that there are certains circumstances where it may be considered ie. when the mothers life is at risk or something along those lines, but that is not the topic of discussion here)

Overall he is just wanting to turn this into a socialist country, and let the slime of the country live off of the hard working citizens, and take away from their dream of living a happy, successful life.

We would not be where we are today if we didn't pamper the scum balls of this country. Get out there, and earn your keep. There have been and still are plenty of jobs out there, but they just decide not to even make an attempt to find something and put some effort towards supporting theirselves.

Imagine now that instead of taking YOUR tax dollars, he's going to take tax dollars from the guy above you and give it to you. That's essentially what Obama is promising with this ridiculous "95 percent" crap. He's including people who have never been included before, and narrowing the "opposition" down to a mere 5% of the population. I'm surprised he doesn't have 95% of the vote honestly. There is something inherently wrong when 95% of the population can vote for the other 5% to pay for everything. Like I said before, it's really a matter of integrity for those people to vote against getting a handout at someone elses expense.

If that's not enough, when the people realize that these "top 5%" promises are empty because that simply won't pay for all of Obama's proposed spending and he imposes tax increases on the middle class as well... every one of those freeloaders that voted for him will deserve the increase they get.

[Drivermod]

Again, probably not. You forget that Clarence Thomas was confirmed by the Senate in 1991 even though the Democrats controlled the Senate and he was a very controversial nominee. The Democrats also controlled the Senate on 1/31/06 when Bush's nomination of Alito was confirmed.



Your view of the confirmation process is simplistic and not supported by the facts. Since the Supreme Court was created over 200 years ago, only 12 nominees were rejected by the Senate.

Neither case above has anything to do with my concerns. In both cases the President and Senate were from opposing parties. I'm concerned that with Obama and a Senate dominated by Democrats they will be in bed together and appoint judges that uphold their liberal views. Views that do not align with mine.

[IWRBB]

But do you really think that getting on here and bashing one or the other, And posting your own views and feelings is going to sway someones vote??? If someones vote is swayed or changed by posts on a car forum, Then that is part of the reason this country is in the shape it's in.... Again Just my opinion LMAO

Did you even read the original post? She wanted views and feeling on the canidates from real people. Why? To help decide who she should vote for. It doesn't matter if it's posted in a car forum, there are plenty of very well educated people here.

[k062693w]

Did you even read the original post? She wanted views and feeling on the canidates from real people. Why? To help decide who she should vote for. It doesn't matter if it's posted in a car forum, there are plenty of very well educated people here.
I wasn't saying anything about anyones education or intelligence.. ( but since that is what you read into it, You may want to speak to someone about your insecurities :bigthumb)
I understand completely what she was asking.. But as always in these political threads instead of getting advice, You get opinions and bashing....

[IWRBB]

I wasn't saying anything about anyones education or intelligence.. ( but since that is what you read into it, You may want to speak to someone about your insecurities :bigthumb)
I understand completely what she was asking.. But as always in these political threads instead of getting advice, You get opinions and bashing....

Don't worry, I have no insecurity in regards to my intelligence or education :) I know you weren't implying that either. I'm just saying that a car forum can have very intelligent posts, probably more so than most public venues. Using some of the info to base your vote on is not a bad thing, assuming you verify the info that interests you.

Advice vs. opinions - that's a mighty fine line you are drawing. It's only bashing if you don't like the message.

[04 Venom]

Neither case above has anything to do with my concerns. In both cases the President and Senate were from opposing parties. I'm concerned that with Obama and a Senate dominated by Democrats they will be in bed together and appoint judges that uphold their liberal views. Views that do not align with mine.

I was responding to your post #46, which suggested to that McCain could not get his nominees past a Democratic Senate. That apparently was not your intent, so I understand where you are coming from.

[Motorvation]

Didn't they also last year with the stimulus check? So it wouldn't be much different right?

It is different. Only those who paid taxes recieved a stimulus check. Under Obama all would recieve a check regardless if you paid taxes or not. That's where the "welfare" notion comes from.

Either way it looks bad for my job. Both want to cut future weapons development, and where I work we do a lot of military contracts. Some contracts are all about future weapons.

Here's a thought. While all the rants about tax cuts for corporations and such, are deserved, what happend in the same instance under Reagan? It was called Trickle down Economics. Bush and Clinton rode on top of that economic wave. Big business and the rich are top investors in lots of business and banking. Without those investments the economy suffers.

I will make my vote, but I really don't believe either will have the impact they claim they will have. They are held back by congress, and even if Obama gets in The republicans will still impact his bills w/o the majority. Republicans may not have the majority, but they still have enough votes to veto.

[k062693w]

It is different. Only those who paid taxes recieved a stimulus check. Under Obama all would recieve a check regardless if you paid taxes or not. That's where the "welfare" notion comes from.

That is not a true statement.... People who are on Social Security Disability, SSI, And Social Security Retirement also received a stimulus check also.. And they don't pay income tax....

[Waffles]

That is not a true statement.... People who are on Social Security Disability, SSI, And Social Security Retirement also received a stimulus check also.. And they don't pay income tax....

So you're advocating against the poor, disabled and retired people getting money too? You should be ashamed! :lol:

Didn't they give a bunch of illegal aliens stimulus checks? I should look that up. There was something about the democrats wanting to give a bunch of the stimulus money to illegals I think, but maybe they didn't actually get their way.

[NaomiDstangLvr]

I don't know, but the way it looks right now, Obama is going to get in. I'm not sure how legit all these polls are and such.

[04 Venom]

That is not a true statement.... People who are on Social Security Disability, SSI, And Social Security Retirement also received a stimulus check also.. And they don't pay income tax....

Well, you may be in a rude surprise when you retire because Social Security benefits are taxable above a certain income level. For example, if you are single, 85% of your Social Security benefits are subject to income tax if your income is above $34K; for married couples the figure is $44K. Some forms of disability pay are also taxable depending on the source and income level.

[04 Venom]

It is different. Only those who paid taxes recieved a stimulus check.

Not exactly. Here's an excerpt form the IRS website:

"Some people with no tax liability also qualify. This includes Social Security and Railroad Retirement beneficiaries, recipients of certain veterans’ payments, low-income workers with earned income and/or benefits of at least $3,000 and individuals who have combined income of at least $3,000 from any combination of these sources."

[loosehorse]

Did you catch Colin Powell's speech the other night about the election? If not check out this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/colin-powell-endorses-oba_n_135895.html I think he pretty much summed it up for me.... I know what you mean though. I went to a Catholic school and they tried to embed it within us and brainwash us... It is as if the whole gay marriage & abortion thing is the sole issue that they base their decision about who to vote for on (Catholics) and that is what they were trying to convince us to do. Yes, it's horrible and immoral act and Idk how anyone could think that is okay- but America has much bigger fish to fry! Are you more concerned about that.... than losing your job and not having any retirement $$$? For me personally I believe a lot of stuff will suck if Mccain gets elected, for me and a lot of people. I don't get all into politics and it's not worth bickering about, but that's my take. To each their own :)

Isn't it enough that he is for gay marriage and abortion!

[BigBadStang]

I don't know, but the way it looks right now, Obama is going to get in. I'm not sure how legit all these polls are and such.


I wouldn't put too much stock into the polls. You seldom know the cross section of people polled etc, and if I remember correctly, Carter and Reagan were nearly in a dead heat, to Carter having a slight 1-3 point edge in the polls depending on which poll was referenced on 11-03-1980. Reagan went on to win by a landslide. Now granted there were extenuating circumstances that are believed to caused the collapse of Carters campaign (Iran hostage situation, and a general frustration with Jimmy). I guess my point is, don't let the polls influence who you will vote for! Most polls only get view points and opinions from folks, but the pollsters have no way of knowing who will actually go and vote. Ultimately, voter turnout has a dramatic effect on the outcome.

[Goldenpony]

I am almost 63 years old and this is the first election I don't have a good feeling toward one candidate. Gay marriage doesn't bother me one way or the other. Abortion? I'm not a big fan of it, but I sure don't want the government holding a gun to the head of a pregnant woman and forcing her to have a baby she doesn't want. It's the woman's body and her decision - period. It should be between her, her conscience, her god, whatever. If you don't like abortion, then DON"T HAVE ONE!
There a number things about Obama that trouble me. There are more things about Sarah Palin that trouble me. I like Biden, but I wish he would stop saying stupid things.
I think John McCain is a good man, I think he wants the best for our country. I also think Obama wants the best for America, it's just that they seem to have different ways of getting there.
I am a registered Democrat, and proud of it. On the other hand, I think the Democrat controlled congress has made a real mess of things and I'm not happy with my party. Nancy Pelosi should be ridden out of town on a rail.
The one thing keeping me from being an enthusiastic McCain supporter is, I do worry about him being a third term of George W. Bush, who I consider, by far, the worst President we have ever elected. The idea of a President Palin scares me to death.
So, here I sit, just a handful of days before the election and I don't know who I will vote for. One day it's McCain, one day Obama, another day it's Bob Barr. I hate this. Where is a Harry Truman, a JFK, a Ronald Reagan? I worry for the future.

[Waffles]

Abortion? I'm not a big fan of it, but I sure don't want the government holding a gun to the head of a pregnant woman and forcing her to have a baby she doesn't want. It's the woman's body and her decision - period. It should be between her, her conscience, her god, whatever. If you don't like abortion, then DON"T HAVE ONE!

I have to comment on this issue, the rest I'll leave alone.

The trouble with this argument for those of us that believe abortion is wrong - we believe it's wrong like someone walking up and murdering you is wrong. From my perspective, saying abortion is a personal, private decision is no different than saying Casey Anthony murdering her three year old daughter Caylee was a personal, private decision also. Are you willing to say the government shouldn't interfere there either? After all, the government would be standing there holding a death sentence over the mother's head to keep her from killing her own child she obviously didn't want.

The arguement that "it's a woman's body" is, in my opinion, one of the weakest ever. She's not killing herself, and almost certainly everyone would agree it would be a tragedy if she did. If you don't believe that an unborn baby is a human life worthy of protection, when does this magical change take place? Is it when the heart first beats? When they feel pain? When they suck their thumb? When the head passes out of the birth canal? When exactly is that magical moment?

[Mista Bone]

So, here I sit, just a handful of days before the election and I don't know who I will vote for. One day it's McCain, one day Obama, another day it's Bob Barr. I hate this. Where is a Harry Truman, a JFK, a Ronald Reagan? I worry for the future.

GP, JFK IMHO was murdered when he wanted to pull "advisors" out of Vietnam...which LBJ turned around three days later and commited more troops.

Obama wants to do the same with Iraq. We'll see what happens.

[Mista Bone]

Abortion

I'm for both sides of the arguement.

Simply put.....I agree with abortion.....

1st trimester, for ANY reason.

2nd trimester, for health reasons, mostly towards the fetus, but also if the momma is at risk

3rd trimester, Adoption before Abortion....again health reasons, IMMEDIATE risk to the mother and severely misdeveloped fetus. Downs Syndrome nor Cerapal Palsy is severe enough IMHO. IF the baby is healthy. momma no want, momma gonna carry full term and give up for adoption with NO CHANCE to fit for custody rights. MAYBE visitation rights if both parties agree.

There are couples out there that cannot have children but have the means and love to raise a child the exact opposite of welfare momma's unable to provide for a newborn and therefore should be sterilzed UNTIL they can (if they choose too) get back on their feet.

[Black92LX]

As for taxing big business or any business for that matter.
Never a good idea.
Why businesses are the reasons we have jobs, business are the reason we have almost everything we have. Why would you want to mess with that.

Obama tell me why we should tax them more when
When we tax them more it gives them larger incentives to build and ship jobs overseas (The US already has the 2nd highest tax rate on businesses)

If one does raise their taxes why do you believe they will not just pass it on to the consumer?? Do you really think they are going eat the cost of higher taxes or are they going to pass it on by charging more for their product or service.

As for gays and abortion well we're long past ever returning to where that should be no matter who gets elected. But I will say one thing about abortion (If you don't want can't afford a baby DON'T HAVE SEX) and please don't give me the rape rape scenario that comes to play in far less than .05 percent of rapes. It's your body your choice correct. You made the decision when you decided to have sex. It's that simple. You knew good and well what could have happened (and the you is not pointed at anyone in particular)


I just don't like Obama because he is all about rewarding those that choose not to work.
He himself states it's about spreading the wealth around.

You don't work you don't get money it's that simple. You'll start to work when you get hungry.

[Stangman]

You'll start to work when you get hungry.

Or the way things are going.... Steal/murder

[02mingryGT]

[QUOTE=02mingryGT;416104]If McCain is elected the court can go from a slight conservative advantage to an overwhelming one for a long time. QUOTE]


That would be great but it won't happen with a congress dominated by Liberals.

I'm assuming you mean because they have to approve of the choice. I don't think they will withhold the appointment based on purely partisan reasons. They might cry, bitch and moan but eventually the nominee would be approved.

[02mingryGT]

That is not a true statement.... People who are on Social Security Disability, SSI, And Social Security Retirement also received a stimulus check also.. And they don't pay income tax....

I received SSI for about 12 years after my wife died for my children. Yes it was tax free but she paid into Social Security so it was HER money taht she will never collect. Social Security Retirement i9mplies specifically that you paid into Social Security and worked and thus paid taxes. And I don't think it is hard to stretch reason to believe that those on disability also worked until there disability and paid taxes. Although there are some who are milking the system.

[02mingryGT]

I don't know, but the way it looks right now, Obama is going to get in. I'm not sure how legit all these polls are and such.


Here's some links for you Naomi:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081022/D93VPI9O0.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122463210033356561.html?mod=djemEditorialPage

[04 Venom]

[QUOTE=Drivermod;416112]

I'm assuming you mean because they have to approve of the choice. I don't think they will withhold the appointment based on purely partisan reasons. They might cry, bitch and moan but eventually the nominee would be approved.

Mingry is correct.

[04 Venom]

When we tax them more it gives them larger incentives to build and ship jobs overseas (The US already has the 2nd highest tax rate on businesses)



How do you come up with the US having the second highest rates on business? Here's a link to one of the largest international accounting firms comparison of tax rates among 100 countries. I'll save you the time, we ain't second.

http://www.deloitte.com/dtt/section_node/0,1042,sid%253D168746,00.html

[BigBadStang]

How do you come up with the US having the second highest rates on business? Here's a link to one of the largest international accounting firms comparison of tax rates among 100 countries. I'll save you the time, we ain't second.

http://www.deloitte.com/dtt/section_node/0,1042,sid%253D168746,00.html


http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/22917.html

[04 Venom]

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/22917.html

I have read their figures before. What they don't discuss is the addtitional cost of doing business beyond the gross tax rate for business income. They also do not discuss the deductions allowed that reduces the effective tax rates. If you read the Deloitte figures, it lists all the taxes businesses are subject to as well as all the exclusions. I frankly trust their information more since the are not an interest group and because they actually prepare taxes for companies doing business in those countries.

Here's an interesting comparison. This year China passed the US as the largest manufacturing economy in the world. Compare their gross tax rates for business income with the US , which is comparable, but look at all the additional taxes and costs of doing business. It is significantly higher. Under the prevailing Stangbangerz economic theory espoused here, the US should be doing better, but yet China is the largest exporter in the world. Search the Wall Street Journal website for articles regarding the cost of doing business in China and you will see why some businesses have given up operating there.

Hard to figure? Not really, there many other factors that effect this such as exchange rates, labor rates, shipping costs and the cost of materials. But the simplistic statement that business taxes in the US are second highest in the world and adversely impact our ability to compete is, once again, not accurate and a gross oversimplification. It's like saying that if it rains every Tueday, the reason that it rains is because it is Tuesday.

[Black92LX]

I have read their figures before. What they don't discuss is the addtitional cost of doing business beyond the gross tax rate for business income. They also do not discuss the deductions allowed that reduces the effective tax rates. If you read the Deloitte figures, it lists all the taxes businesses are subject to as well as all the exclusions. I frankly trust their information more since the are not an interest group and because they actually prepare taxes for companies doing business in those countries.

Here's an interesting comparison. This year China passed the US as the largest manufacturing economy in the world. Compare their gross tax rates for business income with the US , which is comparable, but look at all the additional taxes and costs of doing business. It is significantly higher. Under the prevailing Stangbangerz economic theory espoused here, the US should be doing better, but yet China is the largest exporter in the world. Search the Wall Street Journal website for articles regarding the cost of doing business in China and you will see why some businesses have given up operating there.

Hard to figure? Not really, there many other factors that effect this such as exchange rates, labor rates, shipping costs and the cost of materials. But the simplistic statement that business taxes in the US are second highest in the world and adversely impact our ability to compete is, once again, not accurate and a gross oversimplification. It's like saying that if it rains every Tueday, the reason that it rains is because it is Tuesday.

So if it's not so bad for businesses here. Where are so many businesses taking overseas???

Because it's cheaper to operate there.
I can't understand why one would want to tax the businesses and say it won't effect the "little man"
That is who Obama says he is fighting for.
Nothing more than a smoke screen to those that aren't educated enough to actually think about it.

You tax businesses it's always going to fall back on the consumer. Make it more difficult for them to operate by placing restrictions on carbon emissions and different regulations. All based upon this "green" movement because global warming is such a detriment.
A detriment that has still yet to be proven.
Global climate change has always been around.

The business is what allow people to have money. They make the products, they provide the services, and they supply us with jobs.
I agree with some taxation and regulation but we have gone out of control.

Money is a driving factor. Many people that lean left find this to be wrong and immoral. Guess what that is the way the world works. People are driven by having more.


The world revolves around money. It always has and always will.
Would be nice if everything were equal and fair like the left wants.
But guess what it is never going to happen.
Socialism, Communism, and Marxism all governments based upon equality fairness for the "people" have never worked and will never work. Why because government is not capable of taking care of you as an individual.
Taking care of you is your job and no one elses. This country is in such sad shape because it has become common place and expectations of far too many people for the goverment to bail them out.


Because the world is based on greed.

[04 Venom]

So if it's not so bad for businesses here. Where are so many businesses taking overseas???



Primarily wage costs and, to a much lesser extent, compliance costs with government regulations including worker safety and environmental issues. But business taxes are not nearly as important as wage rates.

The proof of this is the wide array of taxes and other government mandated costs paid by companies doing business in China, which is higher than the US. But the wage differential more than overcomes these other costs. Wages and environmental regulations have begun to increase in China and eventually, China will lose that competive advantage to other countries.

[mach_u]

Primarily wage costs and, to a much lesser extent, compliance costs with government regulations including worker safety and environmental issues. But business taxes are not nearly as important as wage rates.

The proof of this is the wide array of taxes and other government mandated costs paid by companies doing business in China, which is higher than the US. But the wage differential more than overcomes these other costs. Wages and environmental regulations have begun to increase in China and eventually, China will lose that competive advantage to other countries.
So using your logic, wouldn't raising the minimum wage cause more jobs to be shipped overseas and/or an influx in illegal workers to cover the difference? Last I checked Obama is 100% for a healthy increase in minimum wage across the board.

[04 Venom]

So using your logic, wouldn't raising the minimum wage cause more jobs to be shipped overseas and/or an influx in illegal workers to cover the difference? Last I checked Obama is 100% for a healthy increase in minimum wage across the board.

Minimum wage primarily affects the low skill service sector. Those jobs are not outsourced. It is the skilled and semi-skilled jobs that are being outsourced--as well as white collar jobs. This may interest you:

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/doing_business_in_china_to_cost_more_081001.html

[02mingryGT]

Primarily wage costs and, to a much lesser extent, compliance costs with government regulations including worker safety and environmental issues. But business taxes are not nearly as important as wage rates.

The proof of this is the wide array of taxes and other government mandated costs paid by companies doing business in China, which is higher than the US. But the wage differential more than overcomes these other costs. Wages and environmental regulations have begun to increase in China and eventually, China will lose that competive advantage to other countries.


Absolutely true. Auto Ventshade wanted to move it's manufacturing to China but found out that the labor was cheaper in Lawrenceville Ga than in China, that combined with shipping cost. Also talked to a gentleman a few months ago who was a export/import business consultant who told me that Malaysia was becoming the new China because of the increased labor cost.

BTW, China's economy is taking a dump as well due to the fact that we are their largest importer.

[02mingryGT]

Greed and greed alone is responsible for outsourcing. Either personal or driven by shareholders who want to see an increase in stock price.

[04 Venom]

Mingry,

I have been meaning to ask about the picture of the infant in your posts. Since I won't presume your age, is the infant a child or grandchild?

[02mingryGT]

Grandchild. My second. Name's Mariah. She's a pretty good baby. Likes racing and football. I have a big screen so it's probably huge to her. She does get pissy when someone calls a timeout during a game. She likes Jimmy Neutron cartoons but doesn't like Dora. She was sitting in her carrier and Dora was on and she started fussing so I went over and switched it to Sportscenter and she quieted down and watched it......lol.
I think she must be Republican and figures Dora's illegal......lol. She's at the stage where she's trying to talk. So I'll sit with her and talk to her. The funniest thing is if I ask her if she wants to watch race cars she growls. I think she's trying to mimic the sound of the cars.

[04 Venom]

Grandchild. My second. Name's Mariah. She's a pretty good baby. Likes racing and football. I have a big screen so it's probably huge to her. She does get pissy when someone calls a timeout during a game. She likes Jimmy Neutron cartoons but doesn't like Dora. She was sitting in her carrier and Dora was on and she started fussing so I went over and switched it to Sportscenter and she quieted down and watched it......lol.
I think she must be Republican and figures Dora's illegal......lol. She's at the stage where she's trying to talk. So I'll sit with her and talk to her. The funniest thing is if I ask her if she wants to watch race cars she growls. I think she's trying to mimic the sound of the cars.

Congratulations :bigthumb. I have three granddaughters:7,5 and 3. I will say that being a grandparent IS all it is cracked up to be.

[Maximus]

Congratulations :bigthumb. I have three granddaughters:7,5 and 3. I will say that being a grandparent IS all it is cracked up to be.

I bet, you can GIVE EM BACK!!!:lol::lol:

<~~Two daughters under the age of 2 and a Step daughter who is 11.:)

[02mingryGT]

Congratulations :bigthumb. I have three granddaughters:7,5 and 3. I will say that being a grandparent IS all it is cracked up to be.


Thanks and it is!!:bigthumb

And your right Craig you can give them back but I've been blessed with having two mild tempered grand babies. Plus the daughter moved back in because of her boyfriend hitting her. I had to go down his house and kick his door in and get my grand babies out of the house. He went to jail. Only good thing that came out of it is my grandson thinks I'm billy bad ass now.....:lol: :tard:

[04 Venom]

Thanks and it is!!:bigthumb

And your right Craig you can give them back but I've been blessed with having two mild tempered grand babies. Plus the daughter moved back in because of her boyfriend hitting her. I had to go down his house and kick his door in and get my grand babies out of the house. He went to jail. Only good thing that came out of it is my grandson thinks I'm billy bad ass now.....:lol: :tard:

Jail is too good for any MFer that beats on women. He deserves to get it rammed up his ass....repeatedly.

[BIGRED Z]

If that's not enough, when the people realize that these "top 5%" promises are empty because that simply won't pay for all of Obama's proposed spending and he imposes tax increases on the middle class as well... every one of those freeloaders that voted for him will deserve the increase they get.


That'd be great if the freeloaders actually had a job and paid taxes. Unfortunately, a tax increase only affects those who pay taxes. Most of Obama's supporters are collecting my tax dollars in the form of a welfare check, SSI for their "substance addiction", medicaid for the 8 bastards she can't afford healthcare for, foodstamps because she's too busy laying home gettin high and gettin knocked up to work.

God knows that's just what I need, another unemployed crackwhore with 8 children and 8 different "baby daddies" to pay for. None of those bastards keep a job either, because then their wages are garnisheed for child support.

Fuck Obama. Fuck him, FUCK him, right in the ass.

[Waffles]

Haha... tell us how you really feel? You know, if the freeloaders had jobs etc, then they wouldn't be freeloaders ;) Wouldn't that be something?

[BIGRED Z]

Haha... tell us how you really feel? You know, if the freeloaders had jobs etc, then they wouldn't be freeloaders ;) Wouldn't that be something?

LOL, that was really hard for me as I am so quiet and shy. I've worked hard to come out of my shell. LOL! :lol:

[mach_u]

Minimum wage primarily affects the low skill service sector. Those jobs are not outsourced. It is the skilled and semi-skilled jobs that are being outsourced--as well as white collar jobs. This may interest you:

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/doing_business_in_china_to_cost_more_081001.html
Don't know how I missed the reply. I realize there are a host of white collar jobs being shipped overseas. I am in IT, so I get to talk to India all the time. :lol: There are also a lot of low paying labor/manufacturing jobs being shipped overseas too, because the cost to do business here is getting ridiculous. As for min. wage, that will increase the amount of illegal/under the table work force in this country. Especially as small businesses start to get taxes higher rates. Higher labor costs + Higher cost to do business + Higher taxes = Higher cost to the consumer overall. Not a good situation.