Michael Savage: "Autism is a fraud" -Most ignorant remark!

[cobrajoe]

I am absolutely speechless... I don't know what to say.. When they say never underestimate the power of human stupidity, they definatly speak for people like this... Wow...
He is way off and dead wrong.

I would like to meet this fucking idiot! As a matter of fact Mr. Savage, if you see this, bring your no good for nothing sorry ass to my house meet my "Brat" and I'll show you how my dad raised me to take care of pieces of shit like you! Your a real class act you FUCK!:mad:





Savage on autism: "A fraud, a racket. ... In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out"

Summary: On his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage claimed that autism is "[a] fraud, a racket. ... I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.

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On the July 16 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage claimed that autism is "[a] fraud, a racket." Savage went on to say, "I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' " Savage concluded, "[I]f I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, 'Don't behave like a fool.' The worst thing he said -- 'Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry.' That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have.

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Savage also stated: "[W]hy was there an asthma epidemic amongst minority children? Because I'll tell you why: The children got extra welfare if they were disabled, and they got extra help in school. It was a money racket. Everyone went in and was told [fake cough], 'When the nurse looks at you, you go [fake cough], "I don't know, the dust got me." ' See, everyone had asthma from the minority community.

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Talk Radio Network, which syndicates The Savage Nation, claims that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches at least 8.25 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.



From the July 16 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:

SAVAGE: Now, you want me to tell you my opinion on autism, since I'm not talking about autism? A fraud, a racket. For a long while, we were hearing that every minority child had asthma. Why did they sudden -- why was there an asthma epidemic amongst minority children? Because I'll tell you why: The children got extra welfare if they were disabled, and they got extra help in school. It was a money racket. Everyone went in and was told [fake cough], "When the nurse looks at you, you go [fake cough], 'I don't know, the dust got me.' " See, everyone had asthma from the minority community. That was number one.



Now, the illness du jour is autism. You know what autism is? I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is.



What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, "Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.

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Autism -- everybody has an illness. If I behaved like a fool, my father called me a fool. And he said to me, "Don't behave like a fool." The worst thing he said -- "Don't behave like a fool. Don't be anybody's dummy. Don't sound like an idiot. Don't act like a girl. Don't cry." That's what I was raised with. That's what you should raise your children with. Stop with the sensitivity training. You're turning your son into a girl, and you're turning your nation into a nation of losers and beaten men. That's why we have the politicians we have.



—Z.A.



SOURCE: http://mediamatters. org/items/200807170005?f=h_latest

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[WhiteT]

It's actually Dr. Savage.

I would like him to meet my 15 year old autistic cousin. What an ass.

However, I would like to hear the whole program and not just a few quotes. I have listened to Savage many, many times. He seems like a very smart man. I do not think he would make a statement like this. Makes me wonder if these statements were taken out of context.

[PaulFiveOh]

Agreed with WhiteT.

This may be completely made up.

[cobrajoe]

It's actually Dr. Savage.

I would like him to meet my 15 year old autistic cousin. What an ass.

However, I would like to hear the whole program and not just a few quotes. I have listened to Savage many, many times. He seems like a very smart man. I do not think he would make a statement like this. Makes me wonder if these statements were taken out of context.

Goto youtube.com and type in Michael Savage on Autism, You can here it for yourself.

Here's just one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiZBC8lIOIk

I listened and I still want to "Show" him how dad taught me to handle people like him. With comments like that he doesn't deserve my respect to be called a doctor.

[cobrajoe]

My son is Autistic and My wife and I have been living with this for the last 7 years. A lot of people have not a clue what sacrifices are made when dealing with this. This is a "Don't go there" subject with me and I have zero tolerance for people who have no clue what they are talking about. As far as his credentials on being a doctor...I guess having a PH.d in Epidemiology and Nutritional Science makes him a expert in Developmental disorders?:rolleyes:
Let him go save some fucking rain forest and leave the children and families affected with this alone.

[PaulFiveOh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiZBC8lIOIk



:eek:

[WhiteT]

My son is Autistic and My wife and I have been living with this for the last 7 years. A lot of people have not a clue what sacrifices are made when dealing with this. This is a "Don't go there" subject with me and I have zero tolerance for people who have no clue what they are talking about. As far as his credentials on being a doctor...I guess having a PH.d in Epidemiology and Nutritional Science makes him a expert in Developmental disorders?:rolleyes:
Let him go save some fucking rain forest and leave the children and families affected with this alone.

I was not trying to defend him. I was just pointing out that I can not see him saying something like this. I still would like to see his response to his comments.
Trust me, I know about autism. My 15 year old cousin is autistic. He can not even talk and has a very hard time communicating with others. I know one thing, my aunt is a living saint! Her husband (loser) left when Shawn (my cousin) was 3 years old. He couldn't deal with him anymore...he never even sees him at all. So sad! The bad part for my aunt is that her son is now 5" taller and 100lbs heavier than her. She can no longer physically stop him from doing anything. Our whole family does whatever we can to help her out. It's very tough at times.
If you and your wife have to deal with half the stuff my aunt deals with....you both are VERY strong people. My 3 year old is very hyper...thats hard enough for me...could not imagine dealing with an autistic child everyday. It's enough for me when I have to watch my autistic cousin for 6 hours.

[HDmstng]

It's actually Dr. Savage.

It's actually Dr. Weiner...

[bobtsgt]

wow what a dick!!! that is some crap right there.

[Blacksunshine]

It's actually Dr. Savage.

I would like him to meet my 15 year old autistic cousin. What an ass.

However, I would like to hear the whole program and not just a few quotes. I have listened to Savage many, many times. He seems like a very smart man. I do not think he would make a statement like this. Makes me wonder if these statements were taken out of context.

I agree ,this guy is sharp . It's all a ploy to get Obamamama elected. lol

[Blacksunshine]

My son is Autistic and My wife and I have been living with this for the last 7 years. A lot of people have not a clue what sacrifices are made when dealing with this. This is a "Don't go there" subject with me and I have zero tolerance for people who have no clue what they are talking about. As far as his credentials on being a doctor...I guess having a PH.d in Epidemiology and Nutritional Science makes him a expert in Developmental disorders?:rolleyes:
Let him go save some fucking rain forest and leave the children and families affected with this alone.

Also a very good point !! Well said !!!

[ibstrokin]

I don't think he is picking on the real cases. He's making the point of welfare fraud.

Rick93coupe told me a story the other day that he overheard while at a customers house. The gist is, his customer was talking to a friend who was asking how his customers child was doing in school. His cust replied,"he's doing in good in everything but math, so I'm going to just get him a check", implying that she was going to sign her child up for ssi, because her son was bad in math.

I believe this is the type of abuse Savage is speaking of. I believe Dr. Savage is arrogant, but at least he i speaking out about wasteful govt. spending, and people abusing the system.

[Black92LX]

My son is Autistic and My wife and I have been living with this for the last 7 years. A lot of people have not a clue what sacrifices are made when dealing with this. This is a "Don't go there" subject with me and I have zero tolerance for people who have no clue what they are talking about. As far as his credentials on being a doctor...I guess having a PH.d in Epidemiology and Nutritional Science makes him a expert in Developmental disorders?:rolleyes:
Let him go save some fucking rain forest and leave the children and families affected with this alone.

Actually he has quite a background in child development.
http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Children-Naturally-Michael-Weiner/dp/0912845104

And ibstrokin is correct. I was listening to his show when he said it. He never said there is no such thing as Autism. But the fact that currently Autism is one of the band wagons jump on it. There are many many parents that have nothing more than a child that needs to be properly disciplined or made to speak that are taking advantages away from those that truly need help with the disorder.

[cobrajoe]

I don't think he is picking on the real cases. He's making the point of welfare fraud.

Rick93coupe told me a story the other day that he overheard while at a customers house. The gist is, his customer was talking to a friend who was asking how his customers child was doing in school. His cust replied,"he's doing in good in everything but math, so I'm going to just get him a check", implying that she was going to sign her child up for ssi, because her son was bad in math.

I believe this is the type of abuse Savage is speaking of. I believe Dr. Savage is arrogant, but at least he i speaking out about wasteful govt. spending, and people abusing the system.


Actually he has quite a background in child development.
http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Children-Naturally-Michael-Weiner/dp/0912845104

And ibstrokin is correct. I was listening to his show when he said it. He never said there is no such thing as Autism. But the fact that currently Autism is one of the band wagons jump on it. There are many many parents that have nothing more than a child that needs to be properly disciplined or made to speak that are taking advantages away from those that truly need help with the disorder.

Not to be busting your ass but here's my take on this. Writing a book about natural healing DOES NOT make you a expert on Developmental Disorders!!!!!!!!! His doctorate has NOTHING to do with children or the disorder we are talking about. Second if he's talking about about wasteful spending and welfare fraud then say that!!!! Not oh the "du jour" illness now is Autism. Bandwagon???? You got to be fucking kidding me!!!!! What part of 99% is saying there is Autism?? I guess Fuck head Savage would also be the first to condemn my ass if I took his approach and beat my "Brat" till he stopped "acting up", for child abuse? Let me ask you a question... How many years have you or dickhead lived with some one who is Autistic? Another fact this is not "oh my brat has Autism give us money!" My wife had to quit working and if there's all this help you think is out there, then let me tell you between doctor visits, medication, special summer camps, etc . I've spent enough to put a Whipple and a built mod motor in my 2006. Like I've said make sure the facts are straight and accurate before something is said!!!! And just so you know that comment is mostly for crack head Micheal because people here him on radio see he has a Doctorate on poison ivy, oh I meant Epidemiology and Nutritional Science, and they believe what he says no mater how fucked up what he's saying is. He's a arrogant son of a bitch and if he was ever to meet me or say my kid is a "brat" I will beat his ass for it and show him this dad is here and I do take care of business.....

Joe Hammons
Racers for Autism
and a proud and protective father of some "brat" that has Autism

[BIGHONKEY]

I'm gonna go try his technique with my brother. I hope it works, can't belive we didn't think of this for the last 17yrs. :rolleyes:

This guy just wants people to talk about him. Same thing with alot of people.

[Black92LX]

My wife had to quit working and if there's all this help you think is out there, then let me tell you between doctor visits, medication, special summer camps, etc . I've spent enough to put a Whipple and a built mod motor in my 2006.

This is his point exactly. There are far too many people out there whose child has slow speech development and nothing more or a child that has random outbursts that a parent can't control simply get labeled as being Autistic because the parents are too lazy to take care of the child in the in the fashion that the child needs to develop. Therefore the child's actions become solely attitudinal based. (and not a true disorder which Autism is) The problem today is people are so quick to diagnose things.
**DISCLAIMER** I am not saying there is not true Autism being that of the actual (diagnosed) developmental disorders with many symptoms not just 1 or 2 that many people quickly believe make a child autistic.

And these people whose children who don't have true have Autism but only show some signs that could be changed with work and discipline would solve the child's problem take away from the resources of the people like yourself that truly need the extra help because their child has Autism.

He is not downplaying true Autism by any means.

As for him having no background in child development statement. In most cases (this one included) Authors go in extreme depth to research their topic when writing a medical book.

I haven't lived with a child with Autism but I have done a lot of work with Autism groups. Enough to know and understand there are plenty of kids that are labeled Autistic but in reality it's all attitude based. But also understand the fact that Autism is a real disorder and a terrible terrible struggle not only for the child but their caretaker.

One example:
There are those parents who do not encourage their children to use words. The child wants a cracker so he/she pounds and screams till he gets the cracker. If this behavior is continued to be allowed whenever the child wants a cracker of course he/she is not going to speak. He/she is going to pound and scream until they get whatever they want. If a parent does not encourage a child to develop speech it will not develop speech.
You are well aware that this type of behavior alone does not constitute Autism, but the fact is this behavior alone is being diagnosed more and more as Autism.

And sadly yes Autism has become one of the "band wagon" illnesses right now.
At least around here it ranks right up there with the
LiveStrong and Breast Cancer businesses.
Yes I call them businesses because the leading reason for those pink ribbons and yellow bracelets are corporate profits with the true needs (research development and treatment funds get sluffed to the back)

Also if you took my original post as saying you were one of the parents that is too lazy to really help their child develop in the fashion that they need. That was not my intention you are defiantly not in that group that is evident from your first post.


I am by no means a medical professional but I will give my 2 cents on why we are seeing a huge uprising in developmental disorders that have always been a part of life but no where near the numbers we are seeing today.

It's the complete breakdown of the family. Children develop by watching and learning from their parents. Today's society children are being sent off to day care at 3 weeks old, the new babysitter is the TV and video games.
In many cases parents don't have the time or don't give the time needed to truly help their child grow and develop. They expect the "school system" to take care of it.
Sorry that is not going to cut it and you are going to have far more behavioral problems that on the outside look like a developmental problem when they really aren't.
And that then takes away from the help that the children with true developmental problems need.

[MrsAPE]

^excellent post!

[cin_mustang]

The reason the numbers of autism are increasing is because they have now labeled what we used to call learning disability under this umbrella. Everyone has a right to their opinion but unless you have dealt with this, I wouldn't comment too much. This is a sensitive subject with me also. My 3 1/2 year old son is autistic. Let me just tell you that being told me son was autistic was one of the most devistating things I have EVER had to go through. I felt like his future was sealed. I thought he'd never be able to communicate or have a normal relationship with anyone. With some help from MMRD he has improved. I was in denial about his dianosis for a while until I started doing research and REALLY watching him. Sure he misbehaves, but you can see in his eyes that he doesn't even know what he is doing or why. He want's to stop but just can't figure out how. Sadly, not knowing alot about how to deal with this kind of behavior, at first I did beat his ass and yell at him. Guess what, it didn't work. As a matter of fact, it made things 10 time worse. This dumb ass of a so called dr. needs to have his head checked. I'm sure there might be people just looking to get their $ from the government but there is no way that any reputable dr. would diagnose a child with autism that just had a behavior problem. There is a difference and if you spend 24 hrs a day with a child with autism, you would know. I think that is exactly what dr quack should have to do. I would volunteer my child, who is actually mild on the spectrum, for him to "try" his methods on. I am by no stretch of the imagination a push over and if my hard handed disipline doesn't work, I'm pretty sure that telling him to man up and not be a crybaby wouldn't work either. Also if anyone reading this thinks they can get a buttload of money from the goverment, think again. Besides getting my son in an early intervention class which he attends 3 hours a day 4 days a week through normal school times, we haven't gotten this magic check. He gets an allowence by the gov. which is very minimal and can only go toward dr visits, or tools to use at home to help him improve.

[facemelter71]

Not to jump off topic,but when i was in grade school the new thing was that damn near every kid had ADD or ADHD.And the wonder drug was Ridilin.Most of the people i knew took ridilin,mostly because they sat at home and did nothing and had all this pent up energy.

[cobrajoe]

I am by no means a medical professional but I will give my 2 cents on why we are seeing a huge uprising in developmental disorders that have always been a part of life but no where near the numbers we are seeing today.

It's the complete breakdown of the family. Children develop by watching and learning from their parents. Today's society children are being sent off to day care at 3 weeks old, the new babysitter is the TV and video games.
In many cases parents don't have the time or don't give the time needed to truly help their child grow and develop. They expect the "school system" to take care of it.
Sorry that is not going to cut it and you are going to have far more behavioral problems that on the outside look like a developmental problem when they really aren't.
And that then takes away from the help that the children with true developmental problems need.


^excellent post!

Yes a good post. But here's some food for thought

MrsApe our age group, let say those above 35, did not have the number of immunizations that are giving to children today. Yes the research is on going but is seems to be continually pointing back to thimerosal that is used as a preservative in vaccines. The reason we're not going to hear much about it is because is Big Medicine and they don't want hit with a class action suit.

Go here to my Racers for Autism page and read my blogs. I have info there that continually gets updated. Here's the link:

http://www.myspace.com/racers4autism

[MrsAPE]

Oh I agree that there are way to many vaccines for kids. I know there are problems from these as well. I will read your blog after I wake up a bit more. But I also know that there is an incredible amount of parents out there that have no idea how to be parents. Nor do they care!! They figure that's the schools problems. Yet school is to teach them the basics. Which they are not able to do because they spend so much time fixing behavior problems in class. Yes some are legit. But a lot of them are not. Pure lack of interest on the parents part. That's just coming from helping out at the school and being a part of it. I've seen it.

[Waffles]

It's actually Dr. Savage.

I would like him to meet my 15 year old autistic cousin. What an ass.

However, I would like to hear the whole program and not just a few quotes. I have listened to Savage many, many times. He seems like a very smart man. I do not think he would make a statement like this. Makes me wonder if these statements were taken out of context.

I'm likely the most conservative person any of you know, and I can totally see him saying this. I still want the context, but it sounds exactly like something he'd say.

I know people with autistic kids, and I know it's very real. However, I also have a friend that lives up in Price Hill who "suddenly discovered" that his 13 year old daughter was autistic when he found out he could get money and sympathy for it. There was nothing wrong with her except that she has a father that won't work and uses white people for all his excuses. From then out, his "special needs" child was the reason he couldn't pay his bills... had nothing to do with his refusal to work. I think Savage was probably on a rant and exagerated, but was referring to cases of legitimate fraud like this.

[corey331]

I'm likely the most conservative person any of you know, and I can totally see him saying this. I still want the context, but it sounds exactly like something he'd say.

I know people with autistic kids, and I know it's very real. However, I also have a friend that lives up in Price Hill who "suddenly discovered" that his 13 year old daughter was autistic when he found out he could get money and sympathy for it. There was nothing wrong with her except that she has a father that won't work and uses white people for all his excuses. From then out, his "special needs" child was the reason he couldn't pay his bills... had nothing to do with his refusal to work. I think Savage was probably on a rant and exagerated, but was referring to cases of legitimate fraud like this.


Exactly. I listened to that whole show. He was not saying that autism does not exhist at all. He was simply stating that welfare recipients are now using that as a way to get more money and saying that a lot of bad parents are using autism as a scapegoat as to why their kids act the way they do instead of stepping up and being real parents.

Autism is very very real, and i have seen it first person. And in real cases, it is very very hard to deal with. In extreme cases i would almost compare it to Downs Syndrome in the difficulty to deal with. But what he is saying, that autism, like asthma is easy to diagnose buy very very hard to say with certainty that "no your kid is NOT autistic". So therefore, those who look to make their way through life by "getting something for free" can easily use this excuse. And if there kid isn't autistic, all they have to say is "prove it", and you can't.

The comments made on this show were made in that context, not at all to say that autism was fake in general. He just used an exaggerated number like 99% to get his point across.


Kudos to those of you out there dealing with this first hand. It has to be very very difficult. I think you should redirect your anger towards those who are using what you deal with day to day as a "free ticket" through life.

[1badasp]

I know for a fact that autism is real. I have a 18 y.o. stepson that is autistic to go along with all the other mental disabilities. Its caused exteme stress on our family to the point it tore it apart. It has nothing to do with not being able to disipline or not making the sacrifices needed for the child. Autism is a lifetime commitment for the parents. I'd have to admit that there is a tendency if a child acts up they will call it autism or ADHD. In most of those cases it is just plain fraud.

Try watching a child that you love be completely spaced out on medicine for his disabilities. Try watching a child that you had the highest hopes for as a young child, struggle through life and hoping that the best that they can accomplish is to stay out of trouble because of the ignorance of others thinking that all they need is behavior modification. Watch them struggle with the most simple things that many of us take for granted such as reading and simple math. Watch them lose it when there are sounds that will irritate them. Watch them as grow up and other kids are driving, going to the mall and going out on dates. Its pure hell. It makes you thankful that you are blessed to do normal things.

[cin_mustang]

I see everyones point but I AM going through this. WHERES THIS MONEY???? I don't see a god damn dime. Thanks to SSA this year he will be able to get some developmental assistance but I have to pay for this in advance and then if they deem it was legit I will get reimbursed. How is it at all possible that people whose children may not have autism are getting extra money from the government and I don't see a thing? It took this long (almost 2 years) to get that little bit of help. Sorry for the rant but I don't see how in any context what that jackass said can be justified. Does anyone realize how much therapies and whatnot cost for autistic children? I was on another forum specifically for this and this woman had to quit her job and they were paying upwards of 250,000 a year. Do you really think that if someone was faking it or just not disiplining their child that maybe they would realize that it's not worth it? I'm sure there are ignorant people out their that do this to their kids but that ass munch said that 99% of autism cases are a farse. Sorry to get so defensive but I had to quit my job to help my autistic child and it is not easy mentally, physically or financially. No one in their right mind would subject themselves to this intentionally.

[Waffles]

Again sir, I'm sure he was not talking about legitimate cases of autism. If your situtation is legitimate, and you don't even get money, then I'm absolutely sure he wasn't talking about you.

[mustang8998]

Cindy, please parton Hardcore. He is too busy, correcting other peoples spelling, to notice you are a female.

[Greg Seibert]

I agree with Savage and Hardcore.
What he reportedly said was taken out of context.
Unless you are a regular listener, you wouldn't know this.
He is not being critical of true Autism patients, and God bless those, and their caretakers who suffer from its effects.

Go to the link to hear his explaination.

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/

[Black92LX]

Do you really think that if someone was faking it or just not disciplining their child that maybe they would realize that it's not worth it?

You are forgetting something here. The people that Michael Savage is reffering too, those that milk the system and use their child with a behavioral/attitudinal problem get the check and use it for what they like.
They do not take the child to the doctors or therapy that are needed to correct the problem. They do not have the child's interest in mind what so ever.

It is worth it too them. When one receives a governement check there is no stipulation how that money is used. They receive it as a check which they cash and do what they please with.
Their kid may have some problems but they could care less. They have money they will just leave the kid under some one elses care why they are out spending the money.

**Disclaimer**
Again this is not in reference to those that have children and do all they can to care for their child and keep their own heads above water. It is strictly referring to the leaches that milk the system and make it cost $250,000 and people that are truly burdened by Autism and other diseases and disorders to lose their jobs, lose their belongings and so on.

This debate goes much further than Autism there are so many social programs that are getting raped on a daily basis.

I can't tell you how many people have told me their child gets a check because they can't read.
I then asked what type of extra programs are they in at school? I don't have them in any extra programs. What about a tutor?? Nope. Why because they are well aware if that kid learns to read they loose the check.
And that check is far more important than the kid.

I see this every day. And it burns me up. Mostly for the kid who if he had a true problem would love for my tax dollars to help get better and learn to read. But the fact that it is going to the dead beat parent who could care less about the kid as long as they are getting the check.

[MrsAPE]

^Also well said. I see this all the time in the Elementary School. They do get extra help through the school but not the help they need at home. Truly a sad vicious cycle. Don't even get me started on the being dressed to the nine's and their parents drive brand new cars while receiving free lunches!! There are some that can work the 'system' well. Then there are the honest folks who get nothing. I'll hush now.

[cobrajoe]

You are forgetting something here. The people that Michael Savage is referring too, those that milk the system and use their child with a behavioral/attitudinal problem get the check and use it for what they like.
They do not take the child to the doctors or therapy that are needed to correct the problem. They do not have the child's interest in mind what so ever.

It is worth it too them. When one receives a government check there is no stipulation how that money is used. They receive it as a check which they cash and do what they please with.
Their kid may have some problems but they could care less. They have money they will just leave the kid under some one elses care why they are out spending the money.

**Disclaimer**
Again this is not in reference to those that have children and do all they can to care for their child and keep their own heads above water. It is strictly referring to the leaches that milk the system and make it cost $250,000 and people that are truly burdened by Autism and other diseases and disorders to lose their jobs, lose their belongings and so on.

This debate goes much further than Autism there are so many social programs that are getting raped on a daily basis.

I can't tell you how many people have told me their child gets a check because they can't read.
I then asked what type of extra programs are they in at school? I don't have them in any extra programs. What about a tutor?? Nope. Why because they are well aware if that kid learns to read they loose the check.
And that check is far more important than the kid.

I see this every day. And it burns me up. Mostly for the kid who if he had a true problem would love for my tax dollars to help get better and learn to read. But the fact that it is going to the dead beat parent who could care less about the kid as long as they are getting the check.
I would love to know where these people are getting their checks from... Because the help my son receives through ARC the vouchers are made out to his day/summer camp and I CANNOT "cash them and do what I like"


I agree with Savage and Hardcore.
What he reportedly said was taken out of context.
Unless you are a regular listener, you wouldn't know this.
He is not being critical of true Autism patients, and God bless those, and their caretakers who suffer from its effects.

Go to the link to hear his explaination.

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/
I listened to his excuse of an explanation, but it still boils down to he opened his ass, I mean mouth before he thought about what he was saying without having all the facts and by NO means a expert. It's cut and dry. He said what he said, meant what he said and NOW is trying to cover his ass so he doesn't get fired. If he would have said that in front of me he would still be trying to pick his sorry arrogant ass up out of the gutter. He flat out said 99%, that's his own words, just pulling a number out of the air or not does not justify what he said. If your gonna talk about fraud talk about it don't say "oh Autism parents are 99% con artist." Fuck him and fuck whoever agrees with him. Like I have said I've spent enough in the 7 years my son has been on this earth to do some serious shit to both my 89 and 06. So where is this money? Must be like the proverbial unicorn... Doesn't exist.


I see everyones point but I AM going through this. WHERES THIS MONEY???? I don't see a god damn dime. Thanks to SSA this year he will be able to get some developmental assistance but I have to pay for this in advance and then if they deem it was legit I will get reimbursed. How is it at all possible that people whose children may not have autism are getting extra money from the government and I don't see a thing? It took this long (almost 2 years) to get that little bit of help. Sorry for the rant but I don't see how in any context what that jackass said can be justified. Does anyone realize how much therapies and whatnot cost for autistic children? I was on another forum specifically for this and this woman had to quit her job and they were paying upwards of 250,000 a year. Do you really think that if someone was faking it or just not disciplining their child that maybe they would realize that it's not worth it? I'm sure there are ignorant people out their that do this to their kids but that ass munch said that 99% of autism cases are a farse. Sorry to get so defensive but I had to quit my job to help my autistic child and it is not easy mentally, physically or financially. No one in their right mind would subject themselves to this intentionally.

well said.

[Black92LX]

I would love to know where these people are getting their checks from... Because the help my son receives through ARC the vouchers are made out to his day/summer camp and I CANNOT "cash them and do what I like"

The Federal Government Social Security Disability Checks.
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10029.html


Remember you folks are hard working Americans. You are not eligible for the amounts of benefits that those who do not work are.
You need to get on all the assistance programs to get the bigger checks.
You can start with HUD that is where the majority of my dealings start with.

Those that put in the least to the system receive the most benefits.
Again you are proving his point. THOSE THAT TRULY DESERVE THE HELP (like yourself and cin_mustang) ARE NOT GETTING IT BECAUSE IT IS BEING SUCKED AWAY BY THOSE THAT ABUSE THE SYSTEM!!!!
No one is saying Autism is not a real disorder and people do not deserve help. There is absolutely no denying that.

But even if you were to apply for SSI for your child I am willing to bet that you would be denied. Why? Because I bet you are unwilling to lie on the application. SSI is actually quite difficult to get approved for, that is unless you lie.

It is a very broken system.


meant what he said and NOW is trying to cover his ass so he doesn't get fired.
He is not worried about getting fired. That has already happened to him once and he only became larger.

[cin_mustang]

I get what you are saying but this ass munch said that 99% of autism cases are a farse. That might as well include cobra joe and myself. His point could've been made with different verbage. Attack the government system and not families who are dealing with this. We know that our kids have autism and theres no escaping it. Those who are playing the system know the truth in their cases. Blame the government not the families is my compliant. When you blame the families, those of us who are going through this, it groups us with those using the system. That in itself is a huge insult to me. Trust me I know my kid can act like a brat and I often wonder if theres something else I could do. People like that so called dr. make me question myself even more than I did and I still don't have answers. What good would come of this? It's not like this dr's rant will change anything as far as the misuse of the system it just makes people like me feel like more of a shitty parent than I already do.

[Waffles]

Cindy, please parton Hardcore. He is too busy, correcting other peoples spelling, to notice you are a female.

:lol: How am I supposed to know which person in the pic it was? But yeah, pardon Hardcore... I apologize for calling you "sir" Cindy.

[Waffles]

I listened to his excuse of an explanation, but it still boils down to he opened his ass, I mean mouth before he thought about what he was saying without having all the facts and by NO means a expert. It's cut and dry. He said what he said, meant what he said and NOW is trying to cover his ass so he doesn't get fired. If he would have said that in front of me he would still be trying to pick his sorry arrogant ass up out of the gutter. He flat out said 99%, that's his own words, just pulling a number out of the air or not does not justify what he said. If your gonna talk about fraud talk about it don't say "oh Autism parents are 99% con artist." Fuck him and fuck whoever agrees with him. Like I have said I've spent enough in the 7 years my son has been on this earth to do some serious shit to both my 89 and 06. So where is this money? Must be like the proverbial unicorn... Doesn't exist.


Joe, have you ever listened to Savage before? I'm curious. Personally, I don't enjoy listening to him. All you really have to do is look at what intent might have been. Savage has a long history of blasting abuses of govenment, of assistance, of power, etc. In the context of his show, this is exactly what he's attacking when referring to autism in this situation. He's not attacking those who are truly afflicted with it. How much sense would that make? None.

[Black92LX]

I get what you are saying but this ass munch said that 99% of autism cases are a farse. That might as well include cobra joe and myself. His point could've been made with different verbage. Attack the government system and not families who are dealing with this. We know that our kids have autism and theres no escaping it. Those who are playing the system know the truth in their cases. Blame the government not the families is my compliant. When you blame the families, those of us who are going through this, it groups us with those using the system. That in itself is a huge insult to me. Trust me I know my kid can act like a brat and I often wonder if theres something else I could do. People like that so called dr. make me question myself even more than I did and I still don't have answers. What good would come of this? It's not like this dr's rant will change anything as far as the misuse of the system it just makes people like me feel like more of a shitty parent than I already do.

Maybe I missed it but where in his comments did he insult the families of the children with Autism?? All his comments were pointed at those abusing the system.

Did anyone happen to listen to Savages program this evening?? Very good program with many many experts discussing the topic.

While we are on the topic if there are any runners in the house that want to partake in helping some local Autism (non-profits) coming up in September is a good one.
http://www.4bridges4kids.org/
I'll be there Saturday for sure not sure if I will be able to stick around for the festivities Sunday or not.

[mach_u]

Joe, have you ever listened to Savage before? I'm curious. Personally, I don't enjoy listening to him. All you really have to do is look at what intent might have been. Savage has a long history of blasting abuses of govenment, of assistance, of power, etc. In the context of his show, this is exactly what he's attacking when referring to autism in this situation. He's not attacking those who are truly afflicted with it. How much sense would that make? None.
I don't want to get involved in the whole mess but I get the feeling Joe & Cindy have not listened to Michael Savage much. I listened to him a couple of days ago and those remarks were COMPLETELY taken out of context. I honestly struggle to think that anybody that actually listened to what he said would come away thinking he was blasting autism or autistic individuals. In fact his very point was that there are low rent parents out there attempting to scam the system whereby taking away from those parents that have autistic kids, that truely need the help. I would suggest trying to track down a podcast or something of the show and listening to the entire segment, to allow a completely informed perspective on the situation. ;)

[cin_mustang]

In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.

This was a direct quote from him. That's all I'm going to say. He's saying very obviously to me that there is a lack of parenting. Out of context or not, that's a frickin insult to the parents of autistic children. Defend him all you want but if it was directly pertaining to someone in your family, your child, you'd be pissed to!

[Black92LX]

This was a direct quote from him. That's all I'm going to say. He's saying very obviously to me that there is a lack of parenting. Out of context or not, that's a frickin insult to the parents of autistic children. Defend him all you want but if it was directly pertaining to someone in your family, your child, you'd be pissed to!

But he is not talking about you or any parent with a truly autistic child. He is talking about those children that do not truly have Autism.

99 does not = 100

[cobrajoe]

99 does not = 100

Hey your right!!!! 99% of what he said was bullshit!!!!!! So like I've said Fuck him and whoever wants to make excuses for his sorry pathetic ass!

The preceding comment may be taken OUT OF CONTEXT... A explanation on the true meaning of the comment will be made at a later date
:rolleyes:

[cobrajoe]

People are quick to bust Cindy and my balls over our "over reaction" to some very stupid comments. So I figured I would post this up hoping those that are on here will listen and see how things can be for us sometimes, EVEN around people on this site it's happened.

http://www.cvillepodcast.com/2008/07/24/coy-barefoot-autism-remarks/

[mustang8998]

Joe, nobody is out to bust your balls. (Cindy, you too, even though you.......... never mind, you get the point.) I think everyone, who has taken a position you take as adversarial, is really in your court. It's all about people, who abuse the system (which certainly does not include you, or Cindy). Think about how much more help you could get, if it weren't for the losers out there, abusing the system.

As to your link, Joe...... That is one "talk show host", without a clue. He may have a good point, but he also put a target on his own back. He cannot possibly believe, that it is a good idea, to censure talk radio. I'm sure he is passionate, about the remarks of Savage, as are you. But, we need to agree, that over diagnosis of behavioral problems, is getting way out of hand.

Read what the media company has to say, about this issue.

http://www.savageonautism.com/

I certainly feel for you, so don't get upset with me. I'm only trying to convey the thoughts, that others in here, have been trying to.

I'll put my flame suit on, just incase.

[cobrajoe]

Joe, nobody is out to bust your balls. (Cindy, you too, even though you.......... never mind, you get the point.) I think everyone, who has taken a position you take as adversarial, is really in your court. It's all about people, who abuse the system (which certainly does not include you, or Cindy). Think about how much more help you could get, if it weren't for the losers out there, abusing the system.

As to your link, Joe...... That is one "talk show host", without a clue. He may have a good point, but he also put a target on his own back. He cannot possibly believe, that it is a good idea, to censure talk radio. I'm sure he is passionate, about the remarks of Savage, as are you. But, we need to agree, that over diagnosis of behavioral problems, is getting way out of hand.

Read what the media company has to say, about this issue.

http://www.savageonautism.com/

I certainly feel for you, so don't get upset with me. I'm only trying to convey the thoughts, that others in here, have been trying to.

I'll put my flame suit on, just incase.

I'm not mad at anyone on here, so no need for flame suit!:lol:

Now as far as the link and the host. Listen to it all. He has a son with Autism. I have been in the same situation he talked about, being somewhere, in my cases usually a restaurant, and having the same feeling of people looking at you like your a terrible parent, having to leave sometimes not even getting to eat a dinner you payed for. Looking at your son like they are a hell child and your don't discipline them enough. It goes on and on. I have had people tell me to my face when he has been throwing a fit, "well he just needs a good spanking!" Now how the hell would that make you feel. There have been people on this very site that have treated me this way and taken things and twisted them all around to make me look bad. I have lost friends due to this. Dealing with this is a 24/7/365.

[Waffles]

It's a simple matter of exagerating the 99%. Haven't you ever said "99% of" something, or how about "a bazillion dollars" to make a point? The thing is, 99% is no believable. It's an unrealistic number to make it obvious it's an exageration. What about, "older than dirt" or "big as a house"? I say, "99% of.." all the time, never to be taken litterally.

[Black92LX]

It's a simple matter of exagerating the 99%. Haven't you ever said "99% of" something, or how about "a bazillion dollars" to make a point? The thing is, 99% is no believable. It's an unrealistic number to make it obvious it's an exageration. What about, "older than dirt" or "big as a house"? I say, "99% of.." all the time, never to be taken litterally.

Though 99% may be closer to the correct percentage than the other spectrum of the ball game.

In the mid 80's early 90's the statistics stated 1 in approx 1,000 kids had Autism. Today the number is 1 in approx. 150 children.

Sorry but that is a HUGE uprising. With no explanation. Many people blamed the rise on the mercury that was used in vaccinations (which is actually very possible and the most likely candidate for an increase) But the fact of the matter is mercury was removed from vaccines a few years ago yet the rise is still there if not greater than it was.

There are too many variable currently and as doctor Savage was trying too point out too much of the money that should be going to those in need and further development is going to those that simply have a behavioral problem and not the children and families who are truly suffering for the disorder.

[Waffles]

The mercury came from a preservative (anticeptic and antifungal) called thiomersal. It was used primarily in DPT vaccines to prevent staph infections. It contains 49% mercury. I wrote a paper on it for college back in the mid 90s.

Athsma went on the rise directly after the DPT vacinations, which was attributed toward the pertussis portion of that vaccine. To answer the concern, they now use DTaP which contains an acellular pertussis strain. There are many other illnesses and reactions that have been linked to vaccines in the past. The VAERS is responsible for tracking them.

It would not surprise me at all if thiomersal was responsible in some part for autism. However, thiomersal was first used in the late 20's and early 30's and removed from childhood vaccines in 2001. So, the dates of the increase of autism diagnoses certainly doesn't mesh with the that timeline.

This is the thing that bewilders me with this entire thread. You'd think that the parents who actually have autistic children would be absolutely infuriated with the fraudulent cases. They are actually suffering the difficulties and financial burders that these other cases are exploiting for their own personal benefit. I'd think the parents who actually go through this would be rallying behind Savage's attack on the fraudulent cases.

[cobrajoe]

Though 99% may be closer to the correct percentage than the other spectrum of the ball game.

In the mid 80's early 90's the statistics stated 1 in approx 1,000 kids had Autism. Today the number is 1 in approx. 150 children.

Sorry but that is a HUGE uprising. With no explanation. Many people blamed the rise on the mercury that was used in vaccinations (which is actually very possible and the most likely candidate for an increase) But the fact of the matter is mercury was removed from vaccines a few years ago yet the rise is still there if not greater than it was.

There are too many variable currently and as doctor Savage was trying too point out too much of the money that should be going to those in need and further development is going to those that simply have a behavioral problem and not the children and families who are truly suffering for the disorder.

Yeah and in the early 80's people where running 486 chip sets and windows 3.1, It's called technology and the ability to more accurately diagnose the problem.

Also thimiserol is STILL in vaccines in trace amounts. That's not the only cause but one of the contributing. Just like computers the technology and research is on going.

[Waffles]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5LWU/is_12_10/ai_n25080652

A study of the association between thiomersal and autism. I usually do some fact checking first, but it's at least interesting.


Yeah and in the early 80's people where running 486 chip sets and windows 3.1, It's called technology and the ability to more accurately diagnose the problem.

That's certainly one explanation. Another, equally or more viable explanation would be awareness of autism and people's ability to exploit it.




Also thimiserol is STILL in vaccines in trace amounts. That's not the only cause but one of the contributing. Just like computers the technology and research is on going.

I've not read anywhere that it's still in use at all. It was pulled by the FDA in 1999 and completed by 2001. If it's still there in trace amounts somehow, that still should decrease the occurance of autism if that's a cause, and that cause has been nearly eliminated.

I still don't understand why, if you are not a parent who is engaged in defrauding the government for funds and faking your child's condition, you take offense to someone attacking those who do.

[mustang8998]

I'm not mad at anyone on here, so no need for flame suit!:lol:

Now as far as the link and the host. Listen to it all. He has a son with Autism. I have been in the same situation he talked about, being somewhere, in my cases usually a restaurant, and having the same feeling of people looking at you like your a terrible parent, having to leave sometimes not even getting to eat a dinner you payed for. Looking at your son like they are a hell child and your don't discipline them enough. It goes on and on. I have had people tell me to my face when he has been throwing a fit, "well he just needs a good spanking!" Now how the hell would that make you feel. There have been people on this very site that have treated me this way and taken things and twisted them all around to make me look bad. I have lost friends due to this. Dealing with this is a 24/7/365.

Joe, my point about "no clue", was aimed at his attack on Savage. It could haunt him one day, if he says something controversial. I did listen to the whole thing and it is more than obvious, that he is passionate. He definately has a clue, about autism.

[Waffles]

Ugh... just had a conversation tonight that made me think of this thread. This chic I used to date has an autistic child named Jake. She's always broke, doesn't work, etc. Today I talk to her and she's at the spa getting a "head to toe" as she called it. She really needed the pampering. Even got her cooter waxed.

So I'm all like, so how in the world are you affording all this? Well... she just got a government grant for $5000 to help pay for Jake's shit. She's only using a little bit, after all... she deserves it.

Ugh....