official "dirty dozen" discussion thread

[Maximus]

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Did Paul post under Craigs name?:lol: :lol:

[Metcalf Racing]

The only truth that hurts is the fact you will never have a shot of bieng on the list!!!When I had my last web site which "Vinny was a member of" I had vbulliten and stanbangerz was a free site. Did you know that?? After I shut mine down Vinny bought a good site with vbulliten. So did he copy me?? Me and Vinny talked about our list before it ever happened

[Metcalf Racing]

Did Paul post under Craigs name?:lol: :lol:He wishes

[ibstrokin]

"Look Bitch", I'm really diggin the new rules/outlook for the dozen. Espescially the part about only the top 24 have any valued input. Good job Vinny

[Maximus]

1) Recent times ONLY! Not something you ran last year or before.
2) Car must be in current running condition. You break, you're off the list until you're back running, and then you have to back up your previous best.
3) Should have current registration/tags/insurance.
4) Must be a Ford Mustang (or Mercury Capri)
5) Current owner of car must make the pass with indicated time.
6) Must be a current active member of StangBangerz.com.
7) Must attend at least one of the Cruise ins, at least one of the Dozen Shoot outs and possibly another Running of the Ponys.

Thats MY opinion:)

[Metcalf Racing]

1) Recent times ONLY! Not something you ran last year or before.
2) Car must be in current running condition. You break, you're off the list until you're back running, and then you have to back up your previous best.
3) Should have current registration/tags/insurance.
4) Must be a Ford Mustang (or Mercury Capri)
5) Current owner of car must make the pass with indicated time.
6) Must be a current active member of StangBangerz.com.
7) Must attend at least one of the Cruise ins, at least one of the Dozen Shoot outs and possibly another Running of the Ponys.

Thats MY opinion:)

Why is #3 a "should" and not a "must"

[YouGotJunk]

1) Recent times ONLY! Not something you ran last year or before.
2) Car must be in current running condition. You break, you're off the list until you're back running, and then you have to back up your previous best.
3) Should have current registration/tags/insurance.
4) Must be a Ford Mustang (or Mercury Capri)
5) Current owner of car must make the pass with indicated time.
6) Must be a current active member of StangBangerz.com.
7) Must attend at least one of the Cruise ins, at least one of the Dozen Shoot outs and possibly another Running of the Ponys.

Thats MY opinion:)

LOOK BITCH!!!! What the Hell!!!!!

[Timido]

That is just the wording. I was asked to see my Registration and Proof of Insurance this year. They also looked at my Vin Number to make sure it was the same on the registration. I am sure other people were asked to show their Insurance and Registration.

[Metcalf Racing]

Who made you do that???

[orangedemon331]

1) Recent times ONLY! Not something you ran last year or before.
2) Car must be in current running condition. You break, you're off the list until you're back running, and then you have to back up your previous best.
3) Should have current registration/tags/insurance.
4) Must be a Ford Mustang (or Mercury Capri)
5) Current owner of car must make the pass with indicated time.
6) Must be a current active member of StangBangerz.com.
7) Must attend at least one of the Cruise ins, at least one of the Dozen Shoot outs and possibly another Running of the Ponys.

Thats MY opinion:)

This is all cool with me, and there will be another Running of the Ponys if your up to it!!:D

[Timido]

Vinny did. I dont think he was picking on me. I think he wanted the whole thing to be fair. Before that point I could have just taken the tag off my Daily driver and put it on the car. It is all for fun but people are going to cry. If I didnt drive my car to the cruise in this year or last year I wouldnt have put my numbers up.

I have an Idea for a Dirty Dozen style shootout that I might try to organize for next year. I am still trying to think about some details.

[Maximus]

I have an Idea for a Dirty Dozen style shootout that I might try to organize for next year. I am still trying to think about some details.

Need any help?

[Timido]

I am sure I will need some help. I was thinking along the lines of maybe The Dirty Dozen Rules with a Cruise to the track. Then Figure out a way to have people put up or shut up.

[93hulk]

I am sure I will need some help. I was thinking along the lines of maybe The Dirty Dozen Rules with a Cruise to the track. Then Figure out a way to have people put up or shut up.


We discussed leaveing things simple. No cruises and such, but maybe meet up for a couple times for race days at some of the area tracks. From what was discussed its not really been a factor wether or not these are street cars. The biggest issue is trying to get people invloved in events and show there faces. Participation seemed to be the big topic and there were some good pionts made. We just need to keep things simple. I hope Vinny got some good ideas from Sat.

[vinny5oh]

I did get some good info from the fellas! Thanks to the cool cats that made it out, it was a good excuse to get together if nothing else. :bigthumb

I agree, I don't think street creds is an issue. And as far as the meet/cruise/track idea....uhhhh...didn't I say the same thing when we were deciding on the DD Shootout? Guys from Dayton didn't want to drive all the way down and back. Then there was the whole trailer issue. I finally said fugget, just show up and have fun and that's pretty much what happened. I would LOVE to see the dozen cruise into the track together tho. Even if it meant dropping the trailer at a remote location. ;)

What if.....................very crazy idea coming.................................hold on.......................wait for it.................almost there............................
What if people who wanted to make the dozen flipped out $50 at the beginning of the year.
That money went to a third party (read: bank)
End of the year, the top twelve split the money with the higher percentage going toward the top of the list.

Who am I kidding? That's a recipe for disaster right there. You all go to Mr Speed Shop Speed Parts Seller guy, spend LOADS of cash, he knows what you're building and builds something faster. The End. :lol:

Timido, I'm in dude. Just let me know. :)

[Maximus]

I did get some good info from the fellas! Thanks to the cool cats that made it out, it was a good excuse to get together if nothing else. :bigthumb

I agree, I don't think street creds is an issue. And as far as the meet/cruise/track idea....uhhhh...didn't I say the same thing when we were deciding on the DD Shootout? Guys from Dayton didn't want to drive all the way down and back. Then there was the whole trailer issue. I finally said fugget, just show up and have fun and that's pretty much what happened. I would LOVE to see the dozen cruise into the track together tho. Even if it meant dropping the trailer at a remote location. ;)

What if.....................very crazy idea coming.................................hold on.......................wait for it.................almost there............................
What if people who wanted to make the dozen flipped out $50 at the beginning of the year.
That money went to a third party (read: bank)
End of the year, the top twelve split the money with the higher percentage going toward the top of the list.

Who am I kidding? That's a recipe for disaster right there. You all go to Mr Speed Shop Speed Parts Seller guy, spend LOADS of cash, he knows what you're building and builds something faster. The End. :lol:

Timido, I'm in dude. Just let me know. :)


There are a couple that I cant keep up with, nor do I want to. Id gladly give up the #1 spot to one of my customers. That means Im doing my job and they are building something fast, very fast. Theres nothing wrong with setting the bar high and still leaving alot in reserve.

Cincy Speed will throw in a $100 gift card to the winner. Im sure MD will throw in something also. Hell, get Pauls to come off something for once and Dayton 5-O, Im sure he could donate something as well.
This could get big in a hurry, but Im sure there will be people bitching and whinning trying to ruin a good thing. To them I say, Have a nice day on another board:HYF:

Let the debate continue:popcorn:

[JASON408]

I have an Idea for a Dirty Dozen style shootout that I might try to organize for next year. I am still trying to think about some details.[/QUOTE]

im in just let me know what i can do !!!

[dedpedal]

Just a brainfart here, but thinking of something vinny said way back when about getting more of the little guys into the fray. Whats everyone think about a rule stating that last years top 12 not be on the next years list?
One thing that will push peoples interest away is seeing the same names year after year.It would be much easier than having a second list for those who were so close but didnt make it.

[bobtsgt]

good idea Kev. Kinda like a bracket for the high runners and a low bracket for the rest. Mabey determind what the lowest ET average is and set that as the lower bracket high. That way even if you go over you would fall into the higher bracket.

[ibstrokin]

Just a brainfart here, but thinking of something vinny said way back when about getting more of the little guys into the fray. Whats everyone think about a rule stating that last years top 12 not be on the next years list?
One thing that will push peoples interest away is seeing the same names year after year.It would be much easier than having a second list for those who were so close but didnt make it.

Let me get this straight, you want a rule that disqualifies the true 12 fastest street mustangs that earned their spot on the list,so that the next 12 cars(who didn't earn anything)can be on a list. Basically,since you cant compete, you want to change the rules to disqualify those who can. People want to see the best,this is why womens sports will never bee as popular as mens sports. Men compete at a higher level,they are the fastest,strongest and most competitive. So if there was a list that everyone knew didnt have the truly fastest of the sport,no one would care, because it's not real.

[kennebellcobra]

I think all the DD cars should have A/C, PS, PW, loaded and at least 3500lbs:tongue2: :lol: :HYF:

[vinny5oh]

Let me get this straight, you want a rule that disqualifies the true 12 fastest street mustangs that earned their spot on the list,so that the next 12 cars(who didn't earn anything)can be on a list. Basically,since you cant compete, you want to change the rules to disqualify those who can. People want to see the best,this is why womens sports will never bee as popular as mens sports. Men compete at a higher level,they are the fastest,strongest and most competitive. So if there was a list that everyone knew didnt have the truly fastest of the sport,no one would care, because it's not real.what happened to "look bitch"??? :lol:

[plated]

just start a DINKYDOZEN i've heard that one brought up a time or to ,for the slower cars

[ibstrokin]

what happened to "look bitch"??? :lol:

Damn, I new I forgot something:)

[dedpedal]

Wow, I knew that idea would piss off someone.
As for me? No the idea isnt for ME. I dont WANT a rule disqualifying last years top 12, it was a suggestion. "I" did compete last year, "I"did have a blast doing it. And next year "I" will decide if I even post my times for it.
Fun remember?

[Rick93coupe]

I think you should make it the dirty "bakers dozen", that way whoever is sitting in the unlucky # 13 spot can still feel like he did something. Otherwise, what would he have to live for? lol

[YouGotJunk]

LOOK BITCHES!!!! How about you just do away with the list...and have ONE BIG TRACK DAY (set way in advance so everyone can plan for it..and a backup date so if the weather doesn't cooperate) and invite all the stangbangerz and we all show up...The people that wanna participate throw in 20, 50, 100 or whatever everyone can agree on...we all run...and the top 12 cars split the money...It would be good for the people that wanna race and it would be a good show for all the people that just like watching..or broke there shit...or the people that dont feel there worthy! Everybody that wants to participate sees everyone elses runs so there wont be no bitching about someones elses times..we will actually see people run their shit WIDE THE FUCK OPEN and not just save it all for the last track day to make it on the list and only a select few see your runs. draw pills to see who runs it what order....then....the top 12 cars get there stickers and stuff like the last year and so on! For the people that done like my idea :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff:

And if ya plan on participating and being part of all this...we better see ya cracka asses and some of the cruise inns and get togethers and posting on the board!! ok..i'm done!

[chad393na]

I don't see anything wrong with the original concept of the dirty dozen. Participation seems to be the only real problem, and it was dealt with accordingly. It would be nice if we could have a few "shootouts" throughout the year, i'm sure everybody could make at least one.

[Metcalf Racing]

There was no problem with the first list we screwed it all up joking about it (and 89notch wanted to be a prick) For this I apologize!!Leave it alone!!!!!!

[vinny5oh]

I don't see anything wrong with the original concept of the dirty dozen. Participation seems to be the only real problem, and it was dealt with accordingly. It would be nice if we could have a few "shootouts" throughout the year, i'm sure everybody could make at least one.
best idea yet :bigthumb
DD shootout once a month?

[MFIELD]

I don't see anything wrong with the original concept of the dirty dozen. Participation seems to be the only real problem, and it was dealt with accordingly. It would be nice if we could have a few "shootouts" throughout the year, i'm sure everybody could make at least one.

I also agree, the original was fine and simple but more shoot outs would be a great reason to get together as a group. I think the cruise was a great idea to get to the track, I only ask to trailor to the meeting site because its like 40 miles from here and I would hate to pay a tow bill home from tristate. I think you should stick to some kind of cruise next year Vinny, at least for the final shootout if you have more than one. Now I must get my ass going on my new project:D

[vinny5oh]

I also agree, the original was fine and simple but more shoot outs would be a great reason to get together as a group. I think the cruise was a great idea to get to the track, I only ask to trailor to the meeting site because its like 40 miles from here and I would hate to pay a tow bill home from tristate. I think you should stick to some kind of cruise next year Vinny, at least for the final shootout if you have more than one. Now I must get my ass going on my new project:D
good stuff. I'm liking it.
So what you're saying is we could choose a date once a month to have most of the dozen (or 13 or 24) show up and make some passes in between hanging out then the last month would be where everybody, every site member, on the list (or not) could show up at a predetermined location that suits most members then rally to the track and commence to some asphalt anhilation for the grand-diggity-daddy year end blowout where we could head somewhere afterwards to discuss the outcome and enjoy some fine food and beverage? I think you're onto something fella. :bigthumb

sign me up

[Metcalf Racing]

I still down with putting up the $50..lol

[95redstang]

I highly doubt I would make the dd list..You never know redballs racing may have something brewing..Anyways people should be able to use a trailer...Tow bills are higher than shit...Hell you can always take a litle cruise around Ross.. With all the hills, twists, and turns you will find out who is streetable and who is not....Where will the shootouts take place?

[vinny5oh]

....Where will the shootouts take place?Tri-State, Edgewater, Kil-kare

[kennebellcobra]

I vote for Tri-state

[Rich]

How about a spring, summer, and fall Dirty Dozen Shootout. Each one could be held at a different track. Such as...

Spring - Edgewater
Summer - Kil-Kare
Fall - Tri-State

That way, everyone would be close to their "home" track for at least one event.

Also, to qualify for the DD, you have to make runs at TWO events and then your best run of the season is your DD time.

Simple, effective, and fair!

[MFIELD]

where we could head somewhere afterwards to discuss the outcome and enjoy some fine food and beverage? I think you're onto something fella. :bigthumb

sign me up[/QUOTE]

Im likin that idea :bigthumb

[95redstang]

Tri-State, Edgewater, Kil-kare

That's what I was thinking..Spread it out to different tracks...I live about 5-10 minutes from tristate and 15 or so from Edge..Kil-kare will take a bit longer..From what I was told that place hooks hard so I wouldn't mind going up there...

[Maximus]

That's what I was thinking..Spread it out to different tracks...I live about 5-10 minutes from tristate and 15 or so from Edge..Kil-kare will take a bit longer..From what I was told that place hooks hard so I wouldn't mind going up there...

Just get there early.:)

[95redstang]

Just get there early.:)

I've heard that as well...

[Rich]

Just get there early.:)

Kil-kare in the late summer months isn't as bad as the spring or early summer. Have your chutes ready...short shut down area!:bigthumb

[YouGotJunk]

screw Kilkare right in the eye!!! i took my car up there this past year and I actually drove the car and it sucked...i waited in line FOREVER and only got in a few runs...it sucked ass...but..u know me..if something gets organized around here...i'll be there...I've raced at tristate and edgewater....neither place is to bad...but tristate is pretty much my by far favorite...I'm with Metcalf..i got my 50 to throw in some kinda shootout..hell i really dont have that much of a chance to win..but hell....I'LL GAMBLE!!!:D :lol:

[Maximus]

screw Kilkare right in the eye!!!


:lol: :lol:

[e5shea]

Mike,now that it looks like somebody shot a few of your pistons with a 9mil handgun...which pony are you going ride a bit deeper into the Dirty Dozen for 2007?

[chad393na]

Mike,now that it looks like somebody shot a few of your pistons with a 9mil handgun...which pony are you going ride a bit deeper into the Dirty Dozen for 2007?

He did that so as to not lose that shootout race to me!:lol:

[Maximus]

And we all thought THIS Year was full of Bitching and Whinning.:eek:

Phewww! I just read all these posts looking for wisdom from Vinny. I was looking for what HE considered Broke. (since that is our biggest Hurdle)


I have been asked about that as well...."I broke 'X'. Does that mean I'm off the list?"

My definition of broke is - if you can't get in the car and drive it down the street then it's broke. There are things that may not be working properly on a car but will not be enough to keep the car from being driven.

Man that leaves ALOT to be discussed.:lol:

Anywho, I hope everyone had a GREAT CHRISTMAS, GREAT HANNUAKH, or GREAT KWANZA! And I wish everyone a GREAT NEW YEAR!!!


Stay tuned.:)

[Maximus]

good stuff. I'm liking it.
So what you're saying is we could choose a date once a month to have most of the dozen (or 13 or 24) show up and make some passes in between hanging out then the last month would be where everybody, every site member, on the list (or not) could show up at a predetermined location that suits most members then rally to the track and commence to some asphalt anhilation for the grand-diggity-daddy year end blowout where we could head somewhere afterwards to discuss the outcome and enjoy some fine food and beverage? I think you're onto something fella. :bigthumb

sign me up


Tri-State, Edgewater, Kil-kare

Woot.:rockon:

[2Kblacksleeper]

That sounds cool. Just need good notice to get off work that day.

[Maximus]

There is all kinds of good stuff in this thread.

BUMP, BITCHES!!!:flipoff:

I mean, this could be a CALLOUT to that Midnight Mafia group of guys:eek::D

[Kwik92GT]

Midnight Mafia?? :dunno:

[2Fast4You]

There is all kinds of good stuff in this thread.

BUMP, BITCHES!!!:flipoff:

I mean, this could be a CALLOUT to that Midnight Mafia group of guys:eek::D

What is that?

[bbfstanger]

its a thing of the past lol!

[Whyucryn]

It's now the Midnight Manginas.

[chad393na]

It's now the Midnight Manginas.

Damn that hurts! Yea its about dead, theres only 3 of us with running cars.:(

[Whyucryn]

Just giving you a hard time, Chad. :bigthumb

[Kwik92GT]

Damn that hurts! Yea its about dead, theres only 3 of us with running cars.:(

It's barely breathin' for sure lol, I think there should be 1 more added to the running list here soon. I know he's REAL close. :bigthumb BTW nice job on the 10.40s, you hitting the 9s next year??

[chad393na]

It's barely breathin' for sure lol, I think there should be 1 more added to the running list here soon. I know he's REAL close. :bigthumb BTW nice job on the 10.40s, you hitting the 9s next year??

Thanks! Didn't plan on it, but its heading that way. It sure is easier with a turbo!

[chad393na]

Just giving you a hard time, Chad. :bigthumb

Thats cool man, maybe it will motivate some of them!:D

[Kwik92GT]

Thanks! Didn't plan on it, but its heading that way. It sure is easier with a turbo!

Pssst ...... get an auto in that thing :lol:

[chad393na]

Pssst ...... get an auto in that thing :lol:

I really wanted to, and then I put that faceplated gforce in it:D It sure would be cool to go nines with a stick in a daily driven street car!

[Rick93coupe]

I mean, this could be a CALLOUT to that Midnight Mafia group of guys:eek::D

I don't know how Greg or Chad feels about it but I'll be driving the car down this year to play around. I'll be sure and renew my AAA membership just in case. :D

[Kwik92GT]

I don't know how Greg or Chad feels about it but I'll be driving the car down this year to play around. I'll be sure and renew my AAA membership just in case. :D

WERD!! :D :bigthumb

[Maximus]

Now who's being funny? :lol:
Just like it says in the opening post....."Don't sing it, just bring it."

And on that note.....here's a question to ponder over the winter.....
"What's the DD '07 list gonna look like?"
My guess, I'd say the first 6 spots will be nines or under. :eek:


Meeting Notes from 12/9
And as far as the meeting went, a few things were tossed around, nothing drastic. It seems like the "active member" issue is going to more or less be a judgement call although I still think some "guidelines" or some sort of breakdown should be in place so we have something to go back on. I'm not meaning 500 posts before you can place on the list. I'd rather see people hanging out at our events because to me that is being more active than sitting at a computer. Schedules can be crazy at times tho and I understand that so perhaps a minimum post count or post count per year would come in handy. All this is for is to keep it local and keep it for OUR MEMBERS. Anybody can register on a website, post a number and be gone. That's not what we're looking for. If people are going to participate in the "Dirty Dozen" they should participate in SBZ, be it events or gatherings or just posting. Once again, an issue has been brought up that shouldn't really need defined but to keep it fair, we'll define it. Definitely. :)

The rules for next year are probably not going to change. We don't want a bunch of rules to cloud up the intent of this list. The things I do expect to change (as mentioned by 91lxnos, the former 88lxnos) is we may expand the 12 to 24. The top 12 will be our DD but the next 12 will be like a big "reserve" list in case somebody breaks. Those people are going to be the ones that have a say in how the list evolves. "If you can't run fast enough to make the list, you don't need to worry about what the rules are" seemed to be the general concensus.

Street tires vs slicks - don't care. Put DOT's on to drive it on the street and slicks and skinnies on at the track. If you got 'em, use. If you don't have any, don't cry about it.

trailering cars - don't care. If I'm going to drive an hour to get to the track, you bet your ass I want my trailer there if something does break. The car should still be seen on the street. If nobody ever sees the car on the street, it shows up to the track everytime on the trailer, then it's probably not a street car. It doesn't have to be a daily driver. It doesn't have to have A/C and cruise control. It does need to have tags and insurance and be seen on the street tho. (preferably at some SBZ gatherings :D )

Ehhh, that's pretty much that.

Let me ask you all this......
If the "Dirty Dozen" is just for fun and sticker at the end of it all, why has it attracted so much attention? Why has it been debated so much? Why do some people look to making the dozen as a goal? Why did two other websites copy us? :lol:

I'm not sure myself but it's friggen cool ain't it!!!! :rockon:


Bump!!
So what does the 2016 sticker look like?:confused: